1 minute ago, downundermike said:

That is the problem.  6 was almost idiot proof, 12, not so much.

I think there are a lot of really good prospects at 12. I don’t think the top 10 is as strong as years past, but I think the players from about 8-12 are really good prospects. I like pick 12 much better than I did pick 14 in 2017. 

1 hour ago, vaeagle2 said:

TO OLD

How do we get there?

Would people rather have Slater or Horn or Waddle and a 1st or Chase?

11 minutes ago, Infam said:

I don't know what happened, but the last year turned McMullen into one of the biggest idiots out there.

Only BLG is worse.

Plenty of people have Vera-Tucker rated in that range. I want nothing to do with a PAC-12 OL regardless and that includes Sewell. Yes, it's irrational, but f*** that.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Would people rather have Slater or Horn or Waddle and a 1st or Chase?

Yes.  Even more if you replace "Slater or Horn or Waddle" with "any player worthy of the the #12 pick".

I say that because I have other CBs I prefer and wouldn't even mind a DE.  I think at #12 you'd have the pick of the DE group without really reaching.

34 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Simms has connections with Bucs and never gets anything right , he is guessing like everyone else 

 

At the very least he has been better than anyone else with his QB rankings heading into drafts with how the QBs actually turn out.  That track record along with his background of playing QB makes me think he might have a pretty good scout's eye, at least for QBs.  He has Mac Jones rated very highly and if he has a good scout's eye for QBs  then that leads me to think others within the league that also have a good scout's eye for QBs also have high views on Mac Jones.  

Sure you can try to wait it out or not trade up as high in the draft but if you have your QB targeted then all it takes one other team in the league that is also targeting that QB to take advantage of your decision to try and get him at a lower pick instead of just going up and getting him.  I'm not saying the 49ers are taking Mac Jones at #3 but if Chris Simms is reporting it then even it leads me to believe it is entirely possible.  

Some folks are thinking way too hard (or dumb) thinking the Eagles traded #6 to 12 as a precursor to trying to trade up to #2 — not gonna happen.  The whole point of a rebuild is to stockpile picks and young talent, not to roll all the dice you have on one prospect.  Another issue is it’s yet to be determined what pick the Eagles will get from IND.  You can’t offer up collateral with a maybe.

Trading for Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson — not gonna happen.  Wilson is a QB whose mobility and deep ball are his greatest assets — those skills will begin to erode sooner than with a stationary QB.  He’s also taken a beating playing every single game for the past 9 seasons.  Most importantly, he has a no-trade clause and the Eagles are NOT on the list of teams he would waive it to go.  Deshaun Watson will be on the commissioner’s exempt list for a full season if there’s any meat at all to the accusations against him — and the NFL is already investigating.  If he serves any kind of serious suspension, do you really think Lurie gives up massive draft capital and money to make a guy like that the face of the franchise?  Not a chance.

Picking #12 puts the Eagles in Surtain/Farley/Horn range.  CB makes a lot of sense with the lack of talent the Eagles have in the secondary.  There is a possibility Waddle or Smith get to 12, but I have a lot of concerns drafting Smith when he’s smaller than Pumphrey.  Also don’t want to use a first round pick on OL — someone will be sitting on the bench for a year who doesn’t need to sit on the bench for a year.

5 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Whoops.

21 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I’d like this.  I’m not "excited” per se, but this is a good solid pick.  

That's a horrible pick at 12. He's at best the third best offensive lineman in the draft.

Some hope for the Kyle pitts fan club 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think there are a lot of really good prospects at 12. I don’t think the top 10 is as strong as years past, but I think the players from about 8-12 are really good prospects. I like pick 12 much better than I did pick 14 in 2017. 

I'm guessing five QBs go in the top nine.  After the top four go, Mac Jones won't get past Detroit, Carolina, and Denver.

Chase, Pitts, and the top 2 OTs will go early as well.

I would prefer a CB, but I can envision a scenario, where because of his position, Parsons would be sitting there at #12.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some hope for the Kyle pitts fan club 

Would be cool if Pitts fell to 12, but I don't see it. Vera-Tucker inside the top 20 is a mistake IMO. Good player, but thats too high for him.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Would be cool if Pitts fell to 12, but I don't see it. Vera-Tucker inside the top 20 is a mistake IMO. Good player, but thats too high for him.

Frankly i don’t see trey Lance falling outside the top 12 tbh. I think someone would jump up to trade for him. 

however i do think atlanta could go oline. McGary was bad last year. Mack left and they currently have a hole at LG

I know Howie would never do it but I would love Parsons at 12 if he is still on the board.  He could be the absolute center piece core of our defense for a decade at MLB.  Despite the Eagles philosophy, playmaking dominant LBs are great help to teams.  We saw it with the Bucs last year.  We saw it when we had Trotter, we even saw it when we had a healthy Hicks and then Bradham filled in for him playing at a high level.  Parsons should be better than all of those guys.  12 is around the same or actually later than when great LBs like Devon White, Luke Kuechly and Brian Urlacher.   

 

For a side of the football where there is no young cornerstone talent on defense, Parsons would present the best possible chance in the draft for them to find that blue chip cornerstone player on defense.  I'd be shocked if a team like the Giants passed on him though.  

The advantage of #12 is you can get a good player in a very risky year, Chase is a "sure thing?" - except he didn't play last year, so he didn't have a chance for DCs to identify any weaknesses (or why some players don't repeat great college seasons). Other players had truncated seasons. So to me, there are no "sure things" in this draft, including Lawrence. Which is why I prefer the 2022 1st rd picks and more later round picks in this draft.

Hopefully, they'll get a 4th for Ertz, then Howie has the ammunition to move up and down, which is one of his strengths.

I have more confidence in a board put together with Sirianni and his assistants than Doug/Schwartz. Gannon was a scout for two years. And a number of coaches, not just Stoutland, have extensive experience coaching up players, so they know what they're looking for in prospects.

Howie is the kind of guy who works best when he has confidence in the draft board, and that requires an organization on the same page. The board is a dialogue between scouts and coaches, and I get the feeling it was a bit dysfunctional the last few years.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I know Howie would never do it but I would love Parsons at 12 if he is still on the board.  He could be the absolute center piece core of our defense for a decade at MLB.  Despite the Eagles philosophy, playmaking dominant LBs are great help to teams.  We saw it with the Bucs last year.  We saw it when we had Trotter, we even saw it when we had a healthy Hicks and then Bradham filled in for him playing at a high level.  Parsons should be better than all of those guys.  12 is around the same or actually later than when great LBs like Devon White, Luke Kuechly and Brian Urlacher.   

 

For a side of the football where there is no young cornerstone talent on defense, Parsons would present the best possible chance in the draft for them to find that blue chip cornerstone player on defense.  I'd be shocked if a team like the Giants passed on him though.  

Agreed completely. At 12, I think Parson’s would be the most can’t miss prospect. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some hope for the Kyle pitts fan club 

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some hope for the Kyle pitts fan club 

Worst case scenario, trade down and Horn and Surtain both go ahead of the Eagles....

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The advantage of #12 is you can get a good player in a very risky year, Chase is a "sure thing?" - except he didn't play last year, so he didn't have a chance for DCs to identify any weaknesses (or why some players don't repeat great college seasons). Other players had truncated seasons. So to me, there are no "sure things" in this draft, including Lawrence. Which is why I prefer the 2022 1st rd picks and more later round picks in this draft.

Hopefully, they'll get a 4th for Ertz, then Howie has the ammunition to move up and down, which is one of his strengths.

I have more confidence in a board put together with Sirianni and his assistants than Doug/Schwartz. Gannon was a scout for two years. And a number of coaches, not just Stoutland, have extensive experience coaching up players, so they know what they're looking for in prospects.

Howie is the kind of guy who works best when he has confidence in the draft board, and that requires an organization on the same page. The board is a dialogue between scouts and coaches, and I get the feeling it was a bit dysfunctional the last few years.

Small problem to all that is he sucks at selecting good players. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The advantage of #12 is you can get a good player in a very risky year, Chase is a "sure thing?" - except he didn't play last year, so he didn't have a chance for DCs to identify any weaknesses (or why some players don't repeat great college seasons). Other players had truncated seasons. So to me, there are no "sure things" in this draft, including Lawrence. Which is why I prefer the 2022 1st rd picks and more later round picks in this draft.

Hopefully, they'll get a 4th for Ertz, then Howie has the ammunition to move up and down, which is one of his strengths.

I have more confidence in a board put together with Sirianni and his assistants than Doug/Schwartz. Gannon was a scout for two years. And a number of coaches, not just Stoutland, have extensive experience coaching up players, so they know what they're looking for in prospects.

Howie is the kind of guy who works best when he has confidence in the draft board, and that requires an organization on the same page. The board is a dialogue between scouts and coaches, and I get the feeling it was a bit dysfunctional the last few years.

If "a bit dysfunctional" was missing on Metcalf and Jefferson, what would regular dysfunctional look like?

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie is the kind of guy who works best when he has confidence in the draft board, and that requires an organization on the same page. The board is a dialogue between scouts and coaches, and I get the feeling it was a bit dysfunctional the last few years.

Yeah, cause the best player was on the board in round 1 and 2, and the guy in charge, your idol, Howie Roseman picked someone else.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Worst case scenario, trade down and Horn and Surtain both go ahead of the Eagles....

Yeah, but then you have Parsons, Pitts and Smith sitting there. 

Just now, Swoop said:

Yeah, but then you have Parsons, Pitts and Smith sitting there. 

Also have trey Lance sitting there. Chance could trade back again with New England or Washington if they loved Lance.