35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.   Lightning in a bottle.    Literally every move that year worked out perfectly.   Since then, every move has been a moderate to abject failure... every move.

The SB year was good luck, especially injuries, Peters was the only major blow that year.

The next two years were bad luck, with too many "durable" players suddenly going down as soon as they come here.

2020 was the inevitable crash.

So it goes both ways, and if they don't win the SB, Doug and Schwartz have far less pull and better decisions are made.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The SB year was good luck, especially injuries, Peters was the only major blow that year.

The next two years were bad luck, with too many "durable" players suddenly going down as soon as they come here.

2020 was the inevitable crash.

So it goes both ways, and if they don't win the SB, Doug and Schwartz have far less pull and better decisions are made.

Peters was the only major loss?

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

And last year was this front office's "jumping the shark" if you will. It was a strong and pretty deep draft and they may have come out with nill by reaching for Reagor at 21 and then taking a QB in round two when this team had a lot of needs, immediate and upcoming. That move shook the foundation of the organization in other ways as well. I have no faith in this front office with Jeff pulling the strings from up above while using Halaby's spreadsheets of numbers as his driving force and Howie being his overall yes man. I think they may have let the GM answer go in Andrew Berry too. The athletic report did reveal how just about every side they interviewed all came out saying how good he was. Consequently, I really like a lot of the moves the Browns have made the past two years. 

The Eagles take credit for Berry though... as a GM that 'came through the organization'.  Reality is, he was here for one year, and got the heck out quick.  He was with the Colts from 2009 - 2015, Browns from 2016 - 2018, and with the Eagles in 2019.   Which organization is the least responsible for where he is now?   That's right... the Eagles.   I think the Colts and Browns deserve much more credit.   Besides, what good things happened in the 2019 off season that we can point to and say, "Yeah, that was likely influenced by Berry."   JJAW?  5 draft picks... Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Miller and Thorson.   Wow.   That's also the year they brought in Malik Jackson - fail.   Traded and then resigned Desean Jackson - fail.   Re-worked Jeffery's contract again - fail.   Resigned Ronald Darby coming off ACL injury - fail.   Shall we continue?   Or is that enough?   Oh, and the 2019 season is where they made the trade for... Genard Avery from the Browns.   Maybe that move was initiated by Berry.   But, there had to be a lack of communication between front office and coaching staff.   Avery never got a legit sniff of the field while Schwartz was the DC.  Why make that trade if the coach isn't on board?    Of course, why make the Tate trade, if the coaches can't figure out how to use another slot WR?  

 

 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The SB year was good luck, especially injuries, Peters was the only major blow that year.

The next two years were bad luck, with too many "durable" players suddenly going down as soon as they come here.

2020 was the inevitable crash.

So it goes both ways, and if they don't win the SB, Doug and Schwartz have far less pull and better decisions are made.

Really?   Losing the likely MVP QB wasn't a major blow?   Oh... right... he's been named persona non grata now by the Eagles' spin machine, so his injury wasn't a big deal.

 

It goes both ways, if they don't win the SB, Howie and Lurie don't get full of themselves and start getting cute with moves, then blame it on their latest scape goats after they are gone.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Peters was the only major loss?

Yes, because Peters is personal friends with the owner.   Wentz is now public enemy #1 (at least to the Eagles, or so they would have you believe).

59 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Afan called Howie a good GM and said Hurts is a much better passer than Lamar Jackson in back to back posts. Can’t think of a bigger homer moment on EMB... 

It remains to be seen what Hurts will be as a passing QB in the NFL, but it is accurate to say Lamar Jackson is quite limited as a passer.  He was a 57% passer in his college years, and in 2019 he was uber-efficient because of a trio of TE targets the Ravens ran the offense through.

Both Hurts and Jackson are the same, in that if the defense closes off their running lanes as DAL did to Hurts, neither QB is ultimately going to be successful.  Jackson has better speed and mobility; Hurts is stronger.  As it stands now, I’d rate them pretty much the same in terms of my confidence in their passing abilities.

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It remains to be seen what Hurts will be as a passing QB in the NFL, but it is accurate to say Lamar Jackson is quite limited as a passer.  He was a 57% passer in his college years, and in 2019 he was uber-efficient because of a trio of TE targets the Ravens ran the offense through.

Both Hurts and Jackson are the same, in that if the defense closes off their running lanes as DAL did to Hurts, neither QB is ultimately going to be successful.  Jackson has better speed and mobility; Hurts is stronger.  As it stands now, I’d rate them pretty much the same in terms of my confidence in their passing abilities.

I do feel Lamar needs some better wide receivers. Mark Andrews drops quite a few balls too. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I agree with Les. So many aggregators take small snippets and either take it out of context or twist the words to make it something it isn’t. Aggregate journalism is just bad in general. They draw the clicks away from the real reporters. 

We’ve been saying that.  But I also think they have an influence on how real reporters present things.  

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I know Dylan Moses has had some injuries at Alabama but he's one I would take a flier on in round 3. 

Of course Zaven Collins is the cream of the crop.  He can play any LB position every down. 

MIcah Parsons is molded the same way.  Play him inside or outside and never take him off the field.   I think Parsons and Collins are on the same level.

I love Nick Bolton.  He didn't test well but I think he's sort of a combination of Mychal Kendricks and Denzel Perryman.  I'd love to see him as an Eagle.

Monty Rice of UGA isn't a thumper, he's in that ideal Eagles LB range of 6-1 230ish but he's got instincts.  

There are quite a few LB that could immediately help the Eagles if they don't try to get cute.  

Mid-round LB. Nick Bolton, Dylan Moses, Monty Rice, Peter Werner all would come in and be better than 3/4 of the LB on the Eagles and make the team better.

However, Howie will manage to find an FCS safety and convert him to LB.  

Edwards and Singleton are solid against the run, and Singleton has some upside left as a SAM.

So I'm not interested in a two down thumper, while Bradley and Taylor are fast, athletic LBs who have potential as nickel LBs.

What we lack is the 3 down LB, and Parsons isn't the answer, he's more suited to OLB in the 3-4 or a SAM in a system where they blitz a lot on passing downs.

I'm looking more for the WLB/MLB who can play in the 2 LB set on passing downs and is a plus in coverage.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Edwards and Singleton are solid against the run, and Singleton has some upside left as a SAM.

So I'm not interested in a two down thumper, while Bradley and Taylor are fast, athletic LBs who have potential as nickel LBs.

What we lack is the 3 down LB, and Parsons isn't the answer, he's more suited to OLB in the 3-4 or a SAM in a system where they blitz a lot on passing downs.

I'm looking more for the WLB/MLB who can play in the 2 LB set on passing downs and is a plus in coverage.

Edwards is JAG.  Singleton, as much of a nice story as he is, is going on 28.  I don't think that's upside.  I think he's filling the gap until we get 3 young good LBs.

One thing Gannon seems to do is blitz the A gap which Parson excelled at at PSU.  He's not going to be the pick but I think as an ILB he would thrive in this defense.  He's also the kind of talent that can play any LB position.  I think Collins is the same way but 100% more built for 3-4. 

Taylor is fast.  He's shown nothing of any sort that he's ready for a role bigger than ST right now.  Bradley is JAG if he improves. 

We need LB help across the board, be it depth or starters. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I asked last night and got no answers: who are the top five or so MLB prospects who project to play all three downs? Are there even that many?

I think the base defense isn’t a 4/3 anymore, it is a 4/2/5.  The real change is when the fifth DB is a S or a CB.  I suspect that we may see some Big S v smaller S looks at the third S too. The LBs all have to have coverage skills. But whether a S or LB, the player has to be able to get off blocks and stop the run.  
 

Parsons, maybe Davis, maybe McGrone, maybe Moses. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The SB year was good luck, especially injuries, Peters was the only major blow that year.

The next two years were bad luck, with too many "durable" players suddenly going down as soon as they come here.

2020 was the inevitable crash.

So it goes both ways, and if they don't win the SB, Doug and Schwartz have far less pull and better decisions are made.

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think the base defense isn’t a 4/3 anymore, it is a 4/2/5.  The real change is when the fifth DB is a S or a CB.  I suspect that we may see some Big S v smaller S looks at the third S too. The LBs all have to have coverage skills. But whether a S or LB, the player has to be able to get off blocks and stop the run.  
 

Parsons, maybe Davis, maybe McGrone, maybe Moses. 

I have wanted to love Isreal Mukuamu because he is 6'3'' and plays CB and S in the same game. However, the video that people have posted in here many times of Pitts running a quick slant near the goal line on a helpless CB- thats Mukuamu. And he had a lot of other poor plays in that game. And I just have a hard time now... Love the idea of a player his size with that versatility. But he just seems to play like Jane. 

This draft has a bunch of 6'3'' CBs, and Id like to get 2 of them. Someone with that size, and length will have a better chance of covering DK Metalf's freakishness. 

Melifonwu really looks nice. Hes big, and plays physically too in run support. I love it.

 

Melifonwu and St Juste would be two dogs on the outside for us when Slay is gone.

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I have wanted to love Isreal Mukuamu because he is 6'3'' and plays CB and S in the same game. However, the video that people have posted in here many times of Pitts running a quick slant near the goal line on a helpless CB- thats Mukuamu. And he had a lot of other poor plays in that game. And I just have a hard time now... Love the idea of a player his size with that versatility. But he just seems to play like Jane. 

This draft has a bunch of 6'3'' CBs, and Id like to get 2 of them. Someone with that size, and length will have a better chance of covering DK Metalf's freakishness. 

Melifonwu really looks nice. Hes big, and plays physically too in run support. I love it.

 

Melifonwu and St Juste would be two dogs on the outside for us when Slay is gone.

Starting to really like St Juste. I don’t think he gets out of round 2. 

https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/1383441357084135426

2 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Doug is the ultimate fall guy in this.  Wentz still has a chance to re-emerge if he plays well in Indy.  With Reich who knows how to use the skills of a QB.  Wentz has a reasonable chance.

Doug is out of the league this season.  He may get back in later.  But the label of a failed HC will stick with him until he can redeem himself in another gig. 

Howie got protection from Lurie.  The fact that he was sidelined but not gone during Chip Kelly era, tells you that Lurie will keep him around unless something seriously wrong.  Howie plays his cards carefully, no glaring mistakes in this and next drafts, he would be around for a lot longer.

 

I agree with most of that.  I'm hoping Howie has learned from the past few years.  We can say all we want about Howie isnt going anywhere and no matter what he does he's Lurie's guy.......bottom line is if he continues to do what he's been doing for another 2-3 years and the team is bad, Lurie will have no choice but to fire him.  Not only from the fans but the media will make sure Lurie hears and knows what a terrible job Howie is doing, if the trend continues of course.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/1383441357084135426

The Eagles were the recipients of the 49ers overpaying for #3.   Dolphins got a ton of value to go from #3 to #12, then gave back some value to get to #6.   And some of that extra spilled over to the Eagles.  Dolphins made out pretty well moving from 3 to 6 over all, and they will likely still get the guy they would have preferred at 3... one of the offensive weapons, either Pitts or Chase.

If Howie wants to move back to #9, it would cost him Indy's 3rd rd pick. And he still has the extra 1st rd pick in 2022.

Moving to 8th would cost Philly's own pick at #70, with maybe Carolina's 5th coming back.

I don't think he's planning to move up at all, rather, he just wants to know if Denver or Carolina might be willing to trade down if they don't want the player available at #8 or #9, and someone like Chase, Pitts or a QB they like falls unexpectedly.

Be prepared! To get a player you thought would be gone at #6 at #8 or #9 would be hitting the jackpot.

Why trade out of #6 then? Because getting an extra 1st next year is a sure thing, hoping a player drops unexpectedly is betting on a long shot. But in the draft, strange things happen at times.

 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I agree with Les. So many aggregators take small snippets and either take it out of context or twist the words to make it something it isn’t. Aggregate journalism is just bad in general. They draw the clicks away from the real reporters. 

Been telling you that for years.

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is a much better passer than Lamar. And Sirianni will make tweaks to take advantage of his mobility, but it's going to be some variant on the Reich offensive scheme. A lot more scheming to get targets open on multiple levels, with outlets available when deep targets are covered, and the goal to get the ball out within 3 seconds on most passing plays - setting up the occasional deep shot. What you won't see a lot of is 4 deep routes and the QB praying the OL will hold up.

Keep telling yourself stuff like this.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Howie wants to move back to #9, it would cost him Indy's 3rd rd pick. And he still has the extra 1st rd pick in 2022.

Moving to 8th would cost Philly's own pick at #70, with maybe Carolina's 5th coming back.

I don't think he's planning to move up at all, rather, he just wants to know if Denver or Carolina might be willing to trade down if they don't want the player available at #8 or #9, and someone like Chase, Pitts or a QB they like falls unexpectedly.

Be prepared! To get a player you thought would be gone at #6 at #8 or #9 would be hitting the jackpot.

Why trade out of #6 then? Because getting an extra 1st next year is a sure thing, hoping a player drops unexpectedly is betting on a long shot. But in the draft, strange things happen at times.

 

I think it's just as you say -- be prepared.

The Eagles will be opportunistic. If a bunch of QBs go quickly then maybe you can make a small move back up and get the top positional player at their position. Likewise, maybe one of the QBs they like falls, and you can grab your franchise prospect while still having that leftover extra future first for a rapid rebuild.

my UDFA RB target. Loved watching this guy run it when I watched Maryland/PSU this year. Didnt know he was in the draft. I was just doing the PFN mock and for the last pick I scrolled all the way to the end of the list to check out some unknown prospects, and I found Funk.

 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

my UDFA RB target. Loved watching this guy run it when I watched Maryland/PSU this year. Didnt know he was in the draft. I was just doing the PFN mock and for the last pick I scrolled all the way to the end of the list to check out some unknown prospects, and I found Funk.

 

He tested half decent too 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

He tested half decent too 

yeah I really noticed his speed in that PSU game. I see he ran a 4.43 with a 38'' vert at 225lbs at his pro day. Thats after 2 ACL surgeries in his past. Between the ACLs, and only playing 4 games in a COVID shortened season I think he has a chance to go undrafted, and be a steal for someone.