11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So your admitting that your lumping all 3 in the same category. got it. Thank you. Christ all mighty. It's ok to be wrong. 
 

 

*EDIT* It's laughable to think all 3 are in the same boat, and just because you don't like Doug's 12,  it means YOU MUST NOT LIKE EVERYON ELSES 12.

 

Where did i lump doug pederson even in there? Seriously where did i mention doug once? Christ all mighty can you make anything more up in your narrative. I did say the eagles might not even be able to run it next year as goedert is the only definitive tight end back next year  

seriously quote me where i show how they actually run their 12 personnel plays? I’ll wait it isn’t there. This should be fun. I said mcdaniels runs 12 personnel so if you dismiss sirianni for just using 12 personnel then you’d have to do that with mcndaniels as he has shown to do that too  

And want to talk about being wrong I’m still waiting for Odell Beckham Jr. is a top 10 wide receiver in the league even though Baker Mayfield without him played immensely better and hasn’t been in what 3-4 years. Or that Chase Claypool is jag.... so you ready to tell me it’s ok to be wrong lol 

wow just wow. Where did I even say I didn’t like using 12 personnel? I made the point to him if you’re going to dismiss one candidate for running 12 personnel because you didn’t like using 12 personnel that’s ridiculous cause Mcdaniels ran 12 personnel. Seriously the narratives and hoops to jump through to get to your conclusion is laughable. 

 

Man, I was seeing a patient and my phone was buzzing like crazy so I thought we got a new coach. 

Turns out just a work text message chain I didn’t need to be a part of. 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) Who knows what OBJ is, he got hurt. We shall see next year, and I'm okwith calling him top 10

2) Yes I think the guy whos tied for 50th in the league in catches, 3rd on his team in catches and really only had 1 monster game is a JAG RIGHT NOW 

Finally, I dont think you get what a comparison is. When you lump something together. It means your comparing their similarities. When you say "if you dont want A, you must not want B" because theyre both letters is a broad comparison that isnt true. Just because I dont like Dog Sh!t flavored ice cream, doesnt mean I dont like any other flavored  ice creams. Just because they both run 12(comparison of similarities ) doesn't mean there the same, or you cant like 1 or the other. 

 

have a good one bud. 

I don’t think you know how to read. I never compared the ways that they use their 12 personnel. I said after he responded to not wanting sirianni cause he used 12 personnel that you’d have to dismiss mcdaniels if you don’t like coaches using 12 personnel. OK that’s not lumping them together based on what plays they’re calling out of 12 personnel. It’s lumping them together as if you’re going to dismiss candidates for using that formation then both of them are gone.

Again you have yet to show me where I said I didn’t like using 12 personnel, Or the plays called out of 12 personnel are the same or different or where I even mention doug in here.

the narratives and hoops you make to get to your conclusion is completely not there. buddy 

i’m just gonna keep asking you this question until you answer it where did I say I did not like 12 personnel cause of doug? Please show me where I said that. Cause it’s not there. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Man, I was seeing a patient and my phone was buzzing like crazy so I thought we got a new coach. 

Turns out just a work text message chain I didn’t need to be a part of. 

That is just the worst. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Daboll better establish the run so the passing game can work. 

21 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I cannot imagine falling asleep in a bookstore.  Loved the comfortable chairs though.  Nowadays if I venture in a Barnes and Noble I carry my tablet and rarely walk out without several new books downloaded.  I dread that my electronic reading will kill bookstores.  Love browsing there but e-reading is my preferred methodology now.  

B&N is one of my favorite stores.  They've really adapted now to include games, Lego's, music (including vinyl) and much more.  Unfortunately, I can't find the link but there was an article I read around Christmas time talking about even though e-books seem to be the thing, paperback book sales still dominate.  Nothing like paging through fresh pages.  My parents are avid readers and love their Kindle's for traveling and such but at home it's paperback.   I'm old school in the fact that I want to hold the physical book.  I also prefer writing out my notes via paper rather than using electronic devices. 

BAM! is a pretty cool knock off B&N too. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Honestly I don't fault him for that one at least that was going to happen. I was disappointed at the time but I can see how that happened. I do however have a problem with unnamed sources that could just have an axe to grind or just be non existent to begin with.

Football players are big "macho" guys that are rarely afraid of much, if they have a problem with player X take it to him man to man. Kinda like you said. To leak a story to the press without putting your name there seems pretty childish unless it was some 3rd string nobody that wasn't with the team long.

It's still the race to be the first to put something out.  When you are first, then others cite your story, and then your story becomes the source.  Too much hot takes, too much going with the unverified sources, too much just going with one voice who's unwilling to stand behind the words.

 

Orlando Scandrick, whom we all might take issue with, at least had the guts to put his name and his face to his criticism.   And some of what he said seems to fit well now... seems like in large part, they were living off that Super Bowl.   Well, that is ALL long dead now.  There might be as few as (or fewer than) 5 players left at the end of this purge (meaning coming back for the 2022 season) who were actually on the field for that game.

 

Johnson, Brooks, Kelce, Ertz, Clement, Jeffery, Cox, Graham, Barnett, Mills, McLeod, Curry, Elliot, Lovato - were all contributors. 

Sudfeld - bench
Seumalo - bench
Gerry - bench
Ward - PS
Wentz - IR
 

Of that group, you can immediately remove: Jeffery and Sudfeld for 2021. 
Ertz is almost a foregone conclusion to be traded this offseason.
Mills, Curry, Clement are highly unlikely to be back.  Maybe Curry at a deep deep discount to just fill out the roster.   
Graham could be moved or retire, almost guaranteed to be gone by 2022 - contract expires in 2021
Kelce could retire before next year, and is a very long shot for 2022 - contract expires in 2021.
Cox could be a trade piece while he still has some value to help with the rebuild.  Unlikely to be here in 2022, but possible.
McLeod becomes movable after 2021, so he's unlikely to be back in 2022, but his knee injury likely means he's around in some capacity in 2021.
Johnson's and Brooks' future beyond 2021 is in doubt.  Does the team look to dump salary and get younger fast? Or do they want to trust the OL to these guys and have youth behind to fill in?
Gerry lost his 2 security blankets - Schwartz and Flajole.
Ward is a guy that they have got to look to upgrade, and if he's still around in 2022, that's a bad sign for the future.  Almost guaranteed in 2021 to be back, I'd put him at almost guaranteed to be gone for 2022.
Wentz' contract becomes more palatably moveable after 2021.

 

Moving forward, the only guys that I would say are more than 90% likely to be on the roster at the start of the 2022 season from that list are:  Seumalo and Lovato.  Barnett and Elliott are about 80%.  Johnson and Brooks I'd put it at about 60%, and less than that that BOTH are back. Cox I would put at about 50%.  Wentz all depends on the coach and if he can be righted... likely under 50%. Graham, Kelce, McLeod... all under 10% to me.

 

In 2022, it might literally be just Barnett, Lovato and Elliott from that Super Bowl team that played in that game.  Seumalo played during the season... and then there's Johnson and Brooks, who's future I see as up in the air.  How deep does the new coach want to cut to rebuild it?   Cox and Wentz are possible, but Wentz wasn't on the field in uniform, just on the sidelines in street clothes, with a cane.

 

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ummm actually wasn’t randomly brought up if you follow the convo with how it started. Again i didn’t compare them.i stated both mcdaniels and sirianni liked to do 12 personnel after he dismissed sirianni for running 12

 But keep moving the goal posts and making up narratives like you always do. It’s why people treat the way they do on here. Bud 

psst...

Lol.  Spot on. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

psst...

Honestly I’m completely lost how the F he got to his narrative. 

Originally poster says don’t want sirianni cause he likes to run 12 personnel. 

my response: well mcdaniels (as he’s the other major candidate) has also liked to run 12 personnel. So you would probably have to not like either one of them if you’re dismissing sirianni for that reason. 

Bacarty: you don’t like 12 personnel and lumping all 3 together cause Doug’s wasn’t good with his  

so no one ever discussed how each 12 personnel are different. Which is a duh statement. The topic was somebody in jest saying he didn’t want one coach because of relying/using 12 personnel. I made the post our two top candidates used it. Somehow narrative is i don’t like 12 personnel. Amazing 

28 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You have no idea what comparing means. You literally admit lumping two things together because they're similar(which is a comparison). 

As far as you wanting or not wanting 12, I dont know, and or care. 

Just saying, when you said to dismiss someone because of 12, you compared it to someone else running 12, and thats dumb

Have a good one bud

Wow I never dismissed either one of them. Again another show me where i said that I wanted to dismiss either one for that reason? Again I’ll wait

What I said to the 4for4 who I responded to was he dismissed sirianni simply for using the formation of 12 personnel. So i said if you are dismiss sirianni for simply using 12 personnel in his playbook (which he did based on the fact the eagles used 12 personnel formation a ton) that mcdaniels also uses 12 personnel in his playbook. This had NOTHING to do with how they implement how they use the 12 personnel. He made the point in a broad stroke about just having 12 personnel in the playbook and relying on it that he dismissed the Colts sirianni. 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Once again, this is comparison. It says that if you dont like this, you must not like that. All I'm saying *IS* dont lump any of the 3(doug, Siri, MCD) together because it's not a fair comparison. 

I dont know how or what you think of the 12. I dont care if you want one coach or the other. Just saying, lumping those 2 coaches together(i.e. comparing by simulates) is dumb 

Did you read the original comment that was sent to me? He dismissed the coach for the simple fact he was having 12 personnel formation in the playbook (as a fan of using it). Nothing else but the fact he was a fan of using 12 personnel. NOT how they implement plays out of it. 

no crap all coaches use formations differently.

but that’s not what he was referring too. he didn’t want sirianni due to simply just being a fan of using 12 personnel formation in the playbook.  Response was mcndaniels was also a fan of the formation when he had the personnel he did in New England. 

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol.  Spot on. 

Well, that's perfect for Detroit.

 

Honestly, I think that Campbell will be one of the top coaches to come from this round of hires.  I obviously hope that whomever the Eagles land on is the top candidate.  But, I'd say that Campbell, Saleh and Staley (Chargers, not Eagles) are going to be at the head of this class.  Saleh I would put higher on the list, but he's got to overcome the Jets institutional inertia.  They are just a bad organization and have been for about half a century.  Campbell has his own struggles there with Detroit, who is also an organization with a bad bad track record.  Hard to overcome 80+ years of futility.  It's possible, but will be tough.

I think Urban Meyer will easily be the worst of the bunch, and likely won't finish 3 seasons, maybe not even 2.
Arthur Smith in Atlanta will be interesting to watch.  Would his team have the same identity as a dome team, or would they be another wilting flower dome team when it comes to road games?  
Houston is such a mess... does it matter who the new coach is?  

 

So, my top 3 are: Campbell, Saleh, and Staley.
Bottom 3 are: Meyer, Smith and whomever ends up in Houston.  
And Eagles are in a class of their own.  Because of bias, and the unknown right now.  Sirianni is an interesting target though... instills more confidence in me than many of the other names being circulated.   But, Mayo is a guy that might just end up being 'the man' in the not too distant future, and might be the reason that McDaniels is looking to leave NE.  Mayo might have become the heir apparent to Belicheat.   The more I hear about Mayo, the better he sounds, and it just seems like a matter of time for him to get his shot.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Did you read the original comment that was sent to me? He dismissed the coach for the simple fact he was using 12 personnel formation. Nothing else but the fact he used 12 personnel. NOT how they implement plays out of it. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, that's perfect for Detroit.

 

Honestly, I think that Campbell will be one of the top coaches to come from this round of hires.  I obviously hope that whomever the Eagles land on is the top candidate.  But, I'd say that Campbell, Saleh and Staley (Chargers, not Eagles) are going to be at the head of this class.  Saleh I would put higher on the list, but he's got to overcome the Jets institutional inertia.  They are just a bad organization and have been for about half a century.  Campbell has his own struggles there with Detroit, who is also an organization with a bad bad track record.  Hard to overcome 80+ years of futility.  It's possible, but will be tough.

I think Urban Meyer will easily be the worst of the bunch, and likely won't finish 3 seasons, maybe not even 2.
Arthur Smith in Atlanta will be interesting to watch.  Would his team have the same identity as a dome team, or would they be another wilting flower dome team when it comes to road games?  
Houston is such a mess... does it matter who the new coach is?  

 

So, my top 3 are: Campbell, Saleh, and Staley.
Bottom 3 are: Meyer, Smith and whomever ends up in Houston.  
And Eagles are in a class of their own.  Because of bias, and the unknown right now.  Sirianni is an interesting target though... instills more confidence in me than many of the other names being circulated.   But, Mayo is a guy that might just end up being 'the man' in the not too distant future, and might be the reason that McDaniels is looking to leave NE.  Mayo might have become the heir apparent to Belicheat.   The more I hear about Mayo, the better he sounds, and it just seems like a matter of time for him to get his shot.

Putting Campbell so high is a joke, Saleh might be the only coach this year having a shot at changing it around.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I despise those.  Most of them are of a political nature from my boss and 9 of my counterparts...drives me insane.  

Short drive though, amirite?

2 minutes ago, Sturm said:

Putting Campbell so high is a joke, Saleh might be the only coach this year having a shot at changing it around.

You are welcome to your opinion.  We view it differently.  Of course, I didn't put Campbell in the HoF or anything, just in the top half of this year's hires... 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are welcome to your opinion.  We view it differently.  Of course, I didn't put Campbell in the HoF or anything, just in the top half of this year's hires... 

I like Campbell but the lions have a way of just killing coaches. They might actually just be cursed. Amazing they fired Jim Caldwell when he was 36-28 and had 3 out of 4 winning seasons. Probably also should have a playoff win if he didn’t get screwed in dallas. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, that's perfect for Detroit.

 

Honestly, I think that Campbell will be one of the top coaches to come from this round of hires.  I obviously hope that whomever the Eagles land on is the top candidate.  But, I'd say that Campbell, Saleh and Staley (Chargers, not Eagles) are going to be at the head of this class.  Saleh I would put higher on the list, but he's got to overcome the Jets institutional inertia.  They are just a bad organization and have been for about half a century.  Campbell has his own struggles there with Detroit, who is also an organization with a bad bad track record.  Hard to overcome 80+ years of futility.  It's possible, but will be tough.

I think Urban Meyer will easily be the worst of the bunch, and likely won't finish 3 seasons, maybe not even 2.
Arthur Smith in Atlanta will be interesting to watch.  Would his team have the same identity as a dome team, or would they be another wilting flower dome team when it comes to road games?  
Houston is such a mess... does it matter who the new coach is?  

 

So, my top 3 are: Campbell, Saleh, and Staley.
Bottom 3 are: Meyer, Smith and whomever ends up in Houston.  
And Eagles are in a class of their own.  Because of bias, and the unknown right now.  Sirianni is an interesting target though... instills more confidence in me than many of the other names being circulated.   But, Mayo is a guy that might just end up being 'the man' in the not too distant future, and might be the reason that McDaniels is looking to leave NE.  Mayo might have become the heir apparent to Belicheat.   The more I hear about Mayo, the better he sounds, and it just seems like a matter of time for him to get his shot.

Saleh probably has the most experience, but DCs? Who knows?

Cambell? Meh. Staley, long shot hot name. Smith is in a bad situation, has to win with Ryan the next couple years. Not sure why he took that job.

Agree on Meyer, college coaches have a horrid track record if they don't have NFL experience.

There is no 'sure thing' among any of the hires, and I didn't get the sense anyone pulled an "AR" in their Eagle interviews, they seemed to like Smith, McDaniels and Sirianni the best so far. So while Smith might have been one of the final four, his loss to the Eagles doesn't constitute a disaster, the others, I doubt the Eagles had much interest.

I'm less surprised with the Eagle long march than with the speed with which many franchises jumped on new HCs instead of casting a wider net. I mean no one out there was in the category of "I can't believe this guy hit the street."

 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Doug with an edge would be a good coach to have IMO.

48 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Daboll better establish the run so the passing game can work. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Looks pretty balanced to me. Green bay looks super balanced

4 minutes ago, greend said:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Looks pretty balanced to me. Green bay looks super balanced

Amazing buffalo is at 60.9% pass and eagles 62%. Then again we trailed in a lot of games (as well as we were pass happy anyway) but watching buffalo they do pass a ton and feels like a good amount of runs they had was allen just rushing on a broken pass play.