6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Ertz and 37 for the Bills pick at 30. Not sure there's a major quality difference between 30 and 37, but at least you get that 5th year option.

5th year option is nice and all but I think Ertz needs to be used to move from 12-8 if Pitts/Chase fall.  My hope is 37, 70 and 84 are still in play for the Eagles as that's where the meat of this draft is.

We'll see soon enough.  Sad how Ertz could have brought back a 3 if he was traded when a lot of us started talking about it and now we are talking about using him to move up 7 spots for a 5th year option, or as a throw in to bump up 4 spots.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

5th year option is nice and all but I think Ertz needs to be used to move from 12-8 if Pitts/Chase fall.  My hope is 37, 70 and 84 are still in play for the Eagles as that's where the meat of this draft is.

We'll see soon enough.  Sad how Ertz could have brought back a 3 if he was traded when a lot of us started talking about it and now we are talking about using him to move up 7 spots for a 5th year option, or as a throw in to bump up 4 spots.

Moving from 37 to 30 is equivalent to a low third on the draft charts. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Moving from 37 to 30 is equivalent to a low third on the draft charts. 

Is it?  I thought it would be lower than that.  I know it sounds like backwards thinking but I feel sometimes the top picks in round 2 offer more value than the last few picks in round 1.  Teams have had a full day to reset their draft boards, think about who they want and are ready to move.  Pick 33 would probably bring back a better haul than pick 30 this year IMO. 

This is going to be a wild draft, a lot of teams will treat it like a 4 round draft, especially playoff teams (or those who think they are), who'd prefer to add veterans over  players who missed a season or had a truncated season and will be further away from being able to contribute at the NFL level. It's one thing for Chase to miss a year, but players with less talent will be behind the 2nd year players and veteran pickups in TC, especially without mini-camps in the spring.

But that also means some very talented but raw players will fall in this draft, and third day picks will become high risk/high reward lottery tickets. For a team that's rebuilding, this is the draft to load up on these kinds of players, even if you cut half in TC, you can fill out the bottom of the roster and the PS.

And it means you can probably pick up a lot of picks trading down, because teams will target players on the first two days and overpay to get them.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Is it?  I thought it would be lower than that.  I know it sounds like backwards thinking but I feel sometimes the top picks in round 2 offer more value than the last few picks in round 1.  Teams have had a full day to reset their draft boards, think about who they want and are ready to move.  Pick 33 would probably bring back a better haul than pick 30 this year IMO. 

It would be interesting to hear a GM's take on this. Pick 30 has the time factor in it where some GM could panic and overpay because they have to make a decision in 5ish minutes. Pick 33 gives you time to potentially build a bidding war. 

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Did you guys hear the Eagles passed on Justin Jefferson?

Big if true

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Big if true

Well didn’t really need him. We have Greg ward!!! 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

This is going to be a wild draft, a lot of teams will treat it like a 4 round draft, especially playoff teams (or those who think they are), who'd prefer to add veterans over  players who missed a season or had a truncated season and will be further away from being able to contribute at the NFL level. It's one thing for Chase to miss a year, but players with less talent will be behind the 2nd year players and veteran pickups in TC, especially without mini-camps in the spring.

But that also means some very talented but raw players will fall in this draft, and third day picks will become high risk/high reward lottery tickets. For a team that's rebuilding, this is the draft to load up on these kinds of players, even if you cut half in TC, you can fill out the bottom of the roster and the PS.

And it means you can probably pick up a lot of picks trading down, because teams will target players on the first two days and overpay to get them.

It's an odd year because of the size of the class and the lack of a combine.  I mean the number of players that have a RAS above a 9 for this class appears to be 99 and for 2020 it was about 35 players. Part of that may be that the data isn't from a more standardized source.  I do think it indicates that are some very good athletes that may be available in later rounds.  Some of those players are bound to have limited tape and production in 2020.  

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

In fairness i am also going to be agonizing watching the Phillies too. 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

The Eagles drafted Dillard while I was there — but I think I was drinking a Pina Colada at the time.

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

I'll be sipping Yuenglings and sampling wings in the living room (but I won't be agonizing). Enjoy your trip!

33 minutes ago, RLC said:

That's a WIN trade-wise IMO. Saving the cap space is huge. 

You'd spend most of the saving on the contract of #30, you can't just pay rookies minimum and prorated bonus the 1st year under the new CBA, their basic salary can't rise more than 25% in any year of the contract so whereas in the past you'd take a $2million dollar cap hit the first year and work up to a $3.5million on the last, now you're looking at a shade under $3million cap hit give or take the odd $100k for every year.

If our position is such that we have to trade Ertz to generate just under $5million in cap space, no way we spend 60 percent of that on one draft pick.

 

At least we didn't draft this idiot 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You'd spend most of the saving on the contract of #30, you can't just pay rookies minimum and prorated bonus the 1st year under the new CBA, their basic salary can't rise more than 25% in any year of the contract so whereas in the past you'd take a $2million dollar cap hit the first year and work up to a $3.5million on the last, now you're looking at a shade under $3million cap hit give or take the odd $100k for every year.

If our position is such that we have to trade Ertz to generate just under $5million in cap space, no way we spend 60 percent of that on one draft pick.

Pick 30 could have a base salary for 2.2M for 2021. That's fine.
Pick 37 is 1.5M.

So the extra value, apart from the player's ability of course, is the 5th year option. That can represent millions of savings if it's a premium position. 

*Sigh*

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

*Sigh*

Sucks if true.  Feels like the Birds may miss out on the difference makers they most need.  All depends on how many QBs and demand for OL I suppose.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2021/4/26/22403629/zach-ertz-trade-rumors-eagles-nfl-draft-2021-philadelphia-tight-end-contract-adam-caplan-news?

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

*Sigh*

Doesn't make a lot of sense.  No one is trading into the top 5 for either of those guys, MIA and DET are more likely to go WR

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

Take sunscreen. 

I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but I was watching Mel Kiper talk about draft options for the Cowboys at 10(?).  They desperately need to upgrade that defense, but TE is a big glaring need, too.  If I'm Jerry Jones, I'm trying hard to move up to get Kyle Pitts.  I might even dangle Amari Cooper.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

While you all are agonizing through the Eagles draft, my wife and I will be sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya. 😄

Have fun!  The wife and I stayed at the Atelier in Riviera Maya back in October, and it was beautiful!!  

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats fine. It means we can 

1) Trade back and still get really good talent

2) get Parsons/Waddle. 

Yep.

Finite amount of talent at the top of the draft.  If some teams start reaching for Surtain / Horn in the top-10 that means some talent falls.  We've got so many holes on this team that we can be pretty sure that BPA is going to help this team.  

6 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but I was watching Mel Kiper talk about draft options for the Cowboys at 10(?).  They desperately need to upgrade that defense, but TE is a big glaring need, too.  If I'm Jerry Jones, I'm trying hard to move up to get Kyle Pitts.  I might even dangle Amari Cooper.

Dalton Schultz is perfectly fine for what they need at TE -- it's not a position of need at all for them.

I think the Eagles would do Ertz a favor and trade him to a team that’s in win now mode - and those are the teams that would be most likely to give up capital for an aging veteran. Some that come to mind are the Bills, Cardinals, Titans, Colts, Packers, and Rams.