17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don’t care what Merril says.  Hurts does not have great NFL arm talent.  Wait for when he needs to make that 10 yard sideline pass.   My guess is they won’t attempt it much.   

Yes, this is what we hope.  The coach has him do what he does well most of the time.  Call plays to his skill set.  This is what we've heard about this new coaching staff and I hope it is true.

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

What round tender to Boston Scott?  Likely the only Eagle RFA to receive a tender. I like Johnston but not at a tender price.  Suspect we may lose him so Siposs is the insurance policy. Probably need to scout UDFA punter candidates.

Original round tender, if that. They could not tender him but resign him to a deal.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And I think he can thrive in the right circumstance, to a point.  But people are trying to make him out to be a complete QB and will never be that.  Game manager.  Field general.  Winner.  Sure.  

Historically famous scout and talent evaluator Merril Reese comps him to Patrick Mahomes. I’ll wait to hear what Spadaro thinks before making my conclusion. 

I'll give Hurts some credit. He is a heck of a performer. He came into as rough a situation as a rookie QB can when he took over for Carson, and did reasonably well all things considered. He's a gamer. I'll give him that.

15 hours ago, austinfan said:

The problem with Wentz is the problem you're gonna have with most "franchise" QBs. They're spoiled from 16, heavily recruited in college, then drafted high, given big money, so basically the only check on them is their own character. Even though Wentz wasn't highly recruited, in ND he was a God. And after 2017, he probably started believing his press clippings.

Now it's easy to scout arm strength and athleticism, not as easy to determine football IQ, and much harder to determine how a kid at 24 or 25 will react to success and big money. One thing you look for is competitiveness - the great players have this and it outweighs money and ego - they live to win and/or hate to lose. We're seeing that with Embiid this year, his competitiveness is now the dominant aspect of his personality - he understands what it takes to be great and strive for the brass ring.

Hurts has those intangibles, does he have the requisite talent? Wentz had the talent, but success revealed his flaws.

That's why I'm not impressed with 50 yard throws, all the QB who got at the top of the draft tend to have great physical talent, yet over half fail.

Wentz was like 3 ft tall and 170 lbs when he got to ND.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'll give Hurts some credit. He is a heck of a performer. He came into as rough a situation as a rookie QB can when he took over for Carson, and did reasonably well all things considered. He's a gamer. I'll give him that.

He's definitely a gamer. I think he's composed and I think he knows how to handle himself in difficult situations. Whether he has the talent and the arm strength to make it is another matter. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He's definitely a gamer. I think he's composed and I think he knows how to handle himself in difficult situations. Whether he has the talent and the arm strength to make it is another matter. 

Agreed. He's limited as an NFL QB.

14 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The GM isn't supposed to be a consensus builder.  He's supposed to take all the information in, and make a final decision... and then after making the decision he's supposed to support his decision, and be responsible for his decision.  He's not supposed to point the finger at the others for his decisions.  And if he's incapable of making those decisions, then he shouldn't be making them.

Wait what? The 'general' in GENERAL manager means this?  Not General like it's the military?

41 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Great, he's putting in work.  Let's have everyone start sharing videos like this so the new narrative can be Jalen Hurts is actually trying to improve while Carson complained.  I can see it now.

One thing I don't question about Hurts are his practice habits and preparation.  I'm hopeful that he can be a good quarterback for the Eagles, just sick of the narrative that will keep being pushed. 

 

Given what I saw out of Hurts last year, I would take more comfort in a narrative where he hasn't worked hard on his game.

17 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, I got that from interviews where he stated that if they had two players pretty evenly slotted that he would defer to the player the coach preferred.  I have been saying that deferring to Schwartz has been a mistake for the last two drafts because it always seemed Schwartz picked the wrong player.   

You're wasting your fingertips providing real information. You can't confuse them with facts when they've already made up their minds.

24 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'll give Hurts some credit. He is a heck of a performer. He came into as rough a situation as a rookie QB can when he took over for Carson, and did reasonably well all things considered. He's a gamer. I'll give him that.

He came in with nothing to lose. He had zero expectations. 

16 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Your nuts  , not a qb in the league who could have went to tampa and won superbowl in first year . That is why Brady is the best QB ever and it's not close , 43 years old switches teams after 20 years ,and wins it all . No other qb could have done that.

hilarious - 9 points. 

The jury is still out on Hurts. The idea that several people are already proclaiming him to be a great or even good starting QB in the NFL is a false narrative.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. Its a drop. Im not blaming Lawrence for the drop. But Theres literally 20 yards between him and any WR. There is an entire width of the field too. There is SO much space to throw that ball. And Lawrence makes it a tough grab on the back line of the end zone near the goal post. Thats completely inexcusable. 

The more I watch Lawrence, the more I think it's happy feet.  He dances, flirts with breaking, throws off balance a lot and has the hitch then giddy up in his delivery.  It's inconsistent...he's got the talent but I honestly think he's just been lazy at improving.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

The jury is still out on Hurts. The idea that several people are already proclaiming him to be a great or even good starting QB in the NFL is a false narrative.

Likewise, proclaiming he is not starting caliber because he doesn't have Carson Wentz's arm strength is also a false narrative.

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

hilarious - 9 points. 

Biggest thing brady did was teach them how to win, and he changed the culture.  Mahomes couldn't have done that ,Rodgers couldn't have.  McCoy on Brady

McCoy, the running back who played with Brady in Tampa Bay last season, told Pat McAfee that seeing how hard Brady works is eye opening.

"He’s the only player that I’ve ever been around that, when he speaks, when he talks, I believe him,” McCoy said, via MassLive.com. "He could tell me, ‘Shady, go walk on that water. You won’t drown.’ I’m going to be like, ‘OK.’ He has that type of thing about him. And the way he works. When I was younger, I wish I worked as hard as he does. We just won a Super Bowl and he’s back training, doing little things.”

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Maybe he was.  I just asked.  Seems to be a whole lot of nothing.  I just want some normalcy with this team. 

Would be nice to not have any drama during an offseason

29 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Yes, this is what we hope.  The coach has him do what he does well most of the time.  Call plays to his skill set.  This is what we've heard about this new coaching staff and I hope it is true.

Hopefully he is that type of coach

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I usually catch flack on here when I would say I believe Lawrence has regressed since his freshman year, and I would holdout evaluation on him until after the CFP this past season. He played poorly against both OSU and LSU in last year’s playoff and certainly didn’t look any better in this year’s playoff.

I would be shocked if Khan and Urban Meyer take anyone other than Lawrence at #1 — but I’m certainly not sold on him as a ‘generational QB talent’.  I frankly don’t see it 

I honestly thought I was the only one saying that... @HazletonEagle joined the wagon after breaking down WR's last year.  Then I got flamed hard and stats thrown at me all year this year.  I pointed out his flaws coming into his soph campaign.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Yea I agree.  #1 overall?  Sure, fine.  Generational...that’s a cliche that gets thrown around too often these days.

He’s this years top qb and a reasonable #1 overall pick.  Certainly a better prospect than the likes of Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Beyond that?  No need to use the G word.

He was the golden child coming out of HS...he lit it up his frosh year and completely caught fire in the CFB Playoffs.  It also helped that half the Bama D was hurt in the NC he won.

A few  players on defense I really like 

Zaven Collins 

Alim McNeill 

Hamilcar Rashed 

Ronnie Perkins 

Joe Tryon

Daviyon Nixon

Derrick Barnes 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Biggest thing brady did was teach them how to win, and he changed the culture.  Mahomes couldn't have done that ,Rodgers couldn't have.  McCoy on Brady

McCoy, the running back who played with Brady in Tampa Bay last season, told Pat McAfee that seeing how hard Brady works is eye opening.

"He’s the only player that I’ve ever been around that, when he speaks, when he talks, I believe him,” McCoy said, via MassLive.com. "He could tell me, ‘Shady, go walk on that water. You won’t drown.’ I’m going to be like, ‘OK.’ He has that type of thing about him. And the way he works. When I was younger, I wish I worked as hard as he does. We just won a Super Bowl and he’s back training, doing little things.”

Oh no doubt about it - Brady has HOF charisma +10. He's not the GOAT. But I don't believe in the GOAT. 

Still - 9 points

Can you say with certainty that if Manning had been drafted by the Patriots and Brady by the Colts that the results of both teams wouldn't have been similar? 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

People need to accept some reality with Hurts.

Basically, every single scout, draft profile, and report on Hurts has stated that his weakness is passing...refinement, accuracy, and progressions.

His arm talent is average, but adequate for a starting NFL qb.

Thats a bad combination.

The unrefined passers coming out of college are 6’4”+ with huge arm talent.  The guys with adequate arm talent are highly polished passers.

Hurts is neither.  Sure, his arm is strong enough. Sure, we’ve seen similarly crude and unrefined passers improve before.

But why are we doing this, exactly?  An average, just good enough raw arm and a poor set of passer refinement.  Why? Just why?

His arm strength is fine for a normal QB...the problem is he's a running QB, he doesn't have the arm to make the plays he wants to at the NFL level.  You have to completely brainwash the kid into thinking he's Lt Dan in order for him to be successful in the NFL.  He can not throw on the run...period.  He'll make some 'flashy throws' on scramble drills to his right, but you force him to his left and he's done.  He has average at best arm strength and that works only when you can sit and plant.  I doubt we will ever see another Brees again in any of our lifetimes.

3 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Oh no doubt about it - Brady has HOF charisma +10. He's not the GOAT. But I don't believe in the GOAT. 

Still - 9 points

Can you say with certainty that if Manning had been drafted by the Patriots and Brady by the Colts that the results of both teams wouldn't have been similar? 

Colts would have won more superbowls,  Pat's less.

31 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Agreed. He's limited as an NFL QB.

Drew Brees was limited (arm strength/height). Tom Brady is limited (mobility). Russell Wilson is limited (height). Kyler Murray is limited (height). All these guys have to have their limitations schemed around. It's called coaching, and on the player's end, it's called humility.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

He can do progressions.  It is learning to do that quickly before giving in and running.  It comes down to trusting the protection more than his legs. 

I did not see evidence of that in his 2020 games