5 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'd love Eichel centering Farbabee and one of  Laughton/Raffl or maybe Konecny, but I would have no problem including Konecny in a trade to get Eichel.

I am not sure what you’d have to give up to get him but i feel like Tk and frost are likely just starting points. Probably gonna need to include someone like York with those two. Steep price to pay. You’d have to also unload a big contract to get it under the cap or deal ghost somewhere cause TK and ghost make up eichel’s 10 mil and the flyers don’t have the cap unless they do that. 

Justin M

 

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#Tulsa LB Zaven Collins is running the 40 yard dash in the mid 4.6's right now. That places him in the 89th percentile of all inside linebackers. Collins also recorded a 10-foot broad jump (84th percentile). He hit 23 reps on the bench press. #NFLDraft

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

When folks talk about white privilege, your experience is what you are describing.  I would also suggest that is also gender privilege.  Your belief that everyone would enjoy the same opportunities is not realistic. 

Dude get out of here, just when I want to agree with you on some things you come with that?  What about what I posted shows any sort of privilege?  The road I took is possible for anyone.

The fact that I went to college?   I went after jobs that paid more?  I worked landscaping jobs to get by. I worked gas station jobs to get by.  There wasn't an ounce of white or gender privilege.  

Please tell me what opportunities? 

12 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Great post!

We should understand the difference between history and folklore. We get a lot of the former and precious little of the latter. Crudely put, history is what the general says; folklore is what the grunts say. Alternatively, history is the story of the slaveowners and the Southern economy. Folklore is the experiences of the slaves and the sharecroppers. Or, as you say, history is told by the winners, folklore by the losers.

I don’t think you will be surprised that I took Folklore in college too.  My professor actually had a degree in it, from Indiana, IIRC.  Went toward my English minor at UH. In our senior level course, we had to gather folklore.  It was fascinating and one of the most enjoyable research assignments I ever had.  And because we had a small but diverse class, sharing our own results was such a broadening and enriching experience. Yeah, tuition was cheap and I did enjoy learning.  

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I wouldn’t disagree with any of the above, but do you build the roster first, or do you draft the QB first?  I would argue when the Eagles moved up for Wentz the roster was much better in 2016 than it is right now.

If I were Howie I would answer the phone every time my draft slot came up, and trade back for more picks wherever it makes sense.  Sure, the Eagles need a good starting QB — but I would say the right way to build a winner is put the pieces in place first.  Otherwise Zach Wilson or Justin Fields might take the same path as Sam Darnold.

There are basically 2 arguments here. The one you are proposing isn't wrong but the flaw is that by building the team up they could actually play their away out of the opportunity to draft the QB they want. But there is the rub - what QB do they want. Trevor Lawrence still won't be available to them but theoretically speaking they may not want him even if he was. 

When the Eagles drafted McNabb they ended up with the best QB in that draft. But would McNabb still have been the best QB if the Browns had taken him instead of Couch - how much of McNabb's success was tied to Andy Reid. On the other hand would the Eagles even have drafted a QB at 2 if the Browns had taken McNabb. 

I think the Eagles should absolutely not take a QB at 6 or trade up for a guy just for the sake of getting a QB now. But if they identify a guy that they believe is a franchise QB and he is obtainable for them - Lawrence is not - then they should pull the trigger. But cost is definitely a factor because every prospect has risk. Did the Chargers select Leaf because they needed a QB and he was the guy the Colts left them out of the top 2 prospects? Or did they really believe they were going to get  a franchise QB regardless of who the Colts settled on? 

The Chargers and the Eagles both had the #2 pick on merit - they didn't have to give up anything extra. Zach Wilson will probably go #2 - I'm not saying he's the guy the Eagles should draft - but for the Eagles he may be cost prohibitive. Think of it this way - if you had a working crystal ball and you knew Wilson would have a similar to better career than McNabb, would you trade up for him? If yes what cost would you be willing to pay. Now imagine a Patrick Mahomes type player - what would you be willing to give up then. Remember, only you have the crystal ball.

The fact is though no one has a crystal ball. So you have to weigh the cost with your level of certainty. If the QB the Eagles want is on the board at 6 when they pick then they should take him, unless they have high certainty that they could trade back and still get him. I will say this though - a rebuilding team with no identifiable young blue chip talent can not afford to focus on or dismiss any particular position. If a player on the board is head and shoulders better than anyone else, draft him or consider trade back options.

 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Justin M

 

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#Tulsa LB Zaven Collins is running the 40 yard dash in the mid 4.6's right now. That places him in the 89th percentile of all inside linebackers. Collins also recorded a 10-foot broad jump (84th percentile). He hit 23 reps on the bench press. #NFLDraft

If Collins falls to RD2, I'm all over that.

Just now, RLC said:

If Collins falls to RD2, I'm all over that.

And he might 

HC Dan Campbell on having so many former players on his staff: "Coming out of this COVID, I wanted to make sure we had more flexibility for roster if these coaches need to play. Not everyone is thinking that way, but I am!"

31 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I’m not a millennial, and I haven’t used a map in over 20 years , manage to get where I’m going just fine .

some things are going obsolete for a reason , time has passed them by

like thinking, for you apparently.

stop cutting and pasting wiki garbage and pretending its a thought

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

When I was a kid, the Mr. Potatohead was just pushpins that were stuck in real vegetables.  I don’t remember them as being truly gender specific.  I do remember that a weak later you had a shrunken moldy monster.

I understand the folks at the Suess organization for why the action was taken. Anyone remember the racist depictions in cartoons from that era? They aren’t canceling Dr. Seuss, they are just recognizing what was accepted, right or wrong, culturally in the past does not fit going forward so they aren’t publishing those books going forward.  

I do worry though that we lose the folklore of Uncle Remus or The Jungle Book if we don’t at times reflect that there is cultural history in the stories of yore.  ‘Tis a dual edged sword.

Doubt Huckleberry Finn is on many HS reading lists anymore.

But that just means a teaching tool to understand American history is lost, and the way Twain employed racial stereotypes to mock them.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn/

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Doubt Huckleberry Finn is on many HS reading lists anymore.

But that just means a teaching tool to understand American history is lost, and the way Twain employed racial stereotypes to mock them.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn/

Tragic but true.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

like thinking, for you apparently.

stop cutting and pasting wiki garbage and pretending its a thought

It’s not wiki and I only copied and pasted part of the articles as to not clutter the board 

just accept the fact millennials are the best educated and move on

19 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

When folks talk about white privilege, your experience is what you are describing.  I would also suggest that is also gender privilege.  Your belief that everyone would enjoy the same opportunities is not realistic. 

excuses that move the locus of control external.

want to teach people to succeed? teach them to not think they are a victim.

 

 

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Just now, Original Sin said:

It’s not wiki and I only copied and pasted part of the articles as to not clutter the board 

just accept the fact millennials are the best educated and move on

no i do not accept your opinion as fact, sorry

in FACT, i find it shallow and dimwitted. 

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

excuses that move the locus of control external.

want to teach people to succeed? teach them to not think they are a victim.

Never seen such a whiner like your pathetic ass , it’s actually quite sad

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Collins falls to RD2, I'm all over that.

i have to think a 3-4 team will still snap him up...

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Never seen such a whiner like your pathetic ass , it’s actually quite sad

well i'm far more educated than you, so best keep quiet lol

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

It’s not wiki and I only copied and pasted part of the articles as to not clutter the board 

just accept the fact millennials are the best educated and move on

This is a joke, right? You're yanking our collective chain?

The board needs a big red hard reset button, like in the oasis of "Ready Player 1” for when these discussions start.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

When I was a kid, the Mr. Potatohead was just pushpins that were stuck in real vegetables.  I don’t remember them as being truly gender specific.  I do remember that a weak later you had a shrunken moldy monster.

I understand the folks at the Suess organization for why the action was taken. Anyone remember the racist depictions in cartoons from that era? They aren’t canceling Dr. Seuss, they are just recognizing what was accepted, right or wrong, culturally in the past does not fit going forward so they aren’t publishing those books going forward.  

I do worry though that we lose the folklore of Uncle Remus or The Jungle Book if we don’t at times reflect that there is cultural history in the stories of yore.  ‘Tis a dual edged sword.

Two points I know off topic from what you’re discussing but kind of related to the topic. I thought the potato head company could have expanded their potato head company by using other types of potatoes and selling them.  like sweet potato head or red potato head. Could’ve made extra money off those. Maybe they did I just don’t remember them ever doing it. 

Second the secondary market for those six books that they stopped publishing has gone through the roof. People are selling those books anywhere from $600 to $5000.

3 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

This is a joke, right? You're yanking our collective chain?

Who has the most degrees across the board ? Yes , you’re correct millennials  .

now I don’t know how you define education , so do share .

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Dude get out of here, just when I want to agree with you on some things you come with that?  What about what I posted shows any sort of privilege?  The road I took is possible for anyone.

The fact that I went to college?   I went after jobs that paid more?  I worked landscaping jobs to get by. I worked gas station jobs to get by.  There wasn't an ounce of white or gender privilege.  

Please tell me what opportunities? 

Did you get any opportunities through your social network? Your church, your HS friends, etc.?

Studies have shown that resumes submitted by people with non-white names result in something like half the interviews as White names. So double whammy, lack of connections with people with money (who can offer opportunities, a lot of jobs are filled through referrals, which means you have to know someone in position to know about the job opening and who is willing to refer you). The jobs that are filled "off the street" have to go through the HR filter.

So the barriers are there at each level.

To me, equality is when mediocre people of any ethnicity have the same probability of success, the cream rises, and the bottom falls out, but most people are in that 80% in between.

I meet a lot of lazy white men in Texas who did fine, not through hard work, but their fraternity or college connections. The people working for them did the hard work, but got nowhere.

 

 

There's nothing wrong with Wikipedia as a research tool, I use it all the time as a starting point, go to the footnotes and explore.

If there are no footnotes, ignore the posting. But a lot are well researched.

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Who has the most degrees across the board ? Yes , you’re correct millennials  .

now I don’t know how you define education , so do share .

This is due to using college as an employment filter, even for jobs that don't require a college education. Discriminates against working class people who aren't prepared for or can't afford to go to college. For the hiring person, it's a way to reduce their workload, just dump all the applications without a college degree if there are too many.

I'm sorry, I was looking for the Philadelphia Eagles Football message board. Did it get replaced? 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Did you get any opportunities through your social network? Your church, your HS friends, etc.?

Studies have shown that resumes submitted by people with non-white names result in something like half the interviews as White names. So double whammy, lack of connections with people with money (who can offer opportunities, a lot of jobs are filled through referrals, which means you have to know someone in position to know about the job opening and who is willing to refer you). The jobs that are filled "off the street" have to go through the HR filter.

So the barriers are there at each level.

To me, equality is when mediocre people of any ethnicity have the same probability of success, the cream rises, and the bottom falls out, but most people are in that 80% in between.

I meet a lot of lazy white men in Texas who did fine, not through hard work, but their fraternity or college connections. The people working for them did the hard work, but got nowhere.

 

 

There's nothing wrong with Wikipedia as a research tool, I use it all the time as a starting point, go to the footnotes and explore.

If there are no footnotes, ignore the posting. But a lot are well researched.

Nope.  Actually my parents said go out and find a job.  I found places that were hiring, asked for applications.  I looked in the paper to see who was hiring and made phone calls asking for interviews.

I worked as a mover one summer with about 20 guys from a halfway house.  I was the only white guy.  You know how I got that job?  I drove up because I wanted a labor job to keep me active during the summer.  

Even if I did get a job through my social network that's the whole point of having one. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is due to using college as an employment filter, even for jobs that don't require a college education. Discriminates against working class people who aren't prepared for or can't afford to go to college. For the hiring person, it's a way to reduce their workload, just dump all the applications without a college degree if there are too many.

It was much more affordable years ago , cost me around 200,000 for my two daughters to attend Temple and Villanova .