2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Whether this is true or not is unknown, But it would explain why Jeff gives Howie a pass. something I alluded to earlier. That possibly Howie was making the Moves DOUG wanted. 

 

It would explain why Doug is gone and Howie is still here. Or it's just an excuse to take heat off of Howie. 

 

 

Sure, blame it on the fired guy

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

OK, first full day of Eagles coaching discussions.  I think Mike Vrabel has done a great job in Tennessee....are there any coaches on his staff that might be good candidates?

Is it even worth thinking of off the wall solutions or do we know the Eagles have their top 5 already.

1. The guy that loves Howie. 
2. The guy that likes Howie. 
3. The guy that respects Howie. 
4. The guy comfortable working under Howie. 
5. The guy who can tolerate Howie. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Of course it might make a little sense since Doug never wanted to bench JJAW

1 minute ago, greend said:

Sure, blame it on the fired guy

Every report I read prior to today said that Howie went against the scouts and decided to pick Reagor over Jefferson, and now this comes out. It's kinda funny the timing of it.

Dane is arguably the best draft guy in the business. 

Looking at a mock like this, you can clearly see why we wanted to go from 9 to 6.
Also, some fun options at the top of RD2.

52 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Thats fair, But just because he wanted to do something, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Jeff certainly didn't think so, and I agree with Jeff here. 

There's also a double standard when Pederson is taking the fall for the coaching decisions when apparently they weren't all his. 

Was listening to WIP on the drive in to work and they had Mike Garafalo on and he mentioned something about some of the draft picks being Doug's choice and Rhea made a good point saying "Wait.  I am to believe that the guy they wouldn't let pick his own coaching staff, that they'd let him make draft picks?".  So they can spin it how they want, but the buck ends at Howie and he/they aren't owning it.  That's poor leadership.

42 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Considering Hargrave's contract is $39 million for 3 years, you're clearly wrong. 

Hargrave, 27, agreed to a three-year deal worth $39 million, according to a league source. The first two years of the contract are guaranteed, a total of $26 million, $11.75M of that coming immediately from his signing bonus.Mar 19, 2020
 

Robby Anderson is signing a two-year contract with the Carolina Panthers, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported. The deal is worth $20 million, with $12 million in 2020, Rapoport added. The New York Daily News first reported the signing.Mar 24, 2020

 

Hargrave is making more guaranteed money, more money per year and more money over the length of his contract...

So yeah, you’re wrong. It would have been cheaper to sign Anderson.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Whether this is true or not is unknown, But it would explain why Jeff gives Howie a pass. something I alluded to earlier. That possibly Howie was making the Moves DOUG wanted. 

 

It would explain why Doug is gone and Howie is still here. Or it's just an excuse to take heat off of Howie. 

 

 

Spin Doctors

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

Hargrave, 27, agreed to a three-year deal worth $39 million, according to a league source. The first two years of the contract are guaranteed, a total of $26 million, $11.75M of that coming immediately from his signing bonus.

Sounds good to me. He looks to be well worth it to have a good partner for Cox. 27? Thought he was older... even better!

The Kist and Solak Show was a fun listen. Kist said he was told off the record that Scangarello is a huge A-hole and that he was a Howie hire. So Doug can’t even pick his own coaching staff and was stuck having to listen to A-hole he never wanted. 

4 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Hargrave, 27, agreed to a three-year deal worth $39 million, according to a league source. The first two years of the contract are guaranteed, a total of $26 million, $11.75M of that coming immediately from his signing bonus.Mar 19, 2020
 

Robby Anderson is signing a two-year contract with the Carolina Panthers, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported. The deal is worth $20 million, with $12 million in 2020, Rapoport added. The New York Daily News first reported the signing.Mar 24, 2020

 

Hargrave is making more guaranteed money, more money per year and more money over the length of his contract...

So yeah, you’re wrong. It would have been cheaper to sign Anderson.

 

 

I guess you missed the part where Anderson wanted to be with his old college coach Rhule. So you wouldn't be paying Anderson the $12 million he signed for, but would have to pay a higher premium. 

8 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Was listening to WIP on the drive in to work and they had Mike Garafalo on and he mentioned something about some of the draft picks being Doug's choice and Rhea made a good point saying "Wait.  I am to believe that the guy they wouldn't let pick his own coaching staff, that they'd let him make draft picks?".  So they can spin it how they want, but the buck ends at Howie and he/they aren't owning it.  That's poor leadership.

Exactly. I call BS on Doug dictating draft picks.

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's also a double standard when Pederson is taking the fall for the coaching decisions when apparently they weren't all his. 

only Doug/Jeff knows for sure if they were or weren't his. 

22 minutes ago, greend said:

Sure, blame it on the fired guy

So basically Lurie is blaming Doug for having too much control and messing up the draft picks and Doug had no problem getting fired as he had no control over anything and was always told what to do. This is just a ploy to lessen the heat on Lurie prodigal son.

11 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Was listening to WIP on the drive in to work and they had Mike Garafalo on and he mentioned something about some of the draft picks being Doug's choice and Rhea made a good point saying "Wait.  I am to believe that the guy they wouldn't let pick his own coaching staff, that they'd let him make draft picks?".  So they can spin it how they want, but the buck ends at Howie and he/they aren't owning it.  That's poor leadership.

we can only speculate, Doug, Howie and Jeff and some inside the building, know the truth. It would explain, why Howie is still there and Doug is gone. That makes sense from that angle if it was true.If this story comes from the scouts, then it is likely true. If it comes from Jeff? Who knows. 

If it's not true. Then you have to assume, that this story is to protect Howie out of a undying love that Lurie has for him. 

Either could be true. 

Eberflus getting that job would also be a win.

7 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Exactly. I call BS on Doug dictating draft picks.

Dictating? No.
Strongly advocating? Yes. Most coaches are very specific on 1st round picks. 

If they get Dan Campbell, wow.

2 hours ago, purplefiggy said:

I don’t look at this as a power struggle - Doug vs Wentz - at all. I think this is a clash of philosophies between Doug (go for it every year) and The org (time to strip it down and reset).  

carson still may not be part of that process  

I thought it was interesting how Jeffrey admitted they knew full well that keeping the band together was going to create future pain (what we are feeling now) and that they were sort of making a deal with the devil to chase a 2nd Lombardi. 
 

I think Doug is still trying to keep that band playing on offense and Jeffrey is saying "nope, time to blow it up,”. I still think, depending on what offers they might get, that Carson could be here for the long term rebuild or turn into assets for the rebuild. 

Yup.  This was much more about Doug vs. Howie/Lurie (Lowie?  @eagle45 ).

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess you missed the part where Anderson wanted to be with his old college coach Rhule. So you wouldn't be paying Anderson the $12 million he signed for, but would have to pay a higher premium. 

Maybe, maybe not. That could have just been reported because that’s the best offer he got.

At the end of it, money talks. Had the Eagles secured slightly more money as guaranteed or slightly increased the base of his contract, I have no doubt it would have swayed him to Philadelphia. Either way, it would have likely been cheaper than Hargrave, who was a complete luxury to the defense, where as Anderson was a complete necessity to the offense and WR group.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Trading for Anderson instead of Tate would have been the better move. Then maybe you could have extended Anderson and avoided a lot of this WR nonsense we're in now.

But I don't believe Anderson was an option in FA. I seem to recall he wanted to reunite with Rhule, and a quick Google seems to confirm this:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/how-matt-rhule-recruited-robby-anderson-to-sign-with-panthers

Would you have paid more than $12 million a year to get him? How much more would it have cost considering it seems he wanted to be Rhule as well? 

Yes, I would have... and I would have had the money available, because I wouldn't have had to give that money to Desean, and I wouldn't have restructured Alshon's stupid deal.  Plenty of money available ear-marked for WR.  I could have easily made the extension part of the condition of the trade for a 2nd round pick.  And then Matt Rhule isn't even a part of the equation.   So, it likely wouldn't have cost much more than $12M at all.   

3 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Maybe, maybe not. That could have just been reported because that’s the best offer he got.

At the end of it, money talks. Had the Eagles secured slightly more money as guaranteed or slightly increased the base of his contract, I have no doubt it would have swayed him to Philadelphia. Either way, it would have likely been cheaper than Hargrave, who was a complete luxury to the defense, where as Anderson was a complete necessity to the offense and WR group.

Sure, you can make up your own narrative all you like, but I'll take the guys involved at their word, and use a bit of common sense. 

52 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Didn't catch a lot of the game last night, but some in here mentioned Wyatt Davis went down? Any news there? Could he fall to us in the 2nd? 

I haven't heard, but it was a left knee injury and looked to be pretty painful and bad considering that he wasn't really putting pressure on it at the time he went down.   He caught his left foot on a DL leg as he was moving to the second level, and then just went down awkwardly.  No clue how severe, but definitely looks bad...   And as high as I am on Wyatt Davis, I would be skeptical to take him in Round 2.   I don't want a repeat of Sydney Jones.  But, I'd feel great about him in Round 3.  At that point, the risk/reward equation just goes wild.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, I would have... and I would have had the money available, because I wouldn't have had to give that money to Desean, and I wouldn't have restructured Alshon's stupid deal.  Plenty of money available ear-marked for WR.  I could have easily made the extension part of the condition of the trade for a 2nd round pick.  And then Matt Rhule isn't even a part of the equation.   So, it likely wouldn't have cost much more than $12M at all.   

Well this I agree on, the contracts to Alshon and Desean were horrible, and I would agree to have sunk $15 million into RA if he would've come for that amount. But once we had the sunk costs into AJ and DJ, I think adding Anderson at more than what he got from Carolina would have been near impossible. 

If they really hire a college coach I’ll definitely think Lurie has lost it.