7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not moving goalposts, just your complete lack of reading comprehension. 

If Tom Brady wasn't in Tampa right now then the Bucs would have gone 7 seasons with Mike Evans without making the playoffs. But hey, he is has been good on your fantasy teams at least. 

 

So your argument for why a WR is a building block cornerstone position is because in 7 years you might be able to lure the GOAT at 43 years old to come to your team as a free agent.  Yeah that seems like a solid and reasonable plan when it comes to building your team around a WR. 

Whatever you wanna say dude.

and Tom Brady might not have a 7th Super Bowl ring if he doesn’t go down to Tampa Bay and play with Mike Evans who he wanted to play with because he knew he was a great wide receiver. I can play that what if game too.

where was that my only argument? I gave you the fact that he was a top-five wide receiver in yards and receiving touchdowns for the last five years. Somehow you don’t think that’s a corner stone player being a top five wide receiver and two of the biggest statistical categories in the NFL for the position.

Yup more snarky comments doesn’t make what you did not changing the goal posts. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I feel like that’s a bunch of BS that they’re feeding to try to play it off like they didn’t select hurts to have issues with Carson Wentz. These are the same Eagles that told us that Carson Wentz had no problems with them drafting Jalen hurts and then literally it comes out he had problems with it since the time they drafted him.  To me that screens in Eagle source try to save themselves

I dunno, in my opinion if what they are putting out there is that their true intention was using a 2nd round pick on a pure backup after Wentz was traded, that makes them look really dumb.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

This is why DAL underachieves every season; they have a culture where their top players are in it for their bank account instead of building a championship team.

Of course Dak can posture like he wants to be paid top 5 QB money, and sure it’s understandable that he feels he’s worth a huge contract from Jerry, but what does that do for the team?  He threw for 425 yards per game in the first 4 games last season — and DAL should have been 0-4.  The previous season he led the NFL in passing yards and they went 8-8.  Fixing their defense will only get them so far when every one of their core players treat their wallets like Jason Peters.

 

Cowpads last year are proof positive that ignoring the D and going offense heavy is stupid.  Being able to score over thirty points but unable to stop anyone is not a winning formula. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Whatever you wanna say dude.

and Tom Brady might not have a 7th Super Bowl ring if he doesn’t go down to Tampa Bay and play with Mike Evans who he wanted to play with because he knew he was a great wide receiver. I can play that what if game too.

where was that my only argument? I gave you the fact that he was a top-five wide receiver in yards and receiving touchdowns for the last five years. Somehow you don’t think that’s a corner stone player being a top five wide receiver and two of the biggest statistical categories in the NFL for the position.

Yup more snarky comments doesn’t make what you did not changing the goal posts. 

 

I imagine Brady would have had a good chance at a 7th ring on a number of teams last season. 

The rest of your post makes my case for me.  This isn't fantasy football.  A great WR is not a cornerstone building block player.  Mike Evans very great individual success did not translate into great team success.  That is because the WR position is a cornerstone building block position.  It's an accessory position.  It's something nice to have but it won't really provide your team the boosted level of success unless the rest of the team is built properly. 

Offensive skill position players are not building block players.  They are accessories. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I dunno, in my opinion if what they are putting out there is that their true intention was using a 2nd round pick on a pure backup after Wentz was traded, that makes them look really dumb.

It really put it squarely on Carson Wentz couldn’t handle a back up quarterback and crumbled cause of it.  It takes the focus off of them for making that selection and putting it more on Carson Wentz couldn’t handle a back up quarterback narrative that people will run with. I don’t think they drafted him to just be a back up I think they drafted him thinking he could be groomed into a starter.

But let’s not pretend the Eagles don’t put out narratives or leak stuff that they want people to go with. They told us after they draft Jalen Hurts that Carson Wentz was OK with it. That turned out to be a lie.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I imagine Brady would have had a good chance at a 7th ring on a number of teams last season. 

The rest of your post makes my case for me.  This isn't fantasy football.  A great WR is not a cornerstone building block player.  Mike Evans very great individual success did not translate into great team success.  That is because the WR position is a cornerstone building block position.  It's an accessory position.  It's something nice to have but it won't really provide your team the boosted level of success unless the rest of the team is built properly. 

Offensive skill position players are not building block players.  They are accessories. 

The only two teams willing to give him a contract last off-season work Tampa Bay and the chargers. You’re telling me he’s gonna go to the Chargers and win a Super Bowl? Possible however they had Justin Herbert who played phenomenally and still only won 7 games. 

you’re right the Atlanta Falcons totally would be the Super Bowl without Julio Jones... it’s shown when he’s been injured to be true 

 

There isn't some 100% fool proof approach to roster building. Just draft someone that can make a pro bowl for gods sake. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only two teams willing to give him a contract last off-season work Tampa Bay and the chargers. You’re telling me he’s gonna go to the Chargers and win a Super Bowl? Possible however they had Justin Herbert who played phenomenally and still only won 7 games. 

you’re right the Atlanta Falcons totally would be the Super Bowl without Julio Jones... it’s shown when he’s been injured to be true 

 

You have a link on that those were the only two teams willing to give him a contract? 

Herbert was a rookie, but yes the Chargers have a very talented roster so they could have potentially contended with Brady. 

 

What don't you understand that the Falcons were a playoff team that traded up for Julio?  They weren't a team starting from scratch building around a WR.  They were a playoff team that felt they needed a top end WR to push them over the top.  We can keep going in circles about this if you need, I get the sense you need even simple things explained to you clearly and repeatedly until you start to comprehend. 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No, you keep bending the conversation.

Should a top 10 team pick a WR. Absolutely

Is a top 10 draft team(probably more than 10 going to make the playoffs. absolutely. 

Should a complete and udder dog **** of a team draft a WR in the middle of complete rebuild top 5, probably not

 

Yet you named the Jets. 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Our offensive line is old and banged up.  If a premiere offensive lineman is there at 6 that would be a much wiser pick. 

 

Agreed.  If Sewell slips to 6, you run to the podium.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It really put it squarely on Carson Wentz couldn’t handle a back up quarterback and crumbled cause of it.  It takes the focus off of them for making that selection and putting it more on Carson Wentz couldn’t handle a back up quarterback narrative that people will run with. I don’t think they drafted him to just be a back up I think they drafted him thinking he could be groomed into a starter

I don’t think Hurts had anything to do with Wentz’s struggles last season or his stance wanting to be traded.  It’s not like Hurts played any better than Wentz when he got his chance.

If Wentz "crumbled” it was because Jackson and Jeffery took another season off, Ertz quit giving a damn and went through the motions, The OL was just Jason Kelce and backups, Doug insisted on abandoning the run game, inserted Jeffery into the lineup at the expense of Fulgham, the backfield is an always dinged up Sanders and scrubs, and the defense is getting old (Graham, Cox, McLeod)

Through all of it — Wentz was the player taking all the abuse from media and fans.  He held it together in 2019 with duct tape and binder twine, and it all fell apart in 2020.

The biggest reason Wentz isn’t here anymore is he doesn’t trust that Howie/Doug had any plan going forward.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think with the 7 playoff spots. Joe Douglas's 2020 draft. the picks they have in 2021 and a weak schedule. Yes, I think the Jets will be fighting for a playoff spot. 

 

If Joe Douglas 2020 draft resulted in 2 wins in 2020 why would that draft along with the 2021 draft catipult them to the playoffs? 

He could have a great draft but players take time to develop. Jets were in serious discussion for going winless for the entire season even late in the season last year.  That team isn't flipping like a switch to a wild card team this season. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You have a link on that those were the only two teams willing to give him a contract? 

Herbert was a rookie, but yes the Chargers have a very talented roster so they could have potentially contended with Brady. 

 

What don't you understand that the Falcons were a playoff team that traded up for Julio?  They weren't a team starting from scratch building around a WR.  They were a playoff team that felt they needed a top end WR to push them over the top.  We can keep going in circles about this if you need, I get the sense you need even simple things explained to you clearly and repeatedly until you start to comprehend. 

I get the sense you change the goalpost as soon as you realize you were caught in a bad argument. Where people multiple people proved you wrong. So there’s that. But keep on with the snarky comments like you’re proving a point. I’m sure you’re probably gonna get banned in probably a month because of the way that you act towards people so have at it

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is that your sole purpose for drafting?  Getting pro bowlers or building a foundation for the future?

I want an impact blue chip player that's under 25 years old. I'm not going to reach on Rousseau just because he's a DE which has more positional value than other positions that potentially have impact players. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Agreed.  If Sewell slips to 6, you run to the podium.

 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think Hurts had anything to do with Wentz’s struggles last season or his stance wanting to be traded.  It’s not like Hurts played any better than Wentz when he got his chance.

If Wentz "crumbled” it was because Jackson and Jeffery took another season off, Ertz quit giving a damn and went through the motions, The OL was just Jason Kelce and backups, Doug insisted on abandoning the run game, inserted Jeffery into the lineup at the expense of Fulgham, the backfield is an always dinged up Sanders and scrubs, and the defense is getting old (Graham, Cox, McLeod)

Through all of it — Wentz was the player taking all the abuse from media and fans.  He held it together in 2019 with duct tape and binder twine, and it all fell apart in 2020.

The biggest reason Wentz isn’t here anymore is he doesn’t trust that Howie/Doug had any plan going forward.

Don’t disagree with your last sentence. And I don’t disagree with what you’re saying the last two paragraphs prior 

However the narrative if they say we only draft a Jalen hurts to be a back up and look what happened to Carson Wentz when we did that is the narrative the Eagles want to use to help themselves look better. Does that mean that’s the truth? No. But if I’m the Eagles PR department and I don’t want to get as much crap for taking Jalen hurts and how we got here (trading wentz)that’s a good way to deflect off of them. And I disagree that selecting Jalen Hurts didn’t start the ball for this whole situation. Albert breer went into details about how that selection started this whole process rolling. 

Evans is the only receiver in NFL history to go over a 1,000 yards  his first 7 years in the nfl .

while Brady put the Bucs over the top , he also was smart enough to choose a very talented team , he needed Bucs as much as Bucs needed him

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Was just coming to post this. Wow

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I want an impact blue chip player that's under 25 years old

I would prefer under 23.  We are 3 years away from being very good, assuming we move in the right direction each year.

@justrelax

thoughts on Kendrick Green out of Illinois?

has some center versatility, seems athletic

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree with your last sentence. And I don’t disagree with what you’re saying the last two paragraphs prior 

However the narrative if they say we only draft a Jalen hurts to be a back up and look what happened to Carson Wentz when we did that is the narrative the Eagles want to use to help themselves look better. Does that mean that’s the truth? No. But if I’m the Eagles PR department and I don’t want to get as much crap for taking Jalen hurts that’s a good way to deflect off of them. And I disagree that selecting Jalen Hurts didn’t start the ball for this whole situation. Albert breer went into details about how that selection started this whole process rolling. 

The only problem I have with your hypothesis is Howie resisting the urge to say "see I knew I was right to take a QB in the 2nd"

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get the sense you change the goalpost as soon as you realize you were caught in a bad argument. Where people multiple people proved you wrong. So there’s that. But keep on with the snarky comments like you’re proving a point. I’m sure you’re probably gonna get banned in probably a month because of the way that you act towards people so have at it

 

If you want to be treated with respect then you need to earn it. Nothing about you is deserving of respect. 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

I would prefer under 23.  We are 3 years away from being very good, assuming we move in the right direction each year.

Hell I want 21. I didn't mean draft a guy whose 24/25, just used that number for reference since that was the qualifier for whoever wrote that story about each team and what blue chip players they have under 25 (which Eagles had none).

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

The only problem I have with your hypothesis is Howie resisting the urge to say "see I knew I was right to take a QB in the 2nd"

I don’t think howie is willing to say that at this moment in time because he doesn’t know how good Jalen hurts truly is. And with how the optics work with the organization at the current moment I don’t think anyone inside that organization can really boast about anything. However if Jalen hurts winds up being a player they envisioned then you know he’s going to boast about that at some point and so is lurie. 

11 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

 

I was thinking this fast