7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

The premise of the Duce part of the article is that the Eagles might not want to offer Duce the HC job because he would hold Wentz accountable. 

I wish Domo's sources went into more detail on the team "getting away with stuff the public doesn't know about."

The most interesting part of the article to me was the cut and dry Lincoln Riley denial and Duce being offered the OC job for the 2018 season.

I wish Domo had sources. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

I wish Domo had sources. 

You're just saying that because of the Carson stuff. How do you think Carson is in the locker room?

The media is pissed at Wentz for declining to interview after the season. We’ll continue to get hit piece after hit piece because he hurt these losers ego’s. Gotta love anonymous "sources” these days, just lets these activists, oops reporters, say whatever they want.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was tongue in cheek 

Ok so now you've extricated Doug and Carson. Pretty much the only thing that ever brought you anything.  "Someday" you'll have to explain to the rest of us your rationale. 

Happy 2021. Girl, don't go away mad. 

 

If duce brought anything different to the offense as assistant hc

Then why did they bring in that committe

I think he deserves a little of the blame besides doug

33 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

You're just saying that because of the Carson stuff. How do you think Carson is in the locker room?

How the hell would I know? Serious question. Nobody here knows a damn thing about the locker room and I don't rely on anonymous sources.  

Feels like today is the day. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

Well bro as a manager now for 30 something years I'll tell you this. I would rather take over a store that is a complete mess versus one that is top of the line. Only one way to go when a stores on top. However if you can see the problems and can fix the problems the sky is the limit from the bottom

This makes sense, provided you have the opportunity and resources to take that store/team/entity to the top.  A good example would be Jacksonville, which starts with some talent in hand, the top pick in the draft, control (with new GM brought on board to help manage personnel).  Many reasons why that job was attractive to urban meyer.

The constraints on the Eagles right now -- state of the roster, lack of young talent, the salary cap being a disaster, the ownership and personnel leadership situation, the recent corroborated reports of meddling in the head coaches staff and undermining his decisions, the QB situation -- just to name a few, lol -- make this the furthest thing from a quick turnaround situation.

 

For those of you that have the undying need to try and find fault with Wentz. This is one reason I doubt he's a bad team mate. 

 

1 minute ago, John_C said:

This makes sense, provided you have the opportunity and resources to take that store/team/entity to the top.  A good example would be Jacksonville, which starts with some talent in hand, the top pick in the draft, control (with new GM brought on board to help manage personnel).  Many reasons why that job was attractive to urban meyer.

The constraints on the Eagles right now -- state of the roster, lack of young talent, the salary cap being a disaster, the ownership and personnel leadership situation, the recent corroborated reports of meddling in the head coaches staff and undermining his decisions, the QB situation -- just to name a few, lol -- make this the furthest thing from a quick turnaround situation.

 

More of a challenge the bigger of a hero you will be. I doesn't seem like very many coaches turned down the opportunity to interview. I don't think it's as bad as some think. But I guess we'll find out. 

1 hour ago, John_C said:

Interesting, I haven’t thought much about the relative success rates of college coaches in the NFL.  I remember the obvious failures but they are contrasted with the Jimmy Johnson cowboys era.

I think of Spurrier, Saban, visor moron etc. as the cautionary tales, and yes I know there are others.

Besides Johnson, there is the recent example of Jim Harbaugh, who was an excellent coach for the 49ers after what he did at Stanford.  Also Pete Caroll at USC but I recognize he is like 80 and has coached a bunch in both leagues.

I’m not at all against a college coach, it’s more about the coach to me... are they a leader, do they work in a "system” or do they work off the players they have and implement systems to maximize strengths, etc.  Can they lead men, or are they taskmasters of young boys (visor idiot) etc.  I’m on the record saying Urban Meyer will be a success as HC in the NFL.

Johnson is the only one I could come up with that ever worked that had exactly zero NFL experience, as a player or coach.  Someone else mentioned Switzer, because of his Super Bowl, but truthfully, he didn't do anything with that team.  He just let the coordinators run it and didn't get in the way.   Then it fell apart... fast.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Feels like today is the day. 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Feels like today is the day. 

I'm Sticking with a New HC will be in the works by end of day Friday. Meaning we will know who that is. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Johnson is the only one I could come up with that ever worked that had exactly zero NFL experience, as a player or coach.  Someone else mentioned Switzer, because of his Super Bowl, but truthfully, he didn't do anything with that team.  He just let the coordinators run it and didn't get in the way.   Then it fell apart... fast.

Dick Vermeil. Bill Walsh.

1 hour ago, John_C said:

Interesting, I haven’t thought much about the relative success rates of college coaches in the NFL.  I remember the obvious failures but they are contrasted with the Jimmy Johnson cowboys era.

I think of Spurrier, Saban, visor moron etc. as the cautionary tales, and yes I know there are others.

Besides Johnson, there is the recent example of Jim Harbaugh, who was an excellent coach for the 49ers after what he did at Stanford.  Also Pete Caroll at USC but I recognize he is like 80 and has coached a bunch in both leagues.

I’m not at all against a college coach, it’s more about the coach to me... are they a leader, do they work in a "system” or do they work off the players they have and implement systems to maximize strengths, etc.  Can they lead men, or are they taskmasters of young boys (visor idiot) etc.  I’m on the record saying Urban Meyer will be a success as HC in the NFL.

Harbaugh was a NFL QB for 14 years, and a QB coach for 2 years. Not the same as Riley.

Top college coaches tend to win as much on recruiting as coaching, and it's a shock to go to the NFL and realize that measures to encourage parity work against that.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Nonsense.  This is a hit job on the organization from someone who has no grasp on what the process is.  Lurie already told the media this will not be a race to hire the first coach — it will be a wide net and may take until early February, and "that’s great”

So, this turd decides because the Eagles "took longer than five minutes to fill the job” that this is Wentz’s fault?  Duce would hold the players (including Wentz) accountable where Doug wouldn’t?

Since he obviously, by the point of the article, wants Staley to be the head coach — what is Duce’s expertise on QB development?  What are Duce’s qualifications drawing up scheme?  You think the players are texting Lurie lobbying for Duce because they can’t wait for him to lay down the law?  This caliber of crap reporting — to both Wentz and McDaniels really — gives the Philly media their well-earned status of tabloid-garbage.

Who do you think is the more qualified head coaching candidate — McDaniels, or Duce.  Even if McDaniels has a well-deserved stain for his Colts fiasco, at least 75% of NFL teams would choose McDaniels over Duce.  Domowitch loses all credibility by suggesting otherwise 

I would have read the article, but the synopsis told me everything I needed to know.  Lots of speculation based on no named sources and tea leaf reading.   I know they need to write something, but that doesn't mean I will take the time to read it.   

If its true that Staley turned down the OC job because it didn't include play calling, then he should have been looking for a job elsewhere.  Everyone knew he wasn't going to get play calling duties with Doug as the HC.  So, he was bumped up as high as he was willing to go.   Of course, he could have taken the OC job, and then looked for a lateral move for an OC job with play calling after his contract ran out.  OR, told Jeff he wanted out to seek play calling opportunities.   The way I see it, Duce put up his own glass ceiling within this organization with that decision.  Oh well.  We all make decisions in life, and those decisions have consequences.  Then we have to live with those consequences.

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Dick Vermeil. Bill Walsh.

Not Walsh:

Walsh began his pro coaching career in 1966 as an assistant with the AFL's Oakland Raiders. As a Raider assistant, Walsh was trained in the vertical passing offense favored by Al Davis, putting Walsh in Davis's mentor Sid Gillman's coaching tree.

In 1967 Walsh was the head coach and general manager of the San Jose Apaches of the Continental Football League (CFL). Walsh led the Apaches to 2nd place in the Pacific Division. Prior to the start of the 1968 CFL season the Apaches ceased all football operations.

In 1968, Walsh moved to the AFL expansion Cincinnati Bengals. Walsh spent eight seasons as an assistant with the Bengals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Walsh_(American_football_coach)

And not Vermeil

Vermeil shares the distinction of being hired as one of the NFL's first special teams coaches with Hall of Fame Coach Marv Levy.^[3] Vermeil was hired by George Allen's Los Angeles Rams in 1969 the same year Levy was hired by Jerry Williams, then Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Except for 1970, when Vermeil was an assistant coach with UCLA, he would remain with the Rams until 1974 when he was named as head coach by UCLA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Vermeil

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure the eagles have the personnel to run the 12 personnel with ertz gone and who knows with dick rod. Legitimately the eagles have one TE on the roster thats definitively here for 2021 and that’s goedert. Also the colts had 3 tight ends they really liked. Moe Allie-Cox, burton and Jack Doyle (plus togiai that the eagles lost because they played stupid with alshon). The colts actually as the season moved on this year used more 11 personnel as Pittman developed. They were running pascal, Hilton and Pittman out there more later in the season then early when Hilton was banged up and Pittman wasn’t ready. Also i did love how reich used hines and as the season went on Taylor in the pass game. People want sanders more involved in the passing game there were games where hines and taylor were used and targeted like 10-15 times where they exploited the linebacker matchup 

The trouble is, they really don't have the personnel to go 11 either.  They are lacking offensive playmakers in a big way.

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

The premise of the Duce part of the article is that the Eagles might not want to offer Duce the HC job because he would hold Wentz accountable. 

I wish Domo's sources went into more detail on the team "getting away with stuff the public doesn't know about."

The most interesting part of the article to me was the cut and dry Lincoln Riley denial and Duce being offered the OC job for the 2018 season.

What sources?  Mark my words... Lincoln Riley will fail in the NFL as a HC if he comes in without any NFL experience of any kind.

Where were these Wentz is a bad dude stories as Wentz was the odds on favorite for MVP in 2017?   I didn't see any back then, and that's supposedly when Duce made his decision.  So, was Duce scared of Wentz?  Because at that point, there might have been friction, but that friction worked!   

 

1 hour ago, greend said:

I wish Domo had sources. 

Yup.   

 

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

You're just saying that because of the Carson stuff. How do you think Carson is in the locker room?

No, he's not.  And only the people in the locker room know how Carson is in the locker room.  And I've never heard anyone who put their name to it actually say a negative thing.   I have heard players who would put their name (and face) to it come to his defense and support him.   So, I'll listen to people with spines and I'll ignore those jellyfish who don't have the cajones to stand up for what they want to put out to the media.

The way you guys talk, there isn’t a single beat writer with legit sources and they all are just making it up for clicks. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The trouble is, they really don't have the personnel to go 11 either.  They are lacking offensive playmakers in a big way.

One of the reasons i like sirianni more and more is when i read articles about him he has done a good job developing younger players both with the chargers and colts. He’s been given a lot of credit by both organizations for the development of the chargers WRs and the younger skill players the colts have. Clearly it’s not all on him but he’s had a good hand in it. This team needs that going forward.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What sources?  Mark my words... Lincoln Riley will fail in the NFL as a HC if he comes in without any NFL experience of any kind.

Where were these Wentz is a bad dude stories as Wentz was the odds on favorite for MVP in 2017?   I didn't see any back then, and that's supposedly when Duce made his decision.  So, was Duce scared of Wentz?  Because at that point, there might have been friction, but that friction worked!   

 

Yup.   

 

No, he's not.  And only the people in the locker room know how Carson is in the locker room.  And I've never heard anyone who put their name to it actually say a negative thing.   I have heard players who would put their name (and face) to it come to his defense and support him.   So, I'll listen to people with spines and I'll ignore those jellyfish who don't have the cajones to stand up for what they want to put out to the media.

Spines? What active player would openly trash the $100 million QB no matter how bad the situation was? Not great for your career at all. 

Completely dismissing these reports due to the anonymity of the sources is silly.

15 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Dick Vermeil. Bill Walsh.

Both had NFL experience before getting the HC job.

Dick was a defensive assistant with the Rams in 1969, then again 1971-1973.   When he was hired as the HC here, he had NFL experience at the assistant level, and HC experience at UCLA.   

Walsh was with the Raiders (AFL), then went to Cincinnati and worked under Paul Brown for about 8 years, then San Diego... then Stanford, then back to the NFL.

 

Night and day.   I am talking about guys with ZERO NFL experience making the leap to the NFL from NCAA... like Chip did, or Lou Holtz.  I've never heard of one other than Jimmy Johnson that worked out.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Spines? What active player would openly trash the $100 million QB no matter how bad the situation was? Not great for your career at all. 

Completely dismissing these reports due to the anonymity of the sources is silly.

Well, hiding behind Josina has done wonders for Alshon's career.  

 

Here's a crazy thought... try this one on for size:  "If you don't have something nice to say (about your $100M QB), then don't say anything in public."    

What's sillier is buying everything they say hook, line and sinker.  If everything they said was true and not a personal axe to grind, then stand behind it.   If not, then keep your mouth shut in public and deal with your issues in house... face to face with the person you see as the problem, like a man does.   Don't go slinking off to air your grieves in public.  It never helps the situation.