Just now, NCiggles said:

I think Doug is resistant to getting rid of him and may have given them an ultimatum about him. 

If true, it reminds me of the Hextall-Hakstol episode, and the correct decision was to flush both of them 

21 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

So really your argument then is WR is not good value in the top 10 if Howie is picking the player. 

Also by your theory, Id rather take Oline in the 2nd-5th round since Stoutland is that good cause he can get the best out of the later picks and make them good players. Id rather take a player that is a stud in the position for example WR already and not needing our crappy coaches help. 

No.  My argument is that WR is a top of the sundae pick.  This team isn't there yet.  Is Wentz fixable?  I dunno.  Is the OL going to be better next year?  What about 2 years down the road?   Brooks and Lane back for 2021.  But, how much after that (even next year) how much can we trust that right side of the line?    Gotta replenish the stock.

And contrary to this pathetic team's history... drafting a WR that can actually play isn't that hard.  There are countless quality WRs in every draft.  No need to overdraft, just because the Eagles currently have a blind man throwing darts at the draft list of players.   Get a REAL talent evaluator in here... and get the OL filled with studs.  Wyatt Davis.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Doug is resistant to getting rid of him and may have given them an ultimatum about him. 

And if that's the case his ass should get canned like tuna.

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Lurie's mental structure isn't that stable either.  These types of decisions should have been figured out by the time the last game rolled around. 

@4for4EaglesNest

Meant to tell you. I got my second Covid vaccine about 48 hours ago. The only side effect was a sore arm like I got with the first shot or like any other flu shot. Otherwise I feel great. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don’t think Howie is ever truly in charge but is making a decision based on who is in the room. I think that’s a big part of why the decisions have been so inconsistent. 

Well I don't know if the reports are true, but supposedly the scouts told Howie Jefferson was a better prospect and we took Reagor anyway. 

So who really knows. This team is so effed

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Lurie's mental structure isn't that stable either.  These types of decisions should have been figured out by the time the last game rolled around. 

Agreed. Lurie was a great owner and started getting a little too cocky and too hands on. The warning signs were there. 

30 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Sounds to me like Doug told Lurie to go screw himself and won’t be making changes because the owner wants them made.

And honestly, he should have done this after he won the SB and let the "chips” fall where they may. 

I think there’s more to it. I also think lurie looking at the fact the eagles under Doug’s five year tenure have been mediocre or bottom half of the league on offense for the better part of 4 of his 5 year tenure. At some point the super bowl becomes more of the outlier then the norm. 
 

2016: 

points per game: 16th

run yards per game: 11th

pass yards per game: 24th

total yards per game: 22nd

2017: 

points: 3rd

run: 3rd

pass: 13th

total yards: 7th

2018:

points: 18th

run: 28th

pass: 7th

total yards: 14th

2019:

points:12th

run: 11th

pass: 11th

total yards: 14th

2020:

points: 26th

run: 9th

pass: 28th

total yards: 24th

so just once in his tenure was he top 10 in yards and points 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  My argument is that WR is a top of the sundae pick.  This team isn't there yet.  Is Wentz fixable?  I dunno.  Is the OL going to be better next year?  What about 2 years down the road?   Brooks and Lane back for 2021.  But, how much after that (even next year) how much can we trust that right side of the line?    Gotta replenish the stock.

And contrary to this pathetic team's history... drafting a WR that can actually play isn't that hard.  There are countless quality WRs in every draft.  No need to overdraft, just because the Eagles currently have a blind man throwing darts at the draft list of players.   Get a REAL talent evaluator in here... and get the OL filled with studs.  Wyatt Davis.

I think the WR position is extremely important on the field to championship level teams.

As far as where they belong in the draft and the roster building pecking order, that’s a separate debate.  A lot of elite WRs do seem to go from late round 1 to early round 3.  
 

WR, which I value far more than CB, is a bit like CB in that I’d rather have 3 very good ones than one hyper elite guy with a huge investment surrounded by crap.  
 

 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s a Howie problem. Our draft room has been dysfunctional largely because he allows it to be. 

 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Howie gets a 1st for Pederson, he should absolutely keep his job.

Because trading a coach is a normal part of the process of being an NFL GM?   And he still sucks at cap management and drafting... but we can bring in a new coach to trade in a few years.   #HCfactory

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If true, it reminds me of the Hextall-Hakstol episode, and the correct decision was to flush both of them 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s more to it. I also think lurie looking at the fact the eagles under Doug’s five year tenure have been mediocre or bottom half of the league on offense for the better part of 4 of his 5 year tenure. At some point the super bowl becomes more of the outlier then the norm. 
 

2016: 

points per game: 16th

run yards per game: 11th

pass yards per game: 24th

toto yards per game: 22nd

2017: 

points: 3rd

run: 3rd

pass: 13th

total yards: 7th

2018:

points: 18th

run: 28th

pass: 7th

total yards: 14th

2019:

points:12th

run: 11th

pass: 11th

total yards: 14th

2020:

points: 26th

run: 9th

pass: 28th

total yards: 24th

so just once in his tenure was he top 10 in yards and points 

Fair enough but this past season has me placing most of the blame on Wentz than on Doug.

That and an owner who suddenly thinks he knows how offense should be constructed/run.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s more to it. I also think lurie looking at the fact the eagles under Doug’s five year tenure have been mediocre or bottom half of the league on offense for the better part of 4 of his 5 year tenure. At some point the super bowl becomes more of the outlier then the norm. 
 

2016: 

points per game: 16th

run yards per game: 11th

pass yards per game: 24th

toto yards per game: 22nd

2017: 

points: 3rd

run: 3rd

pass: 13th

total yards: 7th

2018:

points: 18th

run: 28th

pass: 7th

total yards: 14th

2019:

points:12th

run: 11th

pass: 11th

total yards: 14th

2020:

points: 26th

run: 9th

pass: 28th

total yards: 24th

so just once in his tenure was he top 10 in yards and points 

Considering what we had at WR in 2016 and 2019, that’s a pretty good effort by Doug. 

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Fair enough but this past season has me placing most of the blame on Wentz than on Doug.

That and an owner who suddenly thinks he knows how offense should be constructed/run.

Sure.   Throwing flanker screens to Greg Ward was great play design... and genius play calling.

8 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Fair enough but this past season has me placing most of the blame on Wentz than on Doug.

That and an owner who suddenly thinks he knows how offense should be constructed/run.

Doug has been awful this year.  As bad as Wentz played.   They both went off the rails.

If Lurie fires Doug, but keeps Howie... I don't even know.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Considering what we had at WR in 2016 and 2019, that’s a pretty good effort by Doug. 

Not disagreeing. In 2019 before the end month where they played miami, giants twice, dallas and Washington they were actually in the 20s in yards and points. It helped even with a depleted roster he faced 4 of the 5 worse teams in the league. Also in 2016 the last 3 weeks and first 3 weeks of the season boosted the eagles a lot. In between those 10 games were really eh 

The way Lurie views Howie and his job responsibilities is so backwards. He sees him as the top guy who oversees everything, but isn't responsible for anything specifically. He doesn't see him as the head of personnel. He isn't the head coach. The problem with this is that Howie not only tinkers with everything, but oversteps all the time. It makes no sense. Howie's not being help accountable, even though he is the one behind the decisions this team has been making. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because trading a coach is a normal part of the process of being an NFL GM?   And he still sucks at cap management and drafting... but we can bring in a new coach to trade in a few years.   #HCfactory

One of Howie's strengths is value-shopping. Do I still want him as a GM? No, but that's a legitimate asset. 

14 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Fair enough but this past season has me placing most of the blame on Wentz than on Doug.

That and an owner who suddenly thinks he knows how offense should be constructed/run.

I think the issue goes four fold. Doug, Carson, howie and lurie are all part of the overall problem. Even with hurts the defense caught up to the eagles in the second half. It’s why even without the Washington game hurts and the offense averaged 4.3 points per second half

Just now, RLC said:

One of Howie's strengths is value-shopping. Do I still want him as a GM? No, but that's a legitimate asset. 

That seems to be his only strength.  Recently he's been shopping in the value-bin but paying premium prices... Malik Jackson, Desean Jackson, etc.   

Keep a guy like him around... but Howie needs to go.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

If Duce has a great season, then obviously he stays as HC.  

I'm OK with your plan - in theory.  I can see giving Duce a chance.

Does the rule allow you to promote from within.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

One of Howie's strengths is value-shopping. Do I still want him as a GM? No, but that's a legitimate asset. 

It might be his only strength. Are there others?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

It might be his only strength. Are there others?

He also likes pepperoni or sausage on his pizza. So pizza flexibility