2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yeah I basically don’t know anyone outside the top 20 because I just don’t care. I saw that Rock Paper Scissors interview today and I’m ready to fire Sirianni already. They’re a last place team through and through. 

But they should be a last place team.  They need to rebuild and accumulate high picks.  The worst thing a team can do is try and band aid a low upside situation like the Bears with Dalton.

Who likes looking stuff up on google? Question- When is the last time arguably the best safety in the draft was a red-shirt senior? What round was he drafted in?

I ask because Richie Grant seems neck and neck with Moehrig but grant is the redshirt senior. Id love it if he was available in round 3. Not sure if thats possible. 

They can stay, move up or move back........

They can acquire more picks and shop, condense what they have, add Ertz & Dillard too.

They have needs everywhere.

They need 1 receiver, but I like what they already have more than you do.

Their back 7 is a dumpster fire, and the depth at DE is held together with crazy glue and baling wire........

If they want to trade up for an impact player to help Lurie's offense fetish........whatever. Prefer Waddle, but will go with what Siri envisions as best for his system.

They can even take a QB at 12, and have everyone revel in their idiocy.  It's one (1) pick, I don't care who they choose to pay a lot to-and they may find someone better than Hurts.

If however; after trading back from 6 to 12, they blow their future on a Wentz redux and go back to the future at QB?   I'm calling a taxi. 

3 minutes ago, Greenakers2 said:

They can stay, move up or move back........

They can acquire more picks and shop, condense what they have, add Ertz & Dillard too.

They have needs everywhere.

They need 1 receiver, but I like what they already have more than you do.

Their back 7 is a dumpster fire, and the depth at DE is held together with crazy glue and baling wire........

If they want to trade up for an impact player to help Lurie's offense fetish........whatever. Prefer Waddle, but will go with what Siri envisions as best for his system.

They can even take a QB at 12, and have everyone revel in their idiocy.  It's one (1) pick, I don't care who they choose to pay a lot to-and they may find someone better than Hurts.

If however; after trading back from 6 to 12, they blow their future on a Wentz redux and go back to the future at QB?   I'm calling a taxi. 

Isn’t drafting a QB at #12 smarter than drafting him at #6?  You come out ahead an additional first round pick .....

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m tired of this baseball teams crap offense. Can’t blame Kapler now.  

besides harper and realmuto no one is really consistent in this lineup. The Phillies farm system stinks and they haven’t done a great job drafting and developing guys. Really nola is the only all star caliber starter they’ve drafted and developed. Bohm might turn out that way but hasn’t been good so far. Hoskins is what he is. Moniak, haseley looking like busts for where they were drafted. Kingery is a utility player who looks lost at the plate. They were awful from 2013 to 2018 and really didn’t capitalize on the drafting and did a poor job developing. 

 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Isn’t drafting a QB at #12 smarter than drafting him at #6?  You come out ahead an additional first round pick .....

Why would you gamble on that? You wouldn't if you like him as a franchise QB.

3 hours ago, thedanone82 said:

I don't understand taking a QB this year especially if you have to trade up. There's a decent chance we could be playing for the #1 overall next year. Unless you think whoever you have a chance at this year is that much better than next year crop it just doesn't make sense to me.

If they want a QB in this draft then I don't understand the move down

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

besides harper and realmuto no one is really consistent in this lineup. The Phillies farm system stinks and they haven’t done a great job drafting and developing guys. Really nola is the only all star caliber starter they’ve drafted and developed. Bohm might turn out that way but hasn’t been good so far. Hoskins is what he is. Moniak, haseley looking like busts for where they were drafted. Kingery is a utility player who looks lost at the plate. They were awful from 2013 to 2018 and really didn’t capitalize on the drafting and did a poor job developing. 

 

I think an organizational emphasis on launch angle and home runs destroyed the basics of a clean swing and good contact.

The batting averages of their high investment bats are unimpressive and the batting averages of their tier 2 bats are abysmal.  
 

Batting average reflects consistency and generally reflects not stranding runners on base while bringing them home.  The offense has been maddeningly streaky over recent years and the lack of consistent contact/avg is the underlying reason.  

33 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, Kedon Slovis, and there seems to be a ''Joe Burrow or Zach Wilson type'' every year who comes out of nowhere to get drafted early.

If that conversation starts with Spencer Rattler, I’ll take a hard pass.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

McCutcheon (although off tonight) leading off and Hoskins hitting 2nd has made no sense for 2 years and continues to make no sense.  

Mccutchen’s contract at his age, his decline  and what they paid him considering what guys like Brantley on the same market got paid made no sense. The Phillies are currently in their 3rd longest streak in their history without having a winning season. The other two times worse were in the 1920s and 1930s. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think an organizational emphasis on launch angle and home runs destroyed the basics of a clean swing and good contact.

The batting averages of their high investment bats are unimpressive and the batting averages of their tier 2 bats are abysmal.  
 

Batting average reflects consistency and generally reflects not stranding runners on base while bringing them home.  The offense has been maddeningly streaky over recent years and the lack of consistent contact/avg is the underlying reason.  

I agree with everything except batting averages this year of their high investments. Harper and realmuto are batting .330 and .317 so far this season. 

34 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Cool. So Slay, a fourth round pick, Maddox, and Jacquet at corner as the top four corners. What could possibly go wrong.

That will pair well with a right side of the OL featuring Nate Herbig and Matt Pryor.

We suck everywhere.

I’m bias to Mills , but I agree with Shaw .

 

I think Davis is an NFL starter. He’s got the makeup mentally, he’s got the makeup physically,” Shaw said. "You go back to the film and what the film tells me is this is an NFL ready quarterback that rivals those next three (Jones, Lance and Fields). After the top two, he’s right in the mix in my opinion, when you watch the film.” 

This isn’t just a proud but perhaps biased coach talking, though. Scouts and NFL executives have raved about Mills’ tape since he decided to leave Stanford early. Some draft experts believe Mills is a third-round pick at worst while others say it’s possible he could even be a late first-round pick. 

Mills was the nation’s top-ranked quarterback coming out of Georgia’s Greater Atlanta Christian School and while he only started 11 games in two seasons with the Cardinal, he was impressive when he played. Mills had a 139.9 passer rating while throwing for 1,508 yards and seven touchdowns in five games last season. That came after compiling a 144.8 rating in eight games in 2019, when he had 1,960 yards with 11 touchdowns and five interceptions.

 

Shaw believes it was Stanford’s COVID-impacted 2020 schedule that probably cost him in terms of notoriety. 

"If Davis Mills has the full 12 games and not the six we played this year, I think we’re talking about him in the mix with that five,” Shaw told his NFL Network partner Rich Eisen recently. "If he comes back for another year, then you’re talking about the best quarterback in America and now you’re talking about a Top 5, Top 10 pick.”

 

Analytics-oriented team (Panthers) + a GM that likes CBs with size (From the Seattle tree). Makes sense.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with everything except batting averages this year of their high investments. Harper and realmuto are batting .330 and .317 so far this season. 

I’m thinking of more of an aerial view than the brief trend of this season.

Harper is around .265 as a Phil, Rhys around .240 career, JT not close to .300 in his time here.  
 

For the big 3 bats the lineup is built around (and on a team built around its lineup), that’s pretty meh.  

Devonta Smith led the NCAA with 618 yards after contact for those of you who are worried about his size.

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I’m bias to Mills , but I agree with Shaw .

 

I think Davis is an NFL starter. He’s got the makeup mentally, he’s got the makeup physically,” Shaw said. "You go back to the film and what the film tells me is this is an NFL ready quarterback that rivals those next three (Jones, Lance and Fields). After the top two, he’s right in the mix in my opinion, when you watch the film.” 

This isn’t just a proud but perhaps biased coach talking, though. Scouts and NFL executives have raved about Mills’ tape since he decided to leave Stanford early. Some draft experts believe Mills is a third-round pick at worst while others say it’s possible he could even be a late first-round pick. 

Mills was the nation’s top-ranked quarterback coming out of Georgia’s Greater Atlanta Christian School and while he only started 11 games in two seasons with the Cardinal, he was impressive when he played. Mills had a 139.9 passer rating while throwing for 1,508 yards and seven touchdowns in five games last season. That came after compiling a 144.8 rating in eight games in 2019, when he had 1,960 yards with 11 touchdowns and five interceptions.

 

Shaw believes it was Stanford’s COVID-impacted 2020 schedule that probably cost him in terms of notoriety. 

"If Davis Mills has the full 12 games and not the six we played this year, I think we’re talking about him in the mix with that five,” Shaw told his NFL Network partner Rich Eisen recently. "If he comes back for another year, then you’re talking about the best quarterback in America and now you’re talking about a Top 5, Top 10 pick.”

 

I agree too.  I think his chances of franchise qb success are about as high as the other guys, so he poses a massive value later on.

They may all flop (as is usually the case with runs on qbs), but this is a really nice qb draft in that it has every flavor.

Running qbs, accurate guys with less raw tools but big production, pro style pocket guys with big arms, grade school recess gunslinger types...sort of has one from each approach.

Man it’s going to be weird when they have to give out OROY to both Smith and Pitts 

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s ridiculous.  If they liked a QB in the 1st round of this draft, they wouldn’t trade down to 12. They aren’t drafting a QB in the 1st.  I don’t know how many times it needs to be said.  

You adjust to the board.  If a QB is available at 12 and he’s the BPA on their board, they draft him.  You don’t sit there and say "Oh well, it’s already pick #12 and he’s still sitting there; he can’t be any good”

What f’n draft slot do you think Deshaun Watson went at???

All I want out of this draft is to not be shaking my head saying WTF for the first four picks.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How so?  Much like Jefferson, there is no guarantee those guys would produce here like they would elsewhere.  

Why get excited about any draft pick then? Even with a new coaching staff they are doomed from the start here apparently.

18 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Devonta Smith led the NCAA with 618 yards after contact for those of you who are worried about his size.

college YAC is nothing like the NFL contact he will see

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How so?  Much like Jefferson, there is no guarantee those guys would produce here like they would elsewhere.  

Its a guarantee they are both first ballot hall of famers. They could have Clayton Thorson throwing them the ball and they would top 2000 yards with 1,800 of them being after first contact. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

All I want out of this draft is to not be shaking my head saying WTF for the first four picks.

That’s a high bar 

Walter needs to update his draft pick explainations. The inside info that Charlie Campbell got is a little dated

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I've been projecting a quarterback to this spot for quite some time, but that will obviously no longer be the case in the wake of the Sam Darnold trade. Go here for the Sam Darnold Trade Grades. Instead, the Panthers can focus on further upgrading the rest of the roster.

The Panthers have one of the weakest cornerback groups in the NFL. They have to deal with some talented receivers in their division - Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin - so upgrading this position is imperative.

Jaycee Horn is a fast, fluid athlete. Team sources have told Charlie Campbell that Horn is a better prospect than his teammate, Israel Mukuamu.

*** OTHER 2021 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***

1. Jaylen Waddle, WR - The Panthers might be looking at a receiver with D.J. Moore's contract expiring soon.

2. Trade Down (Rashawn Slater, OT) - Carolina must make sure Sam Darnold is protected well. The Panthers could trade down and obtain Slater.