9 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Tier 1A Kyle Pitts.

 In terms of athleticism this guy is just short of Megatron and TO.  That’s a pretty good WR IMO.    I also remember when half the NFL thought Justin Jefferson was just a slot receiver, he wasn’t and Pitts isn’t just TE. 

I was referring to players listed as WRs. Pitts is in his own league.

Kyle Pitts outran Kentucky’s Kelvin Joseph for a TD this year. According to Daniel Jeremiah, Joseph ran a 4.34 today. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Top 10 picks bust all the time.

- Saquon Barkley was a generational RB and went #2 overall. He's not the best RB in his draft class (Nick Chubb)
- Solomon Thomas, Leonard Fournette and Corey Davis went 3-4-5 in 2017. 
- Dante Fowler went #3 right before Cooper/Scheff/Williams...then Kevin White went #7 overall. Lots of people had Kevin White ahead of Amari Cooper.

There's a high likelihood that one of Pitts/Chase is a disappointment and a very strong likelihood 3 of the top 5 QBs are not starters in 5 years.

Hard to imagine either being a disappointment but it happens all the time. Really is a crapshoot.

16 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Is this about right?

Tier 1A: Chase

Tier 1B: Waddle, Smith,

Tier 2: Bateman

Tier 3: Marshall

Tier 4: Toney, E. Moore, R. Moore, D. Brown

See above. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

See above. 

Yeah I agree except I’m very high on Bateman and would strongly consider him over Smith.

21 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Is this about right?

Tier 1A: Chase

Tier 1B: Waddle, Smith, Bateman

Tier 2: Toney, Marshall Jr., E. Moore, R. Moore

Marshall should be up with Bateman. 

33 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Toney or Marshall Jr if you had to pick one?

Marshall. He's only 20 and he was showing signs of being as dominant like Chase.

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Top 10 picks bust all the time.

- Saquon Barkley was a generational RB and went #2 overall. He's not the best RB in his draft class (Nick Chubb)
- Solomon Thomas, Leonard Fournette and Corey Davis went 3-4-5 in 2017. 
- Dante Fowler went #3 right before Cooper/Scheff/Williams...then Kevin White went #7 overall. Lots of people had Kevin White ahead of Amari Cooper.

There's a high likelihood that one of Pitts/Chase is a disappointment and a very strong likelihood 3 of the top 5 QBs are not starters in 5 years.

Barkley was injured and didn't play majority of 2020. How is Chubb better? Their stats of 2018-2019 are pretty similar

Jon Helmkamp

 

@JonHelmkamp

 

 

WR's drafted Top-10 last decade:

2020: None

2019: None

2018: None

2017: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross 2016: None

2015: Amari Cooper, Kevin White

2014: Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans

2013: Tavon Austin 2012: Justin Blackmon 2011: A.J. Green, Julio Jones

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That can not be true.  The players are ranked, starting at 1, through however far they rank them.

There is a 12th ranked player on every draft board, so 12 is not to high for the 12th ranked player.

I think it makes total sense.  The Eagles traded right into no mans land where you're hoping a top player falls or your going to overdraft based on what's available.  Paye and Horn are great examples.  I think they are 15-17 range players but the Eagles might have to take one based on availability. 

It's one of my biggest gripes about the trade back.  I love the 1st next year.  However, with potentially 4 QB's going in the top 5, the Eagles were sitting pretty with only 1 team between them and every top prospect in the draft.  

Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Surtain IMO are the cream of the crop players, the elite position players available this year.  After them it drops off to a bunch of very good but hard to distinguish what their rank is players.

I just don't have a good grip on what 12 should bring us and I especially hate letting Dallas and NYG draft ahead of us (I know I know, who cares what they do). 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Kyle Pitts outran Kentucky’s Kelvin Joseph for a TD this year. According to Daniel Jeremiah, Joseph ran a 4.34 today. 

He’s not a RB that gets hit on every play, or a QB that’s really hard to project to the NFL.  If Pitts stays healthy, his floor is 50 rec, 600yds and 7-8tds. 

He’s as can’t miss as DK Metcalf, except Pitts runs better routes and has way more bend in his hips.    TBF, when Metcalf learns to run the route tree,  say like Jason Avant, he’s gonna be TO, with Randy Moss’s speed. 

11 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Marshall. He's only 20 and he was showing signs of being as dominant like Chase.

Folks need to keep in mind LSU moved Justin Jefferson into the slot because they felt they had to get Terrace Marshall on the field.

 

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Jon Helmkamp

 

@JonHelmkamp

 

 

WR's drafted Top-10 last decade:

2020: None

2019: None

2018: None

2017: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross 2016: None

2015: Amari Cooper, Kevin White

2014: Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans

2013: Tavon Austin 2012: Justin Blackmon 2011: A.J. Green, Julio Jones

 

 

 

Yup. If I'm drafting a WR top 10 he better be a super freak.

Only receiver in this draft I would consider a super freak is pitts but he's a TE WR tweener so who knows???

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Folks need to keep in mind LSU moved Justin Jefferson into the slot because they felt they had to get Terrace Marshall on the field.

 

The funny thing is Marshall moved to the slot this year. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Folks need to keep in mind LSU moved Justin Jefferson into the slot because they felt they had to get Terrace Marshall on the field.

 

LSU is producing WRs.  It's like a WR Factory.  But, Howie doesn't like WR factories.  

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think it makes total sense.  The Eagles traded right into no mans land where you're hoping a top player falls or your going to overdraft based on what's available.  Paye and Horn are great examples.  I think they are 15-17 range players but the Eagles might have to take one based on availability. 

It's one of my biggest gripes about the trade back.  I love the 1st next year.  However, with potentially 4 QB's going in the top 5, the Eagles were sitting pretty with only 1 team between them and every top prospect in the draft.  

Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Surtain IMO are the cream of the crop players, the elite position players available this year.  After them it drops off to a bunch of very good but hard to distinguish what their rank is players.

I just don't have a good grip on what 12 should bring us and I especially hate letting Dallas and NYG draft ahead of us (I know I know, who cares what they do). 

By all accounts, Cinci is going with Chase.

We have Lane and Jordan at OT. True we could replace Jordan, but I think he’s more talented and could end up being the better pro.

We have Dallas at TE, not sure we will ever use a top 10 pick on a TE anyway.

So is Surtain that much better than the next 6 players that you’d turn down a first round pick?

49ers are 100% taking Mac Jones. The top 6 seems to be:

1. Jaguars- QB Trevor Lawrence
2. Jets- QB Zach Wilson
3. 49ers- QB Mac Jones
4. Falcons- TE Kyle Pitts
5. Bengals- WR Ja'Marr Chase
6. Dolphins- WR DeVonta Smith

Falcons could go QB. There's a lot of buzz about them and Trey Lance. 

I would consider JOK at 12 , then 

Marshall wo

Williams cb

Green iol

Sermon rb

Johnson  db 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

LSU is producing WRs.  It's like a WR Factory.  But, Howie doesn't like WR factories.  

Or the SEC

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think it makes total sense.  The Eagles traded right into no mans land where you're hoping a top player falls or your going to overdraft based on what's available.  Paye and Horn are great examples.  I think they are 15-17 range players but the Eagles might have to take one based on availability. 

It's one of my biggest gripes about the trade back.  I love the 1st next year.  However, with potentially 4 QB's going in the top 5, the Eagles were sitting pretty with only 1 team between them and every top prospect in the draft.  

Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Surtain IMO are the cream of the crop players, the elite position players available this year.  After them it drops off to a bunch of very good but hard to distinguish what their rank is players.

I just don't have a good grip on what 12 should bring us and I especially hate letting Dallas and NYG draft ahead of us (I know I know, who cares what they do). 

Who do you have ranked as the 11-13th ranged players? 
 

People act like there’s only players ranked top 10 and players ranked 15-20. 

13 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

49ers are 100% taking Mac Jones. The top 6 seems to be:

1. Jaguars- QB Trevor Lawrence
2. Jets- QB Zach Wilson
3. 49ers- QB Mac Jones
4. Falcons- TE Kyle Pitts
5. Bengals- WR Ja'Marr Chase
6. Dolphins- WR DeVonta Smith

Falcons could go QB. There's a lot of buzz about them and Trey Lance. 

This is my read as well. That's a good board for us TBH. Pushes down 1 WR, 2 OL, 2 QBs and 2 CBs for #12. Guaranteed a good trade option or player. 

26 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

LSU is producing WRs.  It's like a WR Factory.  But, Howie doesn't like WR factories.  

No, he only likes QB factories.

The last time we drafted an SEC WR, our GM was Chip Kelly, and the WR was Jordan Matthews. 

1 minute ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

No, he only likes QB factories.

The last time we drafted an SEC WR, our GM was Chip Kelly, and the WR was Jordan Matthews.

And from Vanderbilt 😂

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is my read as well. That's a good board for us TBH. Pushes down 1 WR, 2 OL, 2 QBs and 2 CBs for #12. Guaranteed a good trade option or player. 

Dolphins should take Sewell in that scenario. 

55 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think it makes total sense.  The Eagles traded right into no mans land where you're hoping a top player falls or your going to overdraft based on what's available.  Paye and Horn are great examples.  I think they are 15-17 range players but the Eagles might have to take one based on availability. 

It's one of my biggest gripes about the trade back.  I love the 1st next year.  However, with potentially 4 QB's going in the top 5, the Eagles were sitting pretty with only 1 team between them and every top prospect in the draft.  

Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Surtain IMO are the cream of the crop players, the elite position players available this year.  After them it drops off to a bunch of very good but hard to distinguish what their rank is players.

I just don't have a good grip on what 12 should bring us and I especially hate letting Dallas and NYG draft ahead of us (I know I know, who cares what they do). 

I guess it’s that time of year again, but is it really a big deal to "overdraft” a guy at 12 that ideally you’d take 15-17?

I think value is overrated. If there’s a guy you love, I’d rather overdraft by half a round vs missing on him completely. At 12 they can still fill a big hole. And if they aren’t in love with anyone there, they can always move back again. 
put it this way, would you be all that upset if they got 5 guys they loved but took every one of them 10 picks "too early?”