3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It'll be electric when we're making back-to-back picks at 223 and 224. Can't wait.

And I can't wait for the media overreaction when one or both end up being cut in the next 1-3 years.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

They have 40 million now for 2022, but they only have 39  players under contract, and that number will be reduced by the time they get under the cap.

2023, they will have less than 100 million after the restructures, and only have 24 players under contract.  Some of those players, Graham for example, could retire, which would then add 2.4 million to his cap hit.  Once all the restructures are complete, I will post the chart on Howie's method continuing to cripple future cap years.  

There are tons of premier FA's you could sign in any year.  Problem is, we are not even in a position to sign middle to low end FA's due to the mess your hero has created.

 

Look at top teams and see how many big money FAs they have starting for them:

TB:  2018:  Jensen C 4yr/$42M Suh DT 1yr/$9.25M (resigned 1yr/$8M); 2020:  Brady, Gronkowski, Barrett 1yr/$16M

KC:  2018:  Watkins WR, 3yr/$48M, Hitchens MLB 5yr/$48M; 2019: Clark DE (cost 1st and 2nd rd picks) 5yr/$106M, Mathieu 3yr/$42M

GB:  2019:  P Smith DE, 4yr/$52M

Sea:  none

What you see are trades, often for mid-round picks with the former team picking up the bulk of the cost, a lot of SFA types, and 3rd tier FAs.

Top teams are top teams b/c they can find good talent from different sources, draft, UDFAs, SFAs, and low cost trades, and develop that talent.

 

10 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This is off topic as I was looking for more gifs making fun of Jerry Jones.  Which one of you sick Fs made this one?  

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

So we’re picking Mr Irrelevant this year? Crap. Gotta pay attention til the final pick. Sheesh. 

There are 7 rounds in the draft. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also don’t know who made this or how i found it 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

There are 7 rounds in the draft. 

I know. At the time he said that, I figured having the final compensatory pick would be the last pick in the draft. 

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yeah I never imagined that Lurie meddling was a thing until last year when some reports came out , to think it goes as far back as rhodes is shocking, after all these years of ripping snyder and jones for their embarrassing involvement with their teams turns out Lurie was right there with them.

While an owner has the right to do whatever he wants with his team seems the more successful owners let their GM do GM stuff let their coaches coach and as owners right checks for those people to do their jobs.

I mean if any of ud owned a football team I imagine most of us would be involved in football decisions to some extent and I hope I'd be able to reign it in and let the people I hired that are qualified to do what I hired them to do do that, I stead if playing Fantasy football with millions of dollars and people's lives.

Well, Lurie cut Johnson to sign Chad Lewis. Kudos.

Chad Lewis only played 2 games in 1998, Dunn was the starting TE when Johnson got cut. Lewis was cut in 1999 and got picked up by the Rams, then released mid-season and returned to the Eagles.

Johnson started 3 games in 1998, had 2 catches for 14 yards. That was the end of his career. If he wasn't injured, no one bothered to pick up the 32 year old TE.

That team went 3-13, so it made sense to cut a declining veteran to play a younger player.

Rhodes was able to motivate a veteran team to the playoffs and 10-6 records two straight seasons, then it fell apart when they tuned him and his fiery clubhouse speeches out.

There's no evidence Lurie interfered with AR, maybe he comes out of the owner's box when the HC is acting like a doofus?

Just look at all the ammo Howie has to maneuver around the bottom of the draft.  Can't wait to hear how he turned a 5th round pick in to a 6th and 3 more 7ths while being praised a genius. 

 

We are going to need all of those picks and more. Not sure if anyone else really has any trade value on this roster aside from Ertz. Hopefully he can get us another pick this year.

One of the three 6th round picks will be our starting safety at some point 

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

One of the three 6th round picks will be our starting safety at some point 

If it is Damar Hamlin I am OK with it.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's the 6th round. So would be Mr Compensatory Irrelevant. 

But that was wrong anyway. Chicago has the last comp pick in the 6th. Howie can't even get that right. 

 It's a rebuild, I expect 30 new players on the 80 man roster, at least 10 on the 53 plus the PS squad.

Notice they already cut Hester and Countess, no need for experienced depth, ideally you want lots of 1st and 2nd year players 21-24 years old who you try to coach up.

Next season, rinse and repeat.

By 2023, outside of a few "anchor" veterans, the entire team will be from the 2020-2022 drafts and waiver wire additions. Then you can buy a couple key FAs to address remaining holes.

So those 6th and 7th rd picks to me are a head start at lining up "priority" UDFAs.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

If it is Damar Hamlin I am OK with it.

Whoever tf that is 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So a Seinfeld Jameis Winston meme and a American Psycho meme with Aaron Hernandez.  Things are looking up tonight.  

It’s been 5 hours since someone talked about Kyle Pitts so that was nice 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Whoever tf that is 

Bacartys Boy

8 hours ago, RLC said:

- Extend Barnett: 7M
- Extend Graham: 7M
- Cut Goodwin: 4M
- Restructure Lane: 4M
- Restructure Hargrave: 5M
Total: 27M 

What about the Alshon and Malik post June 1 cuts 

Is there any chance Howie went for it with big contracts with foresight of cap going up major big time after these new TV deals? 

Im just thinking, teams with a boat load of cap room right now may end up next year doing dumb things just to get to the cap floor. Teams that havent won anything, suddenly in a hurry to spend a lot of money, maybe on players that arent worth it. Poor long term solutions to fix a temporary problem. Bad teams spending money for the sake of spending money rather than for the sake of getting better. Now, stuck in mediocrity even longer due to the poor choices they had to make to hit a floor when there were no better more deserving players to spend on.

 

On the other hand, Howie had a team with a chance to contend, briefly having cap trouble this year knowing he will soon have space again. But not SO much space that he has to struggle just to hit a floor. He should end up sitting comfortably, after just cutting a bunch of aging overpaid guys.

Couldnt this be planned?

No GMs plan is to go 60 million over the cap , and field a team seriously lacking talent .

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Just look at all the ammo Howie has to maneuver around the bottom of the draft.  Can't wait to hear how he turned a 5th round pick in to a 6th and 3 more 7ths while being praised a genius. 

 

A boatload of weapons coming our way 😱

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Lurie meddling goes back a while.  People think he started to get more involved after he fired Kelly because Chip was such a ****.  Remember the "get my team back" line?  .....But no.  I believe he felt like he can/should run the show after AR left.  Remember how involved in the hiring process of Chip, he was?  Remember he flew out and met with Chip to lock it in?  Like Middleton with Bryce Harper.  Mostly because he probably didn't think Howie could seal the deal himself.  What smart football person would sit in a room with Howie Roseman and sign on the dotted line?  Chip saw the money and gave it a shot.  Then Lurie probably let Howie lose and Chip saw through that little turd and that's when Howie got sent back to the broom closet.  Obviously it didn't work.  Then they interviewed and hired a guy who was under-qualified and not very sought after by other teams in Doug Pederson.  Mostly because of Doug's relationship with AR.  They tried to control Doug and quiet (limit) him at press conferences....They made him fire his OC days after he said he would retain him.  Lurie was definitely involved in the Jason Peters debacle....Alshon....which players play and which don't  from week to week....That was all dictated down to Pederson from Howie who most likely had to get Jeff to sign off on it.  Fast forward to the recent hiring process where they spoke to 10 candidates and settled on another under-qualified guy that no one else was interviewing.  And you know Lurie controlled those conversations.  Hell, look at the press conference they had when they introduced Sirianni.  Lurie spoke for like 20 mins before finally letting Siriani speak.  Can you imagine sitting through an interview with that f-ing guy?  So Lurie meddling isn't new.  It's just getting more and more obvious and he's more embolden since winning the SB.  

 

So.....why have Howie around?  Howie is still at fault....along with Lurie.  Howie for not managing upwards.....if you don't understand that, google it.  I'll cite concepts and examples some other time.  But ultimately it means you need to save your boss from sinking the ship.  Howie is not a good football man period.  That is what an NFL franchise needs.  We used to have a good money guy.....but not anymore.  At the end of the day....Lurie is the problem.  

Wow. You must have some great inside sources!

Gee, owners don't get involved with hiring star coaches (and their big contracts)?

Chip brought in Gamble to seize control from Howie, a "real football guy." Then Chip and Gamble went to SF and deep sixed that franchise in one season.

Eagles missed out on Gase and McAdoo, the "hot" hires in 2016. They wanted someone who could heal the clubhouse, they knew Pederson and he was recommended by AR.

They tried to control Pederson after he wanted to promote his unqualified "yes men" from within rather than hire a top OC candidate.

"Lurie was definitely involved in the Jason Peters debacle....Alshon....which players play and which don't  from week to week....That was all dictated down to Pederson from Howie who most likely had to get Jeff to sign off on it. "  Really, have a source? Think they overruled Stoutland on Peters? Think Doug didn't want to play Alshon?

"Fast forward to the recent hiring process where they spoke to 10 candidates and settled on another under-qualified guy that no one else was interviewing."

Who was more qualified than Sirianni? Meyer with no NFL experience? the bite your kneecaps guy?  Saley with one season as a DC? Smith with 2 years as the OC in Tenn?

As Gase and McAdoo (and a hundred other HC hires show), a HC hire is a shot in the dark, but at least Sirianni has put together a staff suitable for rebuild (i.e. coaches who have shown they can coach up players).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-best-worst-new-hires/8glmx885q8ii15cl60jtexkrm

 

37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Is there any chance Howie went for it with big contracts with foresight of cap going up major big time after these new TV deals? 

Im just thinking, teams with a boat load of cap room right now may end up next year doing dumb things just to get to the cap floor. Teams that havent won anything, suddenly in a hurry to spend a lot of money, maybe on players that arent worth it. Poor long term solutions to fix a temporary problem. Bad teams spending money for the sake of spending money rather than for the sake of getting better. Now, stuck in mediocrity even longer due to the poor choices they had to make to hit a floor when there were no better more deserving players to spend on.

 

On the other hand, Howie had a team with a chance to contend, briefly having cap trouble this year knowing he will soon have space again. But not SO much space that he has to struggle just to hit a floor. He should end up sitting comfortably, after just cutting a bunch of aging overpaid guys.

Couldnt this be planned?

I think he made a mistake in not seeing the impact COVID would have on the cap in 2021, making starting the rebuild more difficult, otherwise he probably could have dumped a couple veterans he's going to have to restructure to move cap money into 2022. But he's not going to need to sign 4 FAs in 2022, and he'll have the money available in 2023 (unless Hurts emerges as a top 10 QB, in which case the rebuild will be accelerated).

But he always planned to rebuild once the window closed, he admits he should have started in 2020. But going 4-11-1 will have the same effect, and refaining from signing a bunch of FAs in 2020 means they got two comp picks.

Money is overvalued, as I showed for the top teams in 2020, only TB has spent big money on FAs, and that was all the last two years after a six year rebuild. Most teams only add maybe a big money FA once a year or once every other year. So you don't need $80M in the FA market, you'll just waste it chasing guys you shouldn't be signing.

What good teams do is resign their core players, recycle through decent but not great starters (and get those comp picks), and find hidden gems in the late rounds and off the waiver wire and low cost or one year deals.

Adding up Top 51 we are at $196,861,056

Dead money: $40,011,197

$233,872,253

Carry over estimate: $24,500,000

$209,372,253

NFL cap space: $182,500,000

So currently we are over $26,872,253

Cox, Graham, and Barnett will actually get us there with restructures and extensions. Jeffery and Jackson save 4M, Ertz will save 4,952,000. If Johnson, Brooks, and Goodwin rumors are true add another 10,500,000 roughly. Adjust 1,560,000 for top 51.  

This will give us about 18,000,000 in cap space. 

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bacartys Boy

Well if he goes to the Steelers he can buy his jersey 

55 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Is there any chance Howie went for it with big contracts with foresight of cap going up major big time after these new TV deals? 

Im just thinking, teams with a boat load of cap room right now may end up next year doing dumb things just to get to the cap floor. Teams that havent won anything, suddenly in a hurry to spend a lot of money, maybe on players that arent worth it. Poor long term solutions to fix a temporary problem. Bad teams spending money for the sake of spending money rather than for the sake of getting better. Now, stuck in mediocrity even longer due to the poor choices they had to make to hit a floor when there were no better more deserving players to spend on.

 

On the other hand, Howie had a team with a chance to contend, briefly having cap trouble this year knowing he will soon have space again. But not SO much space that he has to struggle just to hit a floor. He should end up sitting comfortably, after just cutting a bunch of aging overpaid guys.

Couldnt this be planned?

Nope

i blame you for lurie picking jjaw btw