I imagine being the Lions HC is just liked buying a boat.  Today is the best day of Dan Campbell's coaching career.  The 2nd best will be when they fire him after going 4-30 over the next 2 seasons.  

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup, he has 2 brothers that were/are HC's along with his father, although it was at lower college programs. I forget where, it was on ITB pod yesterday. It's definitely a coaches family.

I look at it this way, the eagles are in a rebuild and badly need to first draft better. That’s a start. But secondly develop the young talent they actually do have on this team and going to acquire this upcoming draft. Sirianni has shown that with the chargers and colts. It’s not all him but he definitely has had a big hand in it. I look at the Patriots since mcdaniels came back from the Rams, who have the Patriots drafted and developed? Gronk and Hernandez were in year 3 when he came back. Gronk was coming off a 1300 yard and 17 td season. They were already very good. Edelman is one. The next is James white. Michel hasn’t developed. Harry hasn’t developed. Jacobi meyers has been solid. They never got close to replacing gronk since he left. Part of the reason Brady left was lack of offensive skill talent. The Patriots have really failed to develop much outside of Edelman and white since mcdaniels came back unless you give him credit for gronk and Hernandez who were already in year 3 and very good. 

OL if you want to make that case the Patriots have had one of the better OL coaches in the league after they were struggling.  

not saying mcdaniels isn’t good at adjusting his offense to the guys he has been given with FA and brought in. Just in terms of developing their drafted or UDFA 

38 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Then they shouldn’t have fired Doug. Let alone firing him and keeping Howie. The guy is not a bad coach. They’re scapegoating him and it’s absurd. It’s such a bad look. Most coaching hires in the NFL fail, and the Eagles got one who while flawed has proven he’s pretty good at the very least and who knows how things would’ve gone if Howie could actually draft talent.

They should have known their job would be unattractive and they’d have to settle for other guys. Just keep Doug then and make it work. It’s totally insane that Doug got the boot and Howie is still here. Just infuriating.

I don’t think enough people are emphasizing the fact that they didn’t want to fire Doug.

Doug got fired because he did a 180 and said he’d no longer be a puppet who would let them pull the strings.  Had he not done that, he’d still be the HC.  
 

They aren’t really "settling” for other guys.  From my viewpoint, they will actually get exactly who they wanted all along...whomever it is that will allow Lowie to run the team.  That’s what they want and that’s what they’ll get.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Oh I agree, it was outstanding.  Just pointing out that the overly literal interpretation should acknowledge the reality that the city of Detroit is stuck in a clogged fesces-filled toilet from which it will never return.

Ah, can always count on you to be a ray of sunshine!!!

 

(I don't disagree with you on this though)

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The talk is great, but when the rubber hits the road there has to be accountability.  He’ll succeed or fail based on the example he sets, every day.

He has a really uphill climb.  The ownership in DET is bad; when they came out and gave Quinn and Patricia the ultimatum of "playing meaningful games in December” or getting fired they were both as good as gone at that moment.  That Lions team is nowhere close to a contender, regardless of who the coach was (not that Patricia was the right hire)

It’s good he negotiated a 6-year deal.  Now ownership needs to commit to his vision.  I have my doubts they will 

They really should trade Stafford to get picks and try to draft and develop a QB. Going to wind up just wasting stafford’s last 2-3 good years ( i say that little cause he’s gotten beat up). Get value for him now and start it over 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

I can't believe the Jets passed on Robert Saleh for Dan Campbell. 

You mean the Lions?  Maybe they wanted Saleh, but the Jets outbid them or acted faster.

That’s what bugs me about the narrative that the Eagles are an undesirable job, or candidates don’t want to come here.  If I interview with Lurie and Howie and I ask about next steps, Lurie tells me "we’re going to be interviewing people over the next couple of weeks and let you know” — then after I leave the interview and a team like the Jets or Falcons calls me to tell me I’m hired, and sends me a written offer .... guess what?  I’m taking that job!

NONE of the guys hired during this cycle have ever been a head coach in the NFL before.  They’re not sitting there with their agent waiting to mull over multiple offers.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can't believe the Jets passed on Robert Saleh for Dan Campbell. 

What? 

Here are my thoughts on Siriani - I think in some regards your ability to assemble a very good coaching staff is almost more important than other things. Our 2017 -18 SB win was because of the good coaching staff we had and not necessarily because Doug was here. Doug was instrumental - no doubt, but there was so much more. 

 

When Reich left in 2018- I stated at the time it would be our biggest loss from Superbowl team. Doug is a good coach, but he is not an offensive mastermind. Frank was the driving force behind our offense in 17 & 18, when we lost him and Flip in the same year, I thought it would be worse than what it was right away, but it tool some time to deteriorate. It did happen but it took a little longer. 

Doug welcomes input, the problem is Dougs game plans are only as good as the input he gets, and that has not been great since Frank left.  Example: it was Frank who suggested changing the offense to a read option that Foles would do well in,  for the playoffs in 2017. Once Frank left, Doug was left to what offense Frank had left behind and what input he got from his assistants. It is why our offense became stale and predictable overnight. Doug lacks the ability to design plays for your players strengths and lacks the ability to be innovative.

Now Siriani, supposedly has that ability to create, design and be fluid with game planning for the strength of your players. you can see Frank's influence on him as you see him break down the tape.  He appears to be a good Coach in that he knows how to reach the players and help them grow. 

What I dont know,  if he is ready for HC. I dont know if he can put together a good Staff, he will need a good DC to go along with him. But I would bet his offense will be more innovative, creative, and match what strengths the players we do have, more so than what we saw the last 2 seasons under Doug. 

With Josh McDaniels, we know he can and will be that offensive mastermind so to speak, but there are clues he may not have been a good HC in the way of how he coaches people up. We do know he can put together a pretty good coaching staff. 

 

I'll be ok with either of these as a hire, but will be most interested in the rest of their staff they can put together. DC will be critical. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t think enough people are emphasizing the fact that they didn’t want to fire Doug.

Doug got fired because he did a 180 and said he’d no longer be a puppet who would let them pull the strings.  Had he not done that, he’d still be the HC.  
 

They aren’t really "settling” for other guys.  From my viewpoint, they will actually get exactly who they wanted all along...whomever it is that will allow Lowie to run the team.  That’s what they want and that’s what they’ll get.

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

I'm guessing he means Chargers since Raiders hired Bradley already, but point stands. If it's Sirianni, I think you will hear it today or tomorrow at the latest.

32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I will be taking at least a year off. My fandom changed years back when I got sick, it changed my perspective on a lot of things. I realized life is way too short to continue to waste hundreds of hours of my time on sports if they’re not bringing my joy. The Eagles are the only team left in the city I watch regularly, though I still keep up with the news. If it gets to the point where they bring me more misery than joy, then I’ll move on from them too and come back when they excite me again.

I feel you. I was never a super sports guy outside football, so my time commitment was minimal. But I still watch the Eagles when they are nationally televised. Outside of the birds and my Gerogia dawgs I dont watch football games, and even then, I do a bit of work during that time. I do my daily google searches for the some combination of the eagles, 76ers, phils, and flyers when I have free time, but it is not a priority. I will still ride with the birds till I am gone though, I love the team and the community too much to ever stop. I hope they get exciting soon as well, its always nice to have an extra little pep in the week when your team is fun to watch. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You mean the Lions?  Maybe they wanted Saleh, but the Jets outbid them or acted faster.

That’s what bugs me about the narrative that the Eagles are an undesirable job, or candidates don’t want to come here.  If I interview with Lurie and Howie and I ask about next steps, Lurie tells me "we’re going to be interviewing people over the next couple of weeks and let you know” — then after I leave the interview and a team like the Jets or Falcons calls me to tell me I’m hired, and sends me a written offer .... guess what?  I’m taking that job!

NONE of the guys hired during this cycle have ever been a head coach in the NFL before.  They’re not sitting there with their agent waiting to mull over multiple offers.

Also didn’t help the eagles that they were a week behind the other 6 jobs that opened. So even if they wanted smith, he’s already in the process of second interview and Falcons wanting to hire him by the time you have your first interview. 

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

I won’t argue that.  The fact remains that the only reason they fired him was because he was no longer willing to yield control of his coaching staff or QB decision-making.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

Yup. I can't remember how many times we all were asking ourselves "WTF is Doug doing?" in some pretty critical spots, especially with the "we ran out of 2pt plays" nonsense. 

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Michael Pittman actually played really well down the stretch for the colts. He also worked with tyrelle Williams in SD which helped him get to the contract he got with the raiders as well as he helped Keenan Allen have his best season as a pro when he was the WR coach. I’d add reich has credited him with hines and Taylor. 

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t impress me. You always hear these type of praises from HCs about their guys. 
 

These Guys are alway given such big credit and most flop. Most never even heard of this guy till he interviewed now he got all the cred? Idk man. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I won’t argue that.  The fact remains that the only reason they fired him was because he was no longer willing to yield control of his coaching staff or QB decision-making.

I kind of feel like that was the last straw. I don’t think those were the only reason but the other reasons they were willing to still give him another year to fix them. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also didn’t help the eagles that they were a week behind the other 6 jobs that opened. So even if they wanted smith, he’s already in the process of second interview and Falcons wanting to hire him by the time you have your first interview. 

Yup.  It was clear the Eagles intended to keep Doug for one more season.  He wasn’t fired just because the team won 4 games — those coaches got fired the day after the season and their head coach search hit the ground running.

My issue with that decision is I would have fired Doug immediately after the season; not only because the team won 4 games, but because everything was trending in the wrong direction and he did an absolutely horrible job last season in almost every way.  It wasn’t just injuries, it wasn’t just an aging roster — Doug was horrible and needed to be fired.

19 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

As always, thanks for the recommendations.  I have been enmeshed in genealogy research of late so a lot of my history reading and research have been century old documents like diary notes, wills, land conveyances, court documents census documents, old local histories and Scandinavian church records and censuses.  If my translation of the word for wife from Norwegian is correct, it is "gift”.  That  translation has had me immersed in reading US legal histories, court opinions and treatises on the development of women from chattel property, subsumed from father to husband, to their status today (still not fully equal, even under the Constitution).  Very little in property rights other than life tenancy until 1848.

Toll’s work sounds fascinating. The development of the Warlords from the time of the invasion of Manchuria, which in some ways was a reaction to events from the Sino-Russian war is pretty interesting.  Less known than the rise of Hitler and the National Socialists and the rise of the Fascists in Italy and Spain.  I added it to my list.

That sounds fascinating. Your translation of the word for wife makes a certain amount of sense (I say this not knowing a word of Norwegian) . The gift of a dowry to the groom, or groom's family would fit right in with that.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Of course Wentz can be criticized.  Putting out a hit piece on Wentz with a headline that he is the reason the Eagles may not hire Duce to be head coach, however, is pure horse manure and garbage reporting.  Does he actually think Duce is the only coach available that holds players accountable?

Asserting that the Eagles are incompetent because they couldn’t hire Saleh — B.S. — Saleh interviewed with lots of teams

Asserting the Eagles are incompetent because they couldn’t hire Arthur Smith — B.S. — Smith interviewed with lots of teams

Asserting they’re incompetent because they got turned down by Lincoln Riley — B.S. — Riley is already at a top-10 earning NFL head coach salary and wouldn’t get fired at OU in the next 20 years.

Just trash reporting, because he thinks the Eagles should have hired a head coach in five minutes — even after being told by Lurie himself what the process was going to be.

Don’t disagree with your view on the article.  My response was to Thrive’s post, not the article. But I was saying early in the season and last season that Wentz had some flaws he needs to fix.  Chris Long agrees with me.  I have also wanted Press Taylor gone.  I think he is an enabler, not a position coach.

28 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t impress me. You always hear these type of praises from HCs about their guys. 
 

These Guys are alway given such big credit and most flop. Most never even heard of this guy till he interviewed now he got all the cred? Idk man. 

just pointing out there was an article written by the athletic stating the fact he was going to be a good head coach back in October. He also was a candidate for the Browns job last year. So obviously the league has known about  him. Fans most likely not unless you are a colts fan or a divisional opponent  

also are you are going to use that against every candidate? That’s how it should be. Can’t just pick sirianni and challenge him with it and then not do it to others. 

honest question who has mcdaniels/Patriots developed in terms of drafted and UDFA young offensive skill players since being back in New England in 2012? Gronk had a 1300+ yard season and 17 tds in 2011 without mcdaniels. Hernandez was already good. And their oline was struggling so bad they re-hired the retired OL coach ans he fixed the issue. So it’s really Edelman and James white. It really helps that Tom Brady has been great because the New England Patriots have an exactly done a great job with the development of young skill position players and it showed how much this year and last year even with Brady. 

Where the Eagles are in their rebuild they need somebody who has had a hand in doing a good job at developing young players. The patriots have actually not been overly great at it since 2012. it’s another reason why Brady left for greener pastures besides belichick rift 

10 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I feel you. I was never a super sports guy outside football, so my time commitment was minimal. But I still watch the Eagles when they are nationally televised. Outside of the birds and my Gerogia dawgs I dont watch football games, and even then, I do a bit of work during that time. I do my daily google searches for the some combination of the eagles, 76ers, phils, and flyers when I have free time, but it is not a priority. I will still ride with the birds till I am gone though, I love the team and the community too much to ever stop. I hope they get exciting soon as well, its always nice to have an extra little pep in the week when your team is fun to watch. 

I mean I’ll always love the brand the Philadelphia Eagles, that will never change. But life is too short to invest hundreds of hours into something that makes me miserable. My perspective on that changed. I got horribly sick in 2010, I almost died. And once I got better one of the things I realized is that I spend like 80% of my free time on sports. Hundreds and hundreds of hours a year. I’ve neglected countless interests and hobbies. So I made it a point to spend more time on them.

Then it really hit me when I was watching say a Sixers game or a Phillies game that I knew I wasn’t enjoying. And not only not enjoying but spending the entire game frustrating and cursing at the tv. And I asked myself is this how I want to spend 80% of my free time? Watching something I don’t like just because of some weird obligation? I just decided eventually that I’m only going to watch if I find the product entertaining and/or feel there’s hope for a championship or at least in the road headed toward one.

Even this past season, for the second half of the year, the Eagles for me were basically background noise while I was reading. I have this massive stack of books in my backlog that I let grow to absurd levels and finally have gotten around to reading them.

In life, do what makes you happy. As long as you follow that, it’s hard to go wrong 😁

13 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t impress me. You always hear these type of praises from HCs about their guys. 
 

These Guys are alway given such big credit and most flop. Most never even heard of this guy till he interviewed now he got all the cred? Idk man. 

There’s an SI.com article from last September that lists Sirianni among the best HC candidates; it actually hits on many of the coaches that got hired this cycle.

If Lurie called up Frank Reich (or vice versa) and got a recommendation to interview Sirianni, props for doing so.

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying Campbell’s presser is going to be hard to beat that was straight up awesome 

 

We can only hope whoever we hire talks about curb stomping the opponent.  

Side note, I think it's pretty cheesy to try to embody what a city is.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

We can only hope whoever we hire talks about curb stomping the opponent.  

Side note, I think it's pretty cheesy to try to embody what a city is.  

But it explains the Jacksonville Jaguars.

40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I believe his dad and brother are/were also coaches

Correct, and I think he played at Mount Union.  For those who don't follow college football, up until recent with Wisconsin-Whitewater, Mount Union was the Alabama of D3 football.