43 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Wow, Jaelan Philips 4.46
Rousseau 4.74

I think Jaelan Phillips is a potential off the radar target for the team at 12.  

43 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yiiiiiiiikes. 

Did he walk? 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How do we know Avery isn’t going to give some value?

Well it's been 2 years and now he has what 2 sacks and how now changed positions.  I'm not holding my breath in the slightest for him to contribute.  I don't even think he makes the team.

What pick at 12 would just infuriate you guys? Be semi realistic. Obviously Howie isn't going to truly pick a punter at 12.

For me it would be Justin Fields.

Rousseau had 1 year to prepare for a pro-day on his home turf.

That's basically getting the answers to the test.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

What pick at 12 would just infuriate you guys? Be semi realistic. Obviously Howie isn't going to truly pick a punter at 12.

For me it would be Justin Fields.

Fields would be the most damaging long term pick.  I doubt I would be infuriated with any other pick but there are some I’d be a bit discouraged with:

Rousseau, Paye, Devonta Smith (feel somewhat better about him at 12 than 6, though), Vera-Tucker, Bateman would be a reach pick 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Rousseau had 1 year to prepare for a pro-day on his home turf.

That's basically getting the answers to the test.

all the physical tools in the world, but if he isn't willing to put in the work, he wont ever reach that high ceiling

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can't they have a "meh" response?  Sounds more like the Dolphins were hell bent on moving back up and he lucked in to that.  Show me what he does with the picks before any faith in Howie is discussed.

Two weeks of negotiation isn't "lucking" into anything.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear you but the question was did it restore your faith in Howie Roseman....not did Howie make a good trade.  

We got a 1st round pick and a 4th rounder that we lost due to trading for Avery so yes the trade is good from that standpoint.

Faith will be restored if he makes good draft picks....or he doesn't trade away a 4th for another Genard Avery type of player.

I agree with you on the faith. It's the "Dolphins were hell bent on trading up and Howie got lucky" part that I think is trash. It's seems as though you're hell bent on trashing Howie and can't bring yourself to give him credit for anything. You could have posted something like "It was a good trade but not enough to restore faith. It's great to have high picks but it's more important what a GM does with those picks." I thought Howie should have been fired too but if the Boss has been more hands on then was previously understood then maybe not. I can't blame anyone  (in private sector) for wanting to keep their job. But Howie is here for at least another year and it's not useful discussion if it's not fair - I can credit Howie in context while simultaneously stating that I need to see more.

I'm not saying this is  you but there are some who now want to take the SB away from Howie saying it was just luck - all luck. That's BS. That's useless

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Fields would be the most damaging long term pick.  I doubt I would be infuriated with any other pick but there are some I’d be a bit discouraged with:

Rousseau, Paye, Devonta Smith (feel somewhat better about him at 12 than 6, though), Vera-Tucker, Bateman would be a reach pick 

I'd pull a Sack That QB if they drafted Vera-Tucker.

I have no idea why people get so carried away with the Combine/Pro days.

Even the guys who sat out still have plenty of game film, and with today's technology, you can get estimates of how quick they react and how fast they move.

Athletic tests are just some additional information, but if you're not doing it on the field, running fast in shorts won't make you a player.

As far as height with DL, taller thinner players are going to struggle with leverage unless they're really good using their hands - go to the film.

Like every position, there are tradeoffs, shorter, squatter DL can get under the pads of OL but are less of an issue for a QB throwing over the middle.

And it depends on your scheme, Hollis Thomas was a great "fireplug" NT, but would have been lost at the "3".

Ive seen pitts falling to 12 in a couple of mocks...does anyone actually think that’s possible?

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear you but the question was did it restore your faith in Howie Roseman....not did Howie make a good trade.  

We got a 1st round pick and a 4th rounder that we lost due to trading for Avery so yes the trade is good from that standpoint.

Faith will be restored if he makes good draft picks....or he doesn't trade away a 4th for another Genard Avery type of player.

A GM who can't pick talent moving from a concentrated talent spot in the draft to a "higher value" diluted spot isn't a good move to me. If a GM knows what they are doing, sure. Howie? We are praying for the broken clock principle. 

28 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Jaelan Phillips is a potential off the radar target for the team at 12.  

Did he walk? 

Lol yeah that's pretty brutal, imean I get he's a long tall guy but dang that's a pretty poor time.

Orlovsky one of the biggest Eagles supporters on ESPN, made a compelling argument to trade for Wilson with the potential 3 first round picks next year.

2 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Ive seen pitts falling to 12 in a couple of mocks...does anyone actually think that’s possible?

Dallas or the GIants will draft him just before the Eagles. 

8 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

This is stuff is just hilarious. First people want to dump on Howie as the anti christ that has somehow corrupted the owner into allowing him full control of the team and then proceeded to run it into the ground. Then when it comes out that Lurie "may" have been more involved in the actual decisions - we get this. Because you know - we can't cut Howie a break - he's guilty of something. 

Tell me - how often do you tell your boss to "F off I'll do things my way and if you don't like it you'll just have to fire me." ?

Or if you are the boss - how long would you tolerate a subordinate telling you the above?

you're useless too

Thanks...

I am not completely following your analogies.  I'm not advocating that "howie" the "GM" take any such stance or action.  Like many, I have been beyond frustrated not just at the awful results the Eagles have had recently with personnel decisions, but with the *obvious* decisions they have missed.  With merely average decision making, maybe they don't have such a precipitous collapse from a super bowl team that had just drafted an apparent franchise quarterback.  Unfortunately, the decision making has continued to devolve.  We went from merely terrible decisions, like missing evaluations that are obvious to random people on a message board, to *insane* decisions with the drafting of Hurts, and subsequent implosion of the team. 

Previously, I directed my own criticism at Howie, believing he may have been primarily responsible.  

There has long been criticism of Howie, given how he has reportedly conducted himself in the past, along with some of his prior decisions, statements, and lack of a scouting pedigree in a traditional sense.  There are many stories about how he has interacted with coaches and players, and they are concerning to say the least.  His draft results have been very poor to awful.  His trades and FA decisions have been up and down.  

The revelations have not been that Lurie "may be more involved".... the revelations are that Lurie is actively involved and through undo influence or direct orders (difference is irrelevant) he is effectively the primary decision maker.  This has taken the focus off of Howie, for me.  What has been revealed is that Howie, as I think you are suggesting, is appealing to his boss and participating in the "collaborative" approach in a manner that is consistent for any subordinate.

With this revelation, Howie is not in effect the GM -- the owner is, and hence I'm not on here posting criticism of Howie anymore.  I'm pointing the finger at the actual GM -- the owner.

The results have been nowhere close to good enough.  I just don't see it changing unless the owner realizes that what he is doing is not working, and hires someone qualified AND empowers them to take over his role as the effective GM of the team.

I understand anyone pissed at Howie over the trade because they were in love with Chase or Pitts.  If you thought one of those guys was a franchise-changing talent, you should be pissed.

I don't.  I had a hard time accepting burning the #6 pick on a pass-catching talent that was so heavily flawed...a 170lb WR with average deep speed, a 6' possession contested catch WR, a TE transitioning (maybe?) to WR...meh, meh, and meh.  I think they'll get comparable talent at 12 as 6, so I like the extra 1st round pick.  All things being equal, I PREFER Waddle.  While Waddle may not be there at 12, six was way too early for him.  So it's a good deal.

Now, redeem is a word that should not be used.  They need to actually start bringing in good players first.

 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I have no idea why people get so carried away with the Combine/Pro days.

 

Height, weight, 40 time, and VJ are the first things you quote with players the Eagles acquire.  

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I don't want him to weigh 30 more pounds.  He's going to test like JPP.  Campbell was a lumbering 6-7.  He ran a 5.1 40.  Rousseau is more of a quick twitch guy.

I was just trying to showcase his length. 

That vertical is terrible. Leg strength concerns. Hard pass at 12

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

Thanks...

I am not completely following your analogies.  I'm not advocating that "howie" the "GM" take any such stance or action.  Like many, I have been beyond frustrated not just at the awful results the Eagles have had recently with personnel decisions, but with the *obvious* decisions they have missed.  With merely average decision making, maybe they don't have such a precipitous collapse from a super bowl team that had just drafted an apparent franchise quarterback.  Unfortunately, the decision making has continued to devolve.  We went from merely terrible decisions, like missing evaluations that are obvious to random people on a message board, to *insane* decisions with the drafting of Hurts, and subsequent implosion of the team. 

Previously, I directed my own criticism at Howie, believing he may have been primarily responsible.  

There has long been criticism of Howie, given how he has reportedly conducted himself in the past, along with some of his prior decisions, statements, and lack of a scouting pedigree in a traditional sense.  There are many stories about how he has interacted with coaches and players, and they are concerning to say the least.  His draft results have been very poor to awful.  His trades and FA decisions have been up and down.  

The revelations have not been that Lurie "may be more involved".... the revelations are that Lurie is actively involved and through undo influence or direct orders (difference is irrelevant) he is effectively the primary decision maker.  This has taken the focus off of Howie, for me.  What has been revealed is that Howie, as I think you are suggesting, is appealing to his boss and participating in the "collaborative" approach in a manner that is consistent for any subordinate.

With this revelation, Howie is not in effect the GM -- the owner is, and hence I'm not on here posting criticism of Howie anymore.  I'm pointing the finger at the actual GM -- the owner.

The results have been nowhere close to good enough.  I just don't see it changing unless the owner realizes that what he is doing is not working, and hires someone qualified AND empowers them to take over his role as the effective GM of the team.

Now that's a useful post.

25 minutes ago, Swoop said:

What pick at 12 would just infuriate you guys? Be semi realistic. Obviously Howie isn't going to truly pick a punter at 12.

For me it would be Justin Fields.

A DE

Who was it talking a bunch of crap when I suggested Mac Jones going into the top half of the first round? I also suggested that Jones would be a great fit in SF. There’s more and more rumors of him going #3 to the Niners. 
 

Oh I know who was talking crap... EMB certified tough guy/cranky old man @4for4EaglesNest

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

That vertical is terrible. Leg strength concerns. Hard pass at 12

Yea, that post was before his testing...he definitely didn't show up for today.  Pretty disappointing to say the least.  I still think he has a ton of potential but the fact is he had a full year to train for this and either he just doesn't have that strength and ability or he didn't take it serious enough, both concerning.

I've been hesitant on Rousseau this entire time up until last week and the trade was made.  I still think he's the kind of athlete that can be a dominant force in the NFL.  His game tape is legit, the testing was not.  I don't think 12 is a good spot anymore but maybe another trade down.

 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I have no idea why people get so carried away with the Combine/Pro days.

Even the guys who sat out still have plenty of game film, and with today's technology, you can get estimates of how quick they react and how fast they move.

Athletic tests are just some additional information, but if you're not doing it on the field, running fast in shorts won't make you a player.

As far as height with DL, taller thinner players are going to struggle with leverage unless they're really good using their hands - go to the film.

Like every position, there are tradeoffs, shorter, squatter DL can get under the pads of OL but are less of an issue for a QB throwing over the middle.

And it depends on your scheme, Hollis Thomas was a great "fireplug" NT, but would have been lost at the "3".

Most people don't follow draft prospects as closely as many on these boards. Work out numbers are confirmation to them what they are reading about a player. An explanation for why a player is rising or falling on draft boards. And honestly the workout numbers do have some influence with the decision makers. A better or worse than expected work out will cause a review of their scouting video and reports to ascertain why.

You realize that whomever we pick at whatever spot in the first round will be a mistake in this Blog.

There is the WR cohort.  The CB gang.  BPA or busters. 

"Why didn't they trade up and get him!"

"They couldn't have traded down and got him five picks later!"

"<insert draft expert>'s board had him a whole round later!"

There will be unhappy folks here.

3 minutes ago, GoBirds52 said:

A DE

same