55 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

#6 overall pick the past decade:

2010 — Russell Okung LT — 2X Pro Bowl in 10 seasons

2011 — Julio Jones WR — 7X Pro Bowl, 2X All Pro

2012 — Morris Claiborne CB — meh pick at best

2013 — Barkevious Mingo DE — meh pick at best

2014 — Jake Matthews OT — 1 Pro Bowl as a replacement; reliable is all

2015 — Leonard Williams DE — 1 Pro Bowl; pretty good player

2016 — Ronnie Stanley OT — 1st team All Pro in 2019; signed mega extension 

2017 — Jamal Adams S — 3X Pro Bowl, 1X All Pro, 2X 2nd team All Pro

2018 — Quenton Nelson G — 3X All Pro in 3 seasons

2019 — Daniel Jones QB — pedestrian player; will likely get GM fired soon

2020 — Justin Herbert QB — probable OROY 

 

 

The Eagles have drafted 1 player in their last 50 picks who has made a Pro Bowl (Wentz).  This pick needs to be an All Pro or Pro Bowl-level player 

 

If the current simulation mock drafts are close to "reality" they should be able to trade back 3-4 picks, still get a pro-bowl level player at 9-10 and get an additional 2nd round + mid round pick this year in return.  Much better option, imo (If they can get it done).

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I'm OK with your plan - in theory.  I can see giving Duce a chance.

Does the rule allow you to promote from within.

That new rule only applies if another NFL team hires your minority assistant coach.  The whole premise is to get teams to develop black/Hispanic coaches league-wide 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

That new rule only applies if another NFL team hires your minority assistant coach.  The whole premise is to get teams to develop black/Hispanic coaches league-wide 

So... you hire your own minority coach as HC and you get no incentive?    Such a stupid rule.

46 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Jeff: Doug, so what is your plan going forward?

Doug:  Well, I'm going to talk to Carson. I'm going to tell him that we can do this.  I'm going to ask him, if he thinks we can do this. If he says yes, then I'm going to say.  That's good. We agree. If he says we can't do this, I'm going to ask him why we can't do this. Then, once he tells me why, I'm going to listen. Then, after I listen, he and I will make the necessary corrections and do this.  That's the plan.

 

And then I’ll see if he wants to get some ice cream. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That new rule only applies if another NFL team hires your minority assistant coach.  The whole premise is to get teams to develop black/Hispanic coaches league-wide 

OK, thanks. That is why I qualified my support for e45's plan.

4 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

And then I’ll see if he wants to get some ice cream. 

as long as its homemade ice cream

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

@4for4EaglesNest

Meant to tell you. I got my second Covid vaccine about 48 hours ago. The only side effect was a sore arm like I got with the first shot or like any other flu shot. Otherwise I feel great. 

Which vaccine did you get?

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If the current simulation mock drafts are close to "reality" they should be able to trade back 3-4 picks, still get a pro-bowl level player at 9-10 and get an additional 2nd round + mid round pick this year in return.  Much better option, imo (If they can get it done).

Bro, can you imagine the ocean of tears from Giants fans of we traded back to 9. 

Jesus that'd be hilarious. 

 

 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Which vaccine did you get?

Pfizer. 

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

Bro, can you imagine the ocean of tears from Giants fans of we traded back to 9. 

Jesus that'd be hilarious. 

 

 

I'd love to do that... Not because of the Giants, but because it means more value, and I don't think pick 6 is the value spot for the BPA.   Hard part is getting a partner to trade with.

Regarding WRs in the top 10... Titans drafted a top 10 WR - Corey Davis, widely considered the best WR in that particular draft... and then two years later they drafted AJ Brown in Round 2.   Which one is the better player?  Which was the better value?  Which one would you rather have on this team right now?

Go Titans .... but that should have been called OPI on Brown 

hope lurie is watching how arthur smith is make tannehill better since leaving miami

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Regarding WRs in the top 10... Titans drafted a top 10 WR - Corey Davis, widely considered the best WR in that particular draft... and then two years later they drafted AJ Brown in Round 2.   Which one is the better player?  Which was the better value?  Which one would you rather have on this team right now?

never liked Corey Davis. Teams really need to just do better evaluating their prospects. 

30 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The way Lurie views Howie and his job responsibilities is so backwards. He sees him as the top guy who oversees everything, but isn't responsible for anything specifically. He doesn't see him as the head of personnel. He isn't the head coach. The problem with this is that Howie not only tinkers with everything, but oversteps all the time. It makes no sense. Howie's not being help accountable, even though he is the one behind the decisions this team has been making. 

It's a corporate structure, on many teams there's a constant battle between the GM and the HC, and between the scouts and the coaches.

Howie's job is to mediate between the personnel guys and the coaches. I don't think he pretends to be a scouting expert, rather, he's the mediator when there's disagreements.

To me the problem is coaching, not drafting, too many Eagles have gone to other organizations and played better the last few years, now a few due to contracts, we couldn't pay Burton with Ertz and Goedert on board, Hicks couldn't stay healthy so big money was a big risk (Malik and Wallace were very durable before we signed them), Vaitai, but most were just guys who weren't considered good enough here, Jones, Douglas, Rowe, Sullivan, Fort, Agholor. We're finding guys, we're just not coaching up and keeping enough of the right guys. And you wonder how many draft choices were due to coaches insisting a prospect was a better fit (you can't just draft talent, a great two gap DT doesn't make sense for a one gap scheme).

Which is why I wanted both Schwartz (secondary has struggled the entire time he was here) and Pederson (chaos on the offense) both gone.

Burke isn't the worst choice, at least the DL has thrived under him.

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Problem is if this is true then they are already late to the game. This decision needed to be made a week ago.

Not necessarily. Remember, Doug was hired very late in the process. Chances are they'd be poaching someone from KC again, so they will be alright, but they can't wait much longer.

The Lamar Jackson experiment is over.  He is going to be a JAG soon.

Another playoff game... another loss for Lamar Jackson coming up.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

The Lamar Jackson experiment is over.  He is going to be a JAG soon.

That was a horrible throw; that post-corner route was open, and he just floated it up.  There are high school QBs who would have made a better throw there 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If the current simulation mock drafts are close to "reality" they should be able to trade back 3-4 picks, still get a pro-bowl level player at 9-10 and get an additional 2nd round + mid round pick this year in return.  Much better option, imo (If they can get it done).

As I_P has mentioned about trading back (hopefully some team has goo-goo eyes over one of the QBs and is willing to trade up) and drafting Wyatt Davis while acquiring more picks as well, which I am in favour of that scenario.  The OL might be much better next season, but right now there are ? to answer about it.  Will Kelce come back or is this the season he finally decides to step away from the game?  Will Lane be fully fit and back to form (or close enough to it) or is this the beginning of him having nagging injuries every season and not able to be his best on the field?  Is Brooks one more major injury from having his career cut short?  And while he is again on track to return early from an Achilles injury, will he be back to his elite level form?  Herbig and Driscoll both showed promise, but to what extent?  Can Herbig continue to improve (and also get his body more into starting quality NFL shape?) and become a solid/reliable starter or is his ceiling a very competent backup?  Is Driscoll so versatile that he can play any position along the OL and be a valuable backup or can he also improve enough (his is more of a question of adding strength) to become a solid/reliable starter?  And could he be the heir to Kelce?  These are questions about the OL not yet answered and they need answering sooner than later.

It doesn't matter who the QB is next season, but it does matter that you build around whoever it is and it starts with the OL.  Then WRs and then RBs.  Davis would really help along the OL as he's a player that could start at OG.  That's what your 1st Round picks should be is a player that can contribute right away in a meaningful way.  They do need better RBs to compliment Sanders, but you can find them on Day 3.  Sure, we could upgrade our WR group, but with unanswered ?s along the OL it almost becomes a luxury pick and our personnel isn't good enough for us to use it like that.  Besides, I'm not entirely sold on either Chase or Smith that high.  Smith is basically DJax without the next level speed.  DJax was a 2nd round pick.  Chase had an amazing productive season, but also had nearly every aspect perfectly in place (QB, OC, compliment WR in JJ, even a good RB) to help with that and will be a full season without live football and another off/pre season of limited practices if the reports in the media so far are to be believed. 

So my 2 'wishes' for this off season is 1-Build an OL that will again be one of the best in the League and 2-Find on OC who will design/call plays that play to the QB's and the personnel's strengths.

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

That was a horrible throw; that post-corner route was open, and he just floated it up.  There are high school QBs who would have made a better throw there 

Yup.   Looked just as bad on the replay where his throw was 'influenced' by the blitzer... who never even TOUCHED him.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Your points are valid. There's definitely a high bust rate at WR!

If we go a little further, we do get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson in the top 6. 

So for me, you only take elite, elite WR prospects in the top 10. That's not Devonta Smith, but that is Ja'Marr Chase.

Seems like there's nor a clear consensus on who is better. Don't know if that's because both are really good

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Not sure if there's so much smoke that there's fire or the media is just constantly throwing crap to the wall to see what sticks

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I’m telling you...promote Duce to HC, collect a pair of 3rd round picks, and hire a real HC in 2022.  

Does the rule allow for hiring in house? I feel like there's got to be conditions to it so it doesn't get exploited like this

So many crossing routes, drags, horizontal stretch. We need more of that. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Another playoff game... another loss for Lamar Jackson coming up.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Regarding WRs in the top 10... Titans drafted a top 10 WR - Corey Davis, widely considered the best WR in that particular draft... and then two years later they drafted AJ Brown in Round 2.   Which one is the better player?  Which was the better value?  Which one would you rather have on this team right now?

Agree.  Its also why I'm hesitant on taking a CB high.  They still arent good but they seem to find better talent as UDFA or leftovers from other teams.