5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Spines? What active player would openly trash the $100 million QB no matter how bad the situation was? Not great for your career at all. 

Completely dismissing these reports due to the anonymity of the sources is silly.

Jennings and Finley had no problem ripping Rodgers once they were off the Packers, so I guess we'll find out sooner or later. My guess is they still cower behind anonymous.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The way you guys talk, there isn’t a single beat writer with legit sources and they all are just making it up for clicks. 

You must be new to being an Eagles fan. Most of the people covering this team are hacks.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The way you guys talk, there isn’t a single beat writer with legit sources and they all are just making it up for clicks. 

Real "Journalism" died years ago with the advent of Social Media, and News Entertainment networks.

Anonymous sources could be anyone, a Janitor, Alshon, the Waterboy, or another "journalist". So even if there was an actual source, it doesn't mean it's a reliable one. When ever the source isn't named you have to be very cautious with todays journalism in putting any weight behind any anonymous source, especially if it goes against the actual records of what others are saying in plain view out in the open using their name and rep. Guys like Cox, Kelce etc, who all came out and supported Wentz ON THE RECORD. While anonymous source says differently. If any of these rumors are true, why not just come out in public? (Likely because they aren't and it's a salty player or whatever who has an axe to grind)

It is what it is. But I'd rather take it from guys who are man enough to tell you how it is, with their name tied to it. 

 

Thats is why most of us have an issue with this kind of crap. 

 

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Not Walsh:

Walsh began his pro coaching career in 1966 as an assistant with the AFL's Oakland Raiders. As a Raider assistant, Walsh was trained in the vertical passing offense favored by Al Davis, putting Walsh in Davis's mentor Sid Gillman's coaching tree.

In 1967 Walsh was the head coach and general manager of the San Jose Apaches of the Continental Football League (CFL). Walsh led the Apaches to 2nd place in the Pacific Division. Prior to the start of the 1968 CFL season the Apaches ceased all football operations.

In 1968, Walsh moved to the AFL expansion Cincinnati Bengals. Walsh spent eight seasons as an assistant with the Bengals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Walsh_(American_football_coach)

And not Vermeil

Vermeil shares the distinction of being hired as one of the NFL's first special teams coaches with Hall of Fame Coach Marv Levy.^[3] Vermeil was hired by George Allen's Los Angeles Rams in 1969 the same year Levy was hired by Jerry Williams, then Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Except for 1970, when Vermeil was an assistant coach with UCLA, he would remain with the Rams until 1974 when he was named as head coach by UCLA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Vermeil

Oh well.

Just now, Ipiggles said:

Real "Journalism" died years ago with the advent of Social Media, and News Entertainment networks.

Anonymous sources could be anyone, a Janitor, Alshon, the Waterboy, or another "journalist". So even if there was an actual source, it doesn't mean it's a reliable one. When ever the source isn't named you have to be very cautious with todays journalism in putting any weight behind any anonymous source, especially if it goes against the actual records of what others are saying in plain view out in the open using their name and rep. Guys like Cox, Kelce etc, who all came out and supported Wentz ON THE RECORD. While anonymous source says differently. If any of these rumors are true, why not just come out in public? (Likely because they aren't and it's a salty player or whatever who has an axe to grind)

It is what it is. But I'd rather take it from guys who are man enough to tell you how it is, with their name tied to it. 

 

Thats is why most of us have an issue with this kind of crap. 

 

Bobby Boucher would never do this. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh, yeah.  The Philly media has a long storied history of never ever doing that.....

By the time you read this... 

Sirianni seems like the WTAF appointment because he's not from the Reid tree and doesn't have a media buzz around him as the Colts aren't a cool organisation in the NFL.  But you peek beneath the surface and there is a lot to like - as described earlier on.  And he'd bring a fresh perspective without the whole best mates colleague thing.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Real "Journalism" died years ago with the advent of Social Media, and News Entertainment networks.

Anonymous sources could be anyone, a Janitor, Alshon, the Waterboy, or another "journalist". So even if there was an actual source, it doesn't mean it's a reliable one. When ever the source isn't named you have to be very cautious with todays journalism in putting any weight behind any anonymous source, especially if it goes against the actual records of what others are saying in plain view out in the open using their name and rep. Guys like Cox, Kelce etc, who all came out and supported Wentz ON THE RECORD. While anonymous source says differently. If any of these rumors are true, why not just come out in public? (Likely because they aren't and it's a salty player or whatever who has an axe to grind)

It is what it is. But I'd rather take it from guys who are man enough to tell you how it is, with their name tied to it. 

 

Thats is why most of us have an issue with this kind of crap. 

 

I'm sure that if there is anything to be said, Jason Kelce will likely say it once he retires.  But, I'll bet that anything he says would be far more measured than the implications we've seen in these anonymous reports.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

By the time you read this... 

Eckel got screwed over on that one. He had the scoop and the Bentley camp backed out after it went to press. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Eckel got screwed over on that one. He had the scoop and the Bentley camp backed out after it went to press. 

He reported it was a certainty.  It was a highly likely probability, but Cleveland (his hometown team) came in with an 11th hour offer and he had the chance to go home and play.   Until you've signed on the dotted line, you aren't signed.  Frank Gore proved that.  

 

Report the facts, not what the facts will be in the future.   If he had gone to press with the report that it was all but a done deal, rather than a certainty, he'd have never taken the flap he did.  But, he chose to frame it the way he did, and he's gotten skewered for it ever since.  Its almost like reporters are trying to embellish the story... because it sells better.    If the story had started, "Late reports indicate that LeCharles Bentley will be signed as soon as today..." and then gone on from there, no one would have hammered him on it.   Even if he had said "LeCharles Bentley and the Eagles have agreed to terms of a contract... "  he'd have been fine.  But, he went for the big opening line, and it backfired.  Bad job, Mark.   Write the story better next time, and give yourself the out for a player changing his mind before he signs.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, hiding behind Josina has done wonders for Alshon's career.  

 

Here's a crazy thought... try this one on for size:  "If you don't have something nice to say (about your $100M QB), then don't say anything in public."    

What's sillier is buying everything they say hook, line and sinker.  If everything they said was true and not a personal axe to grind, then stand behind it.   If not, then keep your mouth shut in public and deal with your issues in house... face to face with the person you see as the problem, like a man does.   Don't go slinking off to air your grieves in public.  It never helps the situation.  

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bobby Boucher would never do this. 

Mama said if you dont have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He reported it was a certainty.  It was a highly likely probability, but Cleveland (his hometown team) came in with an 11th hour offer and he had the chance to go home and play.   Until you've signed on the dotted line, you aren't signed.  Frank Gore proved that.  

 

Report the facts, not what the facts will be in the future.   If he had gone to press with the report that it was all but a done deal, rather than a certainty, he'd have never taken the flap he did.  But, he chose to frame it the way he did, and he's gotten skewered for it ever since.  Its almost like reporters are trying to embellish the story... because it sells better.    If the story had started, "Late reports indicate that LeCharles Bentley will be signed as soon as today..." and then gone on from there, no one would have hammered him on it.   Even if he had said "LeCharles Bentley and the Eagles have agreed to terms of a contract... "  he'd have been fine.  But, he went for the big opening line, and it backfired.  Bad job, Mark.   Write the story better next time, and give yourself the out for a player changing his mind before he signs.

The opening line was bad, sure, but he was told for a long time it was done. The Eagles thought it was done. Then the Bentley camp reneged. 

To skewer the guy for it 20 years later like it’s a black eye on journalism is wild. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm sure that if there is anything to be said, Jason Kelce will likely say it once he retires.  But, I'll bet that anything he says would be far more measured than the implications we've seen in these anonymous reports.

Chris Long has been a pretty outspoken guy, both while playing and certainly since he retired. I don't think he's ever said anything about Wentz being a bad teammate or anything of the sort. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The opening line was bad, sure, but he was told for a long time it was done. The Eagles thought it was done. Then the Bentley camp reneged. 

To skewer the guy for it 20 years later like it’s a black eye on journalism is wild. 

Like I said, it isn't done until the player signs on the line.  "agreed to terms" is a term used for a reason.   It allows for a change of heart.  He wanted to be first, rather than to have the story right.   <--- and that is the problem with journalism today and why so many Tweets now have to be backtracked.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Chris Long has been a pretty outspoken guy, both while playing and certainly since he retired. I don't think he's ever said anything about Wentz being a bad teammate or anything of the sort. 

Correct.  

I loved the media’s reporting of one of the greatest free agent signings in eagles history

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like I said, it isn't done until the player signs on the line.  "agreed to terms" is a term used for a reason.   It allows for a change of heart.  He wanted to be first, rather than to have the story right.   <--- and that is the problem with journalism today and why so many Tweets now have to be backtracked.

Correct.  

I had to look it up just to be sure, and Long seems incredibly level headed:

"They just paid [Wentz] in 2019. After the game, people are asking - Doug says he doesn't bench him because it would be the wrong move for the football team, it would signal something, it would send a clear message that this thing is over. 

"I think for one, [Doug]'s acknowledging that Hurts doesn't necessarily look any better. [...] But more importantly, Jeffery Lurie loves Carson. And I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong, but the owner likes the quarterback. And I think Doug likes the quarterback, too. I don't know what Doug thinks, if Doug plays a favorite with Carson, I don't know if Jim Schwartz likes Carson, I don't know if Howie likes Carson at this juncture - I don't talk to this people, okay? But the owner likes Carson. 

"And right now, if I'm the owner, I'm looking down and saying, 'What happened to my MVP?' Right? Because he was on an MVP track in 2017. He hasn't looked the same. If it's just injury, it's just injury. But you also just paid him in 2019, a year and a half ago, you broke him off to be the quarterback of the future, and now you can't get anything out of him? You see what I'm saying? 

 

"Carson is absolutely to blame for his mistakes. He needs to fix them. He needs to be smarter with the football. He needs to be less stubborn. He knows that, I think, until he makes these mistakes. Until something clicks. Be more decisive. [...] But something's going on, whether it's schematic, physical, or it's just the personnel, where it's a train wreck. You just paid him a year ago. So either acknowledge that you made a huge mistake, or that you're not getting everything that you're getting out of this quarterback."

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

there's different ideas/concepts within 12 that Doug never picked up. 

If you noted Doug never ran(or very very rarely) ran DG down the seam which he did a lot with Gronk. Doug never rolled Wentz out so he could get his tight ends on crossers. 

Doug used the 12 personnel like it was 1981 with 8 yard curl routes while the QB stood still in the pocket. 

 

Saying Doug and McDaniels used the same 12 concept is like saying my 5 year old and phil collins are the same because they both play drums 

Where did i compare Doug’s 12 personnel to mcdaniels? He stated sirianni liked 12 personnel so it was a no go for him in jest. I responded mcdaniels also liked using 12 personnel for a few years then again after he got Bennett. Like either you don’t know how Fing read and follow the whole convo or you wanted to go off on a tangent no one freaking talked about. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Right, your comparing McDaniels, Dougs and Sirianni's 12 personnel. Terrible comparison. 

Where did i compare them? All i said was mcdaniels likes using 12 personnel as well and has used it when he had gronk and Hernandez and then again with gronk and Bennett. Again where did i compare them? I didn’t so good job making up your own narrative.

21 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I had to look it up just to be sure, and Long seems incredibly level headed:

"They just paid [Wentz] in 2019. After the game, people are asking - Doug says he doesn't bench him because it would be the wrong move for the football team, it would signal something, it would send a clear message that this thing is over. 

"I think for one, [Doug]'s acknowledging that Hurts doesn't necessarily look any better. [...] But more importantly, Jeffery Lurie loves Carson. And I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong, but the owner likes the quarterback. And I think Doug likes the quarterback, too. I don't know what Doug thinks, if Doug plays a favorite with Carson, I don't know if Jim Schwartz likes Carson, I don't know if Howie likes Carson at this juncture - I don't talk to this people, okay? But the owner likes Carson. 

"And right now, if I'm the owner, I'm looking down and saying, 'What happened to my MVP?' Right? Because he was on an MVP track in 2017. He hasn't looked the same. If it's just injury, it's just injury. But you also just paid him in 2019, a year and a half ago, you broke him off to be the quarterback of the future, and now you can't get anything out of him? You see what I'm saying?

"Carson is absolutely to blame for his mistakes. He needs to fix them. He needs to be smarter with the football. He needs to be less stubborn. He knows that, I think, until he makes these mistakes. Until something clicks. Be more decisive. [...] But something's going on, whether it's schematic, physical, or it's just the personnel, where it's a train wreck. You just paid him a year ago. So either acknowledge that you made a huge mistake, or that you're not getting everything that you're getting out of this quarterback."

That's why you go with Wentz this year with a new HC and OC, and see if you can fix him. You have nothing to lose, it's a rebuilding season, as long as you have a stable OL you can get a good read whether you should go forward with him or a new direction.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like I said, it isn't done until the player signs on the line.  "agreed to terms" is a term used for a reason.   It allows for a change of heart.  He wanted to be first, rather than to have the story right.   <--- and that is the problem with journalism today and why so many Tweets now have to be backtracked.

Correct.  

Honestly I don't fault him for that one at least that was going to happen. I was disappointed at the time but I can see how that happened. I do however have a problem with unnamed sources that could just have an axe to grind or just be non existent to begin with.

Football players are big "macho" guys that are rarely afraid of much, if they have a problem with player X take it to him man to man. Kinda like you said. To leak a story to the press without putting your name there seems pretty childish unless it was some 3rd string nobody that wasn't with the team long.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Ok bud. You just randomly brought up the idea that someone who wasnt involved in the conversation also ran the 12. Got it

Ummm actually wasn’t randomly brought up if you follow the convo with how it started. Again i didn’t compare them.i stated both mcdaniels and sirianni liked to do 12 personnel after he dismissed sirianni for running 12

 But keep moving the goal posts and making up narratives like you always do. It’s why people treat the way they do on here. Bud 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Not at all bud. I read the statement. He said he didnt want Siranni cause he ran the 12. Then you randomly brought up another guy who also ran 12. Almost like you were comparing 3 head coaches attached to this team who ran 12. But, like you mentioned, it was just a random thought and had nothing to do with the the other guys who also ran 12. 

Yeah i said it cause if you dismiss sirianni for running 12 personnel you would have to also dismiss mcdaniels cause he likes to run it as well. Hence what he did with sirianni originally and then explained why mcdaniels used it. Then i explained sirianni used it cause it was his personnel he was given as they had 3 tight ends they really liked. Again not a tough concept to see why as those are the two top candidates at the moment with duce. Seriously you have some agenda  you wanted to go into that no one talked about or cares about. I never once compared how they implemented and plays from 12 personnel. i said both liked to use the 12 personnel. I know reading what’s actually there instead of making up a narrative you want to be there.  

 

12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I remember about 10 years ago.  My wife and I had to take our daughter to Barnes and Noble for a book she needed for school.  It was the middle of winter, cold as hell in Altoona Pa.  When we walked in, I saw the nice comfy seats and couches over by the Starbucks in the bookstore.  I told the wife, "while you guys are looking, I’ll be sitting over there”.  Fast forward however many minutes later, could have been 10, could have been an hour.  Anyway, I was woken up by my daughter saying....”dad, mom’s in line she told me to come wake you up.  You were snoring, you’re so embarrassing ”.   At that point.....I knew I arrived.   

I cannot imagine falling asleep in a bookstore.  Loved the comfortable chairs though.  Nowadays if I venture in a Barnes and Noble I carry my tablet and rarely walk out without several new books downloaded.  I dread that my electronic reading will kill bookstores.  Love browsing there but e-reading is my preferred methodology now.  

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/06/carson-wentz-covid-19-donation-coronavirus-ao1/

 

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