24 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Horn or Surtain have been my wish all this time.  But man.  If we can trade down to Baltimore and pick up their 27 and 31 and get Zaven Collins and maybe Bateman.  Then we can go best corner available in the 2nd.  That would be a great haul in the first two rounds.  I’m a big believer in Collins.  

What if we trade down and Zaven and Bateman are off the board?

27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Horn or Surtain have been my wish all this time.  But man.  If we can trade down to Baltimore and pick up their 27 and 31 and get Zaven Collins and maybe Bateman.  Then we can go best corner available in the 2nd.  That would be a great haul in the first two rounds.  I’m a big believer in Collins.  

Same.  This would be ideal.  Or if you get Collins and Greg Newsome.  Then Elijah Moore at 37.  That would be incredible.

9 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Paye would be a fail at 12

Yup 

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Paye would be a fail at 12

Agreed. I want nothing to do with him at 12.

Having said that, I picked him in OC's draft contest because, well... Howie's gonna Howie.

The Eagles really need 4 QB's to go before they pick. 5 QB's gone would be awesome for us. However.... if only 3 go, we are in trouble.  I feel like there are only 7/8 prime non QB's in the top of round 1.  Only 3 QB's gone likely means all 7 or 8 of those guys are gone. 

We need someone to reach for QB, or whatever other position. 

3 minutes ago, What The F said:

The Eagles really need 4 QB's to go before they pick. 5 QB's gone would be awesome for us. However.... if only 3 go, we are in trouble.  I feel like there are only 7/8 prime non QB's in the top of round 1.  Only 3 QB's gone likely means all 7 or 8 of those guys are gone. 

We need someone to reach for QB, or whatever other position. 

I can't envision a scenario where there aren't at least 4 gone by pick #12.  I'm sure the Patriots attempt a trade up too, and I'd think there's a better chance of 5 being gone by our pick.   

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I can't envision a scenario where there aren't at least 4 gone by pick #12.  I'm sure the Patriots attempt a trade up too, and I'd think there's a better chance of 5 being gone by our pick.   

I agree.  And while COVID has definitely made all these picks more risky, I think it actually makes it easier for GMs to justify taking a QB higher - if you are a team that needs a QB, intrigue with incomplete information ends up being a bit of an insulator...if they bust, I don't think you get nearly as much flack as in a full college year.  I can't see how 4 aren't gone by 12.

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I can't envision a scenario where there aren't at least 4 gone by pick #12.  I'm sure the Patriots attempt a trade up too, and I'd think there's a better chance of 5 being gone by our pick.   

I think 3 is a lock and 4 is very likely. 5 might be a reach, but that is the ideal situation. 5 gone guarantees a a blue chip prospect is available at 12.  Then we only need Howie to not Howie the pick. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We’re obviously playing hypotheticals.  What if you stay put and draft a 160 lb WR and he’s hurt all the time.  What if you stay at 6 and you draft a TE who turns out to be a poor man’s Vernon Davis?   What if you trade up and draft a QB who is a bust?   We can do the what if game all you want.  If we’re doing wishes, I would rather have 2 top 30 players than one top 15 player.  

Glass half full - got it.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We’re obviously playing hypotheticals.  What if you stay put and draft a 160 lb WR and he’s hurt all the time.  What if you stay at 6 and you draft a TE who turns out to be a poor man’s Vernon Davis?   What if you trade up and draft a QB who is a bust?   We can do the what if game all you want.  If we’re doing wishes, I would rather have 2 top 30 players than one top 15 player.  

But what about one top 5 non QB player vs 2 top 30 players?... 

47 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Paye would be a fail at 12

Another lock!

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We’re obviously playing hypotheticals.  What if you stay put and draft a 160 lb WR and he’s hurt all the time.  What if you stay at 6 and you draft a TE who turns out to be a poor man’s Vernon Davis?   What if you trade up and draft a QB who is a bust?   We can do the what if game all you want.  If we’re doing wishes, I would rather have 2 top 30 players than one top 15 player.  

I would say we are Eagles fans.

49 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Paye would be a fail at 12

It’s even worse than a bad reach for a DE in a weak DE class; it has a ripple effect through the rest of the draft.

In 2017 the Eagles took Barnett at #14 when they had a dire need at CB; it pigeon-holed them into talking themselves into Sidney Jones at #43.  Him not being medically able to go as a Week 1 starter cornered them into double-dipping at #99 with Rasul Douglas.  Now 4 years later Barnett is the only player from that entire draft class still on the roster.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It’s even worse than a bad reach for a DE in a weak DE class; it has a ripple effect through the rest of the draft.

In 2017 the Eagles took Barnett at #14 when they had a dire need at CB; it pigeon-holed them into talking themselves into Sidney Jones at #43.  Him not being medically able to go as a Week 1 starter cornered them into double-dipping at #99 with Rasul Douglas.  Now 4 years later Barnett is the only player from that entire draft class still on the roster.

They absolutely have to look at this as a multi-year rebuild with all the picks they have next year as well as a better draft class where they'll have more information.  Stick to BPA this year because there are holes everywhere and if you feel the need to target positions, do that in '21 draft

The troubling scenario is 4QBs, Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Smith, Waddle, Surtain, and Horn are gone.

Then the BPAs for the Eagles are Slater, Paye, etc.

To make lemonade out of this, we'd need to have a team trade up with us for the fifth QB.  NE won't be motivated at #15 (LAC @ 13 and MIN @ 14 aren't going QB).  But they may need to out bid WFT or Chicago to make sure they get that QB.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Paye would be a fail at 12

Would Paye be a fail a few picks later?

What if Howie abides by the "build through the trenches" rule, but does it in a value-appropriate way by trading back and selecting a DL or OL at the right spot?

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2021-nfl-draft-class?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb&__twitter_impression=true

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And then we trade down and go with my Collins, Bateman best DB on the board in the 2nd scenario.  

Have you licensed "your" scenario yet.  I see a potential T-shirt bonanza.

55 minutes ago, What The F said:

I think 3 is a lock and 4 is very likely. 5 might be a reach, but that is the ideal situation. 5 gone guarantees a a blue chip prospect is available at 12.  Then we only need Howie to not Howie the pick. 

4 qbs seems very likely

WR: Chase; Waddle; Smith

TE: Pitts

OL: Sewell; Slater

CB: Horn; Surtain

there are the next 8 - we get one of those. dont panic

 

its why i said a while back before the trade that 12 was the lowest i was willing to go

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The troubling scenario is 4QBs, Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Smith, Waddle, Surtain, and Horn are gone.

Then the BPAs for the Eagles are Slater, Paye, etc.

To make lemonade out of this, we'd need to have a team trade up with us for the fifth QB.  NE won't be motivated at #15 (LAC @ 13 and MIN @ 14 aren't going QB).  But they may need to out bid WFT or Chicago to make sure they get that QB.

If Howie can't trade out in that scenario, then Parsons or Slater would have to be the pick -- although if there is no trade out, just take Lance or Mac Jones.

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Would Paye be a fail a few picks later?

What if Howie abides by the "build through the trenches" rule, but does it in a value-appropriate way by trading back and selecting a DL or OL at the right spot?

depends what we get, but probably. Paye isnt a game changer. thats what we need in rd1. "decent" wont cut it there

Seems the most obvious scenario , is usually the wrong scenario .

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

depends what we get, but probably. Paye isnt a game changer. thats what we need in rd1. "decent" wont cut it there

I wasn't trying to be specific about Paye.  More as a lead in to the question.

Is a lineman a mistake in round 1, even if taken at the appropriate spot?

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The troubling scenario is 4QBs, Sewell, Pitts, Chase, Smith, Waddle, Surtain, and Horn are gone.

Then the BPAs for the Eagles are Slater, Paye, etc.

To make lemonade out of this, we'd need to have a team trade up with us for the fifth QB.  NE won't be motivated at #15 (LAC @ 13 and MIN @ 14 aren't going QB).  But they may need to out bid WFT or Chicago to make sure they get that QB.

take Slater and laugh all the way to the bank there. easy choice

the disaster scenario is three qbs and my next 8 go. which might mean Fields is staring you in the face. so you get a trade premium...or take him. Fields has franchise qb all over him. in my mind

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

4 qbs seems very likely

WR: Chase; Waddle; Smith

TE: Pitts

OL: Sewell; Slater

CB: Horn; Surtain

there are the next 8 - we get one of those. dont panic

 

its why i said a while back before the trade that 12 was the lowest i was willing to go

I know probably unpopular, but I'd even throw Parsons into that mix for me personally.