7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Kamara went #67, here's how tough drafting really is, the guys after #43 who've had good careers, #48 Mixon, #55 Tomlinson DT, #57 Cunningham LB, #62 Simon-Schuster WR, #63 Dawkins G, #64 Moton G, #65 Ogunjobi DT, #67 Kamara RB, #69 Kupp WR. So only 2 of the 13 players taken after Jones were solid starters.

The bolded does not make sense.  You list 9 players who you say have had good careers, then say only 2 of 13 players taken after Jones were solid starters ??

Regardless, you draft a guy who is red shirted, when you could have drafted pro bowlers, JuJu or Kamara.

Eagles needed a RB, so instead of taking Kamara, Mixon, Hunt or Conner, we waste a pick on a redshirt and Wendell Smallwood is our leading rusher.

Eagles needed a WR, so instead of taking JuJu, Kupp, Godwin, Golladay, we have to bring Jordan Matthews back again and make a bad trade for Golden Tate.

I could go on and on and on, Howie sucks at drafting.

 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Every player taken or signed is a bit of a crap shoot.  I could care less if a first rounder is a contributor and a later round choice is a HOF player.  Selection level only matters with cap depletion and a fifth year possibility for a first rounder.  What I care about is production on our team.  It is important to hit on as many acquisitions as possible. Not ever player needs to be a all pro. 

But but but you want 22 all-pros and all of them on rookie contracts

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Mac Jones is quickly turning into my favorite QB in this draft.

When I hear that a WR is the most "pro ready" guy in the draft...I think that mean's he's slowish, unexplosive, runs great routes, has reliable hands, and does all the little things right.  It means less coaching up to do and less upside.  Meh.

When I hear that a QB is the most "pro ready" guy in the draft...what does that mean?  It means he's the best freaking passer in the draft.  HOF and MVP qbs don't all have mobility.  They don't all have rifles.  They are elite passers.  See the field, quick release, distribute.  They generally don't become HOF'ers and win SB's by making plays on their own.  They distribute to their great weapons.

Mac Jones is the guy who fits that profile.  He had great weapons at Alabama, sure.  What did he do with them?  He had, statistically, the best passing season of anyone in NCAA history.

Give the guy weapons, let him sit in the pocket, and watch your offense become elite.  Or, over invest in a more athletic, more celebrated guy with a cannon to run around playing highlight-reel hero ball as your offense scores an NFL average points per game.

I like Mac Jones.  Seems like a high floor and possibly a decent ceiling QB in the right system.  In fairness, I haven't seen a ton of film on him other than highlight reels and his stats sheet, so take my opinion for what it's worth. 

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

But but but you want 22 all-pros and all of them on rookie contracts

Don't be a loser.  You're not a loser.  Well, maybe you are, I don't know.

This team does not have a pro-bowler on this roster who came via the draft since 2013...7 years...don't shove that BS about how they can't all be pro-bowlers down my throat.  That's a loser's mentality, especially for a team that NEVER drafts pro-bowlers.  

They can't all be pro-bowlers, but SOME of them have to be.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Every player taken or signed is a bit of a crap shoot.  I could care less if a first rounder is a contributor and a later round choice is a HOF player.  Selection level only matters with cap depletion and a fifth year possibility for a first rounder.  What I care about is production on our team.  It is important to hit on as many acquisitions as possible. Not ever player needs to be a all pro. 

And that is the problem.  Not enough hits.

2020, your have Reagor and Hurts TBD, and a whole bunch of ???

2019, you have Sanders, Dillard TBD, JJAW is a bust, and the other 2 are not on the roster.

2018, Goedert, Sweat and Mailata are good, Maddox tbd, and Pryor sucks.

2017, if Barnett is not resigned, you are left with nothing from 8 picks.

2016, Mills and Seumalo all that is left from 8 picks

2015, none of the 6 picks are on the roster

2014, none of the 7 picks are on the roster

2014 - 2019 drafts, 12 of 39 players still on the roster.

 

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

But but but you want 22 all-pros and all of them on rookie contracts

how dare you use any sarcasm...it is gonna generate a negative response

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Don't be a loser.  You're not a loser.  Well, maybe you are, I don't know.

This team does not have a pro-bowler on this roster who came via the draft since 2013...7 years...don't shove that BS about how they can't all be pro-bowlers down my throat.  That's a loser's mentality, especially for a team that NEVER drafts pro-bowlers.  

They can't all be pro-bowlers, but SOME of them have to be.

Exactly.  They can't all be pro bowlers, but the last 7 drafts, they can definitely all not be pro bowlers, well the ones that are left.

Per the Boston Globe's Ben Volin:

"There is increasing buzz the Jets are going to roll with Sam Darnold and his $920,000 salary this year, and build up the pieces around him instead of drafting a QB. Considering how many teams are hot for the top quarterback prospects, Douglas might be able to get a haul for No. 2 to add to his collection of draft picks. For a Jets team that is rebuilding from scratch, that scenario has to be very tempting."

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not even close.  Pointing out that you are talking about people making small sample size judgements, when you made the two worst no sample judgements in the history of this message board.

 

Should I do nothing but quote your posts and talk about how 100% wrong you were over the past several months on Wentz being unhappy here and that the Eagles were going to trade him? 

Should I just reply to your posts and do nothing but that?  Or would it be better for me to throw you on ignore again and then have you be madly desperate for my attention and trying to get me to see your posts? 

Right now my dream is Ja'Marr Chase at 2 and Greg Newsome at 37. Attack the two biggest positions of weakness of need with good value and scheme fits

25 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Best reason I've seen so far to justify Jefferson being here.  Fulgham sucks and a total fluke 4 game stretch now deludes everyone into wasting a year on his 2021 failure at X WR.

That five game stretch was as good as Jefferson (1200 yard pace, 66% catch rate), then DCs adjusted to him and he couldn't adjust back. But it's also why I don't think Jefferson puts up great numbers here as a rookie - DCs would have focused their attention on him.

Now the question with Fulgham is whether the new coaching staff can coach him up, the skill is there but does he have the work ethic?

55 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Report: NFL requests $3.5 billion per year for MNF; ESPN offers $2.4 billion.

Wish the NFL would just do streams and let people buy packages. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Per the Boston Globe's Ben Volin:

"There is increasing buzz the Jets are going to roll with Sam Darnold and his $920,000 salary this year, and build up the pieces around him instead of drafting a QB. Considering how many teams are hot for the top quarterback prospects, Douglas might be able to get a haul for No. 2 to add to his collection of draft picks. For a Jets team that is rebuilding from scratch, that scenario has to be very tempting."

I'd like Nick to get his guy asap but who is the new QB going to throw to that's worth a damn? Plus the defense desperately needs help.

Getting to 2 would probably need a lot of picks that we need just to make the team average

13 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

how dare you use any sarcasm...it is gonna generate a negative response

Sorry. I will atone.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that is the problem.  Not enough hits.

2020, your have Reagor and Hurts TBD, and a whole bunch of ???

2019, you have Sanders, Dillard TBD, JJAW is a bust, and the other 2 are not on the roster.

2018, Goedert, Sweat and Mailata are good, Maddox tbd, and Pryor sucks.

2017, if Barnett is not resigned, you are left with nothing from 8 picks.

2016, Mills and Seumalo all that is left from 8 picks

2015, none of the 6 picks are on the roster

2014, none of the 7 picks are on the roster

2014 - 2019 drafts, 12 of 39 players still on the roster.

 

That's pretty normal, Vaitai is a good example, got solid value from him, but you're not going to match his FA contract.

They may end up with at least 6 starters from the last three drafts, as many as 8 or 9 (Dillard, Driscoll) and 2018-2019 was only 10 draft picks.

2014 and 2015 was primarily Chip, the reason for Gamble's firing was his interference with personnel in 2014, and Chip ran everything in 2015.

How do you judge Wentz, an overpay in hindsight, but crucial to winning a SB. And they get a 1st (hopefully) and 3rd back, while the trades to get him dumped salaries of players they wanted to get rid of (Bradford, Maxwell). So the net cost was something like a high 1st rd pick and trading back from 2nd to 3rd?

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Should I do nothing but quote your posts and talk about how 100% wrong you were over the past several months on Wentz being unhappy here and that the Eagles were going to trade him? 

Should I just reply to your posts and do nothing but that?  Or would it be better for me to throw you on ignore again and then have you be madly desperate for my attention and trying to get me to see your posts? 

I never said he wasn't unhappy, he had every right to be.  I was wrong on him being traded.  I have posted that in several places.

Me being wrong about a player traded fails in comparison to you saying the season is over, because you hate Nick Foles, and then him winning the Super Bowl.  Plus, it ties directly into the conversation.  You are getting on folks for making judgements on small sample size, and you made the worst judgement of all on no sample size.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's pretty normal, Vaitai is a good example, got solid value from him, but you're not going to match his FA contract.

They may end up with at least 6 starters from the last three drafts, as many as 8 or 9 (Dillard, Driscoll) and 2018-2019 was only 10 draft picks.

2014 and 2015 was primarily Chip, the reason for Gamble's firing was his interference with personnel in 2014, and Chip ran everything in 2015.

How do you judge Wentz, an overpay in hindsight, but crucial to winning a SB. And they get a 1st (hopefully) and 3rd back, while the trades to get him dumped salaries of players they wanted to get rid of (Bradford, Maxwell). So the net cost was something like a high 1st rd pick and trading back from 2nd to 3rd?

The mental gymnastics kill me.  On my lunch break I will show you how a team that drafts well operates.

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Per the Boston Globe's Ben Volin:

"There is increasing buzz the Jets are going to roll with Sam Darnold and his $920,000 salary this year, and build up the pieces around him instead of drafting a QB. Considering how many teams are hot for the top quarterback prospects, Douglas might be able to get a haul for No. 2 to add to his collection of draft picks. For a Jets team that is rebuilding from scratch, that scenario has to be very tempting."

He'll trade away 3 years firsts. keep him 3 years ruin him and trade him for a some monkey poop

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I never said he wasn't unhappy, he had every right to be.  I was wrong on him being traded.  I have posted that in several places.

Me being wrong about a player traded fails in comparison to you saying the season is over, because you hate Nick Foles, and then him winning the Super Bowl.  Plus, it ties directly into the conversation.  You are getting on folks for making judgements on small sample size, and you made the worst judgement of all on no sample size.

 

No you were in complete denial about his unhappiness here.  You openly attacked people such as myself for stating the obvious that he was unhappy here and was going to be traded. 

 

It was a funny completely flip for you when you were very much so on the anti-Wentz side of things back when Foles was here and now you're so into Wentz that in return you are now a full blown hater of Jalen Hurts who unlike Wentz is actually on this roster. 

 

You're just as pathetic of a person as you were years ago. You haven't changed. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No you were in complete denial about his unhappiness here.  You openly attacked people such as myself for stating the obvious that he was unhappy here and was going to be traded. 

 

It was a funny completely flip for you when you were very much so on the anti-Wentz side of things back when Foles was here and now you're so into Wentz that in return you are now a full blown hater of Jalen Hurts who unlike Wentz is actually on this roster. 

 

You're just as pathetic of a person as you were years ago. You haven't changed. 

His happiness was never part of my discussion.  Find 1 post.  My point was always that the Eagles did not want the optics of having the biggest dead cap hit in NFL history.  I was wrong ( for like the 12th time )

I was never anti Wentz, ever.  I was just a realest and had faith that Nick Foles would play well, and our season was not over.  @VaBeach_Eagle can back that up.  After you were banned, I went to war with bobbyizdum who thought the Eagles should trade Wentz and keep Foles.  Anyone in the blog can back that up.

 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No you were in complete denial about his unhappiness here.  You openly attacked people such as myself for stating the obvious that he was unhappy here and was going to be traded. 

 

It was a funny completely flip for you when you were very much so on the anti-Wentz side of things back when Foles was here and now you're so into Wentz that in return you are now a full blown hater of Jalen Hurts who unlike Wentz is actually on this roster. 

 

You're just as pathetic of a person as you were years ago. You haven't changed. 

This discourse between the two of you is hilarious. Who the cares who said what... we are all wrong and we are all right on a daily basis, its called life.

But y'all feel free to continue this debate, I need the entertainment. 

1 minute ago, QBhunter58 said:

This discourse between the two of you is hilarious. Who the cares who said what... we are all wrong and we are all right on a daily basis, its called life.

But y'all feel free to continue this debate, I need the entertainment. 

If we were all right at times on a daily basis, our drafts would have been better.

3 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

This discourse between the two of you is hilarious. Who the cares who said what... we are all wrong and we are all right on a daily basis, its called life.

But y'all feel free to continue this debate, I need the entertainment. 

Being wrong is one thing, being epically wrong lives forever.

RTK " The Eagles season ended the second Carson Wentz blew his ACL " Eagles win the Super Bowl

RTK " Ruben Randle is the second best Eagles WR 5 seconds after he signed "  I called him a camp body.  RR never again played a regular season snap.  And to top it off, more than a year later he still proclaimed he was the 2nd best Eagles WR.

With the Eagles likely not doing much in free agency with the cap situation, gonna be a long 2 months til any kind of significant activity happening.

5 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

This discourse between the two of you is hilarious. Who the cares who said what... we are all wrong and we are all right on a daily basis, its called life.

But y'all feel free to continue this debate, I need the entertainment. 

 

I'm not the one that is constantly quoting my posts when I'm not even talking to him to post this stuff. He has an obsession with me that has never gone away. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If we were all right at times on a daily basis, our drafts would have been better.

Problem is, we are more right than Howie.  I really need to finish my if the EMB most popular player was taken draft back the last 5 years.  Our squad would be stacked.