1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Marlon Mack is a FA this year.  Coming off an injury....maybe Siri can get him here on a cheap prove you're healthy deal.

I had the same idea in another post. He’s likely to be cheap cause of the injury (want to say it was an Achilles). He knows the offense that sirianni is bringing with him. He’s a nice back that is sold to good in every area. He’s good at blitz/pass pro. I think if healthy he and sanders are good duo. I’d still also like a mid-late round pick on a RB as well if they get him. I’d like someone in the mold of Hines skill set that’s better than Scott 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I told you that having @greend as your top choice for d-coordinator was not a going to work.  

Yeah shouldve realized it. he told me i sucked after not getting the job. Obvious the whole time 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The fact that so many of the "hot name" coaches wanted no part of this mess made this whole thing infuriating from the jump.

 

Who cares that the ''hot name coaches'' wanted no parts of this job according to you. You completely contradict yourself by going on to complain about Doug being fired. You do realize that Gase and Mcadoo were the ''hot name coaches'' in 2016 and nobody else wanted Doug whom the Eagles settled for. Being a hot name coaching candidate means nothing when it comes to actual coaching success. Surianni might work out and he might not, but it how much buzz he had around the league as a head coaching candidate will have ZERO to do with it.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Not when we draft Pitts at 6.  

If you guys will this into existence along with the Spadaro "Ask Siri" column, I will never forgive any of you.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

some killjoy mentioned his torn achilles. Im already less excited. 

It did happen in week one and it might result in them being able to get him in a cheap one year deal.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

If you guys will this into existence along with the Spadaro "Ask Siri" column, I will never forgive any of you.

I'm not the one saying it out loud.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You like him more than LR and JMcD because he isn't LR or JMcD.  Or are you going to pretend to know who he was and was thinking about him before this week also?  

Come on.  The guy was a safe, uninspiring hire.  If he works out....hey great.  But if we're going to discount JMcD because he didn't interview with anyone else, let's not pretend we got a keeper here.  This reaks of bargain bin shopping.  Maybe you find a treasure.  Odds are you don't.  

I never said I liked Sirianni, I said exactly that I like him more than Riley and McDaniels.  I'm pretty sure I've been crystal clear on the ineffectiveness of NCAA only coaches that come to the NFL as HCs for the first time.   One exception to that rule, so I was never a fan of the Lincoln Riley noise.  So, yes, I am glad he's not the HC.   I was also very clear that failed HCs in the past aren't ones that go on to reach the Super Bowl in the future. And just so that we are clear on what constitutes 'failure' for an HC... an HC that gets blown out of town before the conclusion of the 2nd season of his tenure has never gone on to have success with a 2nd team, so once again, I am glad that McDaniels wasn't the HC.   The odds of a NCAA guy moving to the NFL and hitting the jackpot, or the failed NFL retread figuring it out in stop #2 were pretty much 0 odds that they would.  So, let's not play the 'odds' game.   Besides, I've always been of the thought of identifying the next coach is better than retreads, unless that retread actually had success but just couldn't put it altogether in 1 previous stop.

I know very little about Sirianni.  Here's what I do know about him:  He's a guy that Reich has been working with for years going back to his days in San Diego.  Reich is a coach I've liked since before he was added to the Eagles' coaching staff in 2016.  So, that's a plus for me.  That's it.   He's young, he's supposedly ascending (according to some).  We'll see if that's true here. 

But, I'm not going to change my viewpoint.  I was anti-Riley, I still am.  I was anti-McDaniels, and still am.  That hasn't changed.  I was interested in guys like Daboll, Brady and to a lesser extent Smith.  I was probably highest on Brady, because he's the type of coach that the NFL is moving towards.  But, they interviewed him and seemed to like this other guy better or whatever.   So, I am happy... they brought in a guy that wasn't one of the guys I was dead set against.  Sorry that those two happened to be your favorite two.  

 

In other news, perhaps the most interesting to come out of this whole process is that apparently McDaniels was Howie's guy, and Sirianni seems to have been Dorsey's guy.  (Dorsey was with Sirianni in KC.)  So, there's that.  Howie is starting to lose his luster in the eyes of Lurie.  

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I can't Fing believe this team fired Doug Pederson. It's infuriating. He should still be here. Especially if Howie is still here. There's no way with a straight face they can think they're better off today than they were the day before they fired Doug.

Everything this organization does is ass Fing backwards with Lurie. The writing was on the wall when they fired Doug last minute and Lurie did a complete 180. And if they hired Sirianni to appease Wentz, that makes it even worse. We'll find out in time if that was the case.

Everything about their whole process is a total joke. This organization is in so much trouble it's hard to put into words. Just a bleak bleak future with little hope for the short term future.

As maddening was it was to keep Howie and scapegoat Doug for everything, I could've at least been somewhat excited about Joe Brady -  a high upside guy thought of to be super bright, but a little raw in coaching. I agree with those who said you swing for the fences for a special mind. Sirianni doesn't feel like that. Regardless, the guy is set up to fail. This roster sucks, the cap situation sucks, and apparently they'll be trying to spend another year fixing the most broken QB in the NFL.

Depressing as hell

Lurie was pretty open about the fact that he wants a rebuild. For a HC, you can’t ask for any more than an owner understanding that you’re entering a rebuilding project and that it will take time to get back to the top.

Pederson didn’t want that. He flat out did not want to rebuild. He wanted to keep kicking the can down the road to try to win another super bowl with a team that has an old core. That’s why he’s gone.

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Brooks and Johnson are only question marks regarding if they'll play because of injury. They'll be on the team definitely because of those contracts

Yeah with Brooks, he has had several really serious injuries, we had been lucky two happened at end of season so he didn't miss many games, but this is a worry sport for me. 

Johnson, yes we just dont know. Kelce, he could flat our retire. My guess is if Wentz is staying, he stays. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He's a safe hire compared to a college coach or JMcD, no question.  Instead of AR telling Lowie who to hire, they needed Frank Reich to tell them.....Let that sink in.  

Yes.  Frank Reich is dictating things now.   Or, the 'advisor' John Dorsey was connected to this guy from their combined time in KC.  So, before you start creating false narratives, let some facts sink in, rather than wild speculation. 

^ I regret this now.

 

BTW... the Eagles did get a Super Bowl victory when AR sold Lurie on Doug, et al.   So, if that's the outcome again, is that something to complain about?  I don't think so.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

some killjoy mentioned his torn achilles. Im already less excited. 

Idk i loved marlon Mack when he came out of south Florida. I thought he was a poor man’s mccoy. Not that he’s ever be that good but that was kind of the style he reminded me of. If he can get healthy then i still think he and sanders is a heck of a duo. Likely not breaking the bank either. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31043/what-the-nick-sirianni-hire-means-for-carson-wentz-philadelphia-eagles

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What does this mean for quarterback Carson Wentz?

Once Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie fired Pederson on Jan. 11, it became clear the Eagles preferred the path of trying to keep and fix Wentz instead of trading him and gravitated toward candidates who were on the same wave length. Wentz was at his best when Colts coach Frank Reich was the offensive coordinator in Philadelphia. Sirianni was Reich's right-hand man in Indianapolis, and coached quarterbacks in San Diego when Reich was the Chargers' O-coordinator in 2014 and 2015.

Sirianni has majored in the QB position and is in lockstep with Reich, whom Wentz trusts fully. The odds of Wentz staying in Philadelphia went up when Pederson was fired, and likely ticked up another few notches with this decision on this coach.
What drew the Eagles to Sirianni?

Philadelphia had an interview with Sirianni on Tuesday that reportedly spilled into the next day. Buzz began picking up soon thereafter that he was a front-runner for the job alongside McDaniels. He helped the Colts finish in the top-10 in offense two of the past three seasons despite a rotating cast at quarterback. He similarly got a lot out of the Chargers receivers when he was their position coach from 2016 to 2017.

A source said Sirianni has "great people skills," is good with player evaluation and has a strong work ethic. Though maybe not the loudest of personalities, Sirianni is said to have more of an edge to him than it may first appear.

There's also internal dynamics to consider. Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman are deeply involved in the Eagles' football operations. In order for that power structure to stay intact, the coach has to be amenable to it. Sirianni doesn't come in with the kind of clout like McDaniels, for instance, and will likely be fine initially with fitting into that construct and focusing on the coaching side of things.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They weren't even in KC together. Nicks last year was 2012, Dorsey came in 2013

Interesting, I did not know that.  

12 personnel is not the only way on offense.  Ertz could stay on a short deal, if the team wants to go with someone familiar.  Or they could bring in someone from draft or FA.  Plenty of options. 

The new offense brain trust could also go in a different direction, like playing to the strength of your players.  12 is Doug's idea, but he is no longer in charge.  No need to hold on to it. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Scott is a decent 3rd down back.  I don't understand the hate for him.  

Against the Giants, he's good.  Against literally, any other team, he's not even JAG status.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31043/what-the-nick-sirianni-hire-means-for-carson-wentz-philadelphia-eagles

 

LOL ESPN speculation article. Might as well written it yourself. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

some killjoy mentioned his torn achilles. Im already less excited. 

All depends how he rehabs and comes back though.  I know RB is MUCH different than O-line but look at JP and Brooks.  Sidney Jones came back and granted we don't know if he busted here because of his injury past or because of he's just not good enough.

Trying to think of other players who have come back.  If there is good news about the injury it's that it happened in week 1.  

Buy low.  

There's no doubt in my mind they want to keep and fix Carson Wentz. That is crystal clear at this point. Hopefully, Sirianni isn't tied to Wentz because I'm definitely not confident Carson will turn it around next year.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting, I did not know that.  

I suppose they could have had the tiniest of interactions and possibly interviewed Nick as a stay over, but Dorsey came with Reid, and I don't remember if they cleaned house or not. 

There you go

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The fact that so many of the "hot name" coaches wanted no part of this mess made this whole thing infuriating from the jump.

People can like/not like whatever hire they want, that's their choice. But for me, I'm sorry, I'm not going to even pretend to remotely be ok with this for all the obvious reasons. That a SB winning coach was fired to get here, and only fired because they tried to dictate to him what his own coaching staff should be.

That Lurie didn't fire the man responsible for destroying this roster and give Doug the talent he needed to succeed at a higher level.

That this organization was universally viewed as one of the least attractive destinations so as fans we had to accept before the process even began that "we aren't getting any of the top names." I'm sorry, but F that. That should piss people off. How far we've fallen in only a few short years that we have to Fing settle on a coach. We are the Philadelphia Eagles, not the Fing New York Jets who've won jack crap in ages. But we're here because the guys at the top are Fing clueless, and I was looking for just a morsel of hope. Something to give me something to feel good about going forward. I got none of that.

I actually think the hire may be a good one, but I agree with much of what you said, especially the bolded part.  It is an indictment of the owner, period.  He has to acknowledge that his "gold standard" franchise is no longer a highly desired destination for top coaching candidates.  He has to ask himself why.  Learn the answers, and do something about it.

He has to acknowledge that there were more than a few people in and around the league talking about what went on here.  The awful drafting, awful decisions, cap space, the way the QBs were handled, the meddling in the coaching staff and embarrassment of the HC that won a championship 2 years earlier.... it's all out there, and now he cannot hide from the fact that HE did this to our franchise.  Maybe time to re-evaluate.

I also agree that it should not be just OK that coaches don't want to come here, or that the Eagles have to settle for anything... it's not OK for the team to blow draft picks and decisions every year... yes it should piss people off... we should expect more.  Now that the owner has crossed over from trusted steward of the franchise to meddling despot engaging in nepotism and ignoring the obvious best course of action for the team... he needs to be held to account.

All that said, while the franchise is not currently set up to succeed, consider keeping an open mind on this HC hire.  Remember how bad the team was in 1998?  Then how we hired a QB coach who had never been a coordinator that no one else was considering?  We passed on proven coordinators like Jim Haslett and hired this guy who looked lika fatter version of his then boss Mike Holmgren and allegedly had interviewed really well?

This guy has an interesting background and has had some success... he may work out well.  Maybe he helps the owner realize the more important changes he has to make... that is my hope in all of this.

Ever single HC that Jeffrey Lurie has hired as made the playoffs. Lurie's been able to identify good HCs.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I suppose they could have had the tiniest of interactions and possibly interviewed Nick as a stay over, but Dorsey came with Reid, and I don't remember if they cleaned house or not. 

Reid did fire sirianni when he got there. But it was more like he just didn’t keep him. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

All depends how he rehabs and comes back though.  I know RB is MUCH different than O-line but look at JP and Brooks.  Sidney Jones came back and granted we don't know if he busted here because of his injury past or because of he's just not good enough.

Trying to think of other players who have come back.  If there is good news about the injury it's that it happened in week 1.  

Buy low.  

You talking just any position with Achilles that came back and played well? If so suggs

What cracks me up is the only criticism so far of Sirianni is that he's not a genius OC.

Well, every scheme and play is on film and dissected by the rest of the league. Whatever edge a "genius OC" gives you is quickly dissipated.

The real competitive edge is the ability to coach up players, because you only get so many high draft picks, and the majority of the talent edge comes from finding players from the "trash pile," late round picks, UDFAs, the waiver wire and 3rd tier FAs. Because there's a cap, you have to consistently find young talent that's cheap to afford keeping your stars.

And that requires a coach who knows how to teach, and can recognize and mentor assistant coaches who can teach and develop players.

The control thing is a joke, no HC who hasn't won at a high level gets control unless the owner is crazy, so it's either Howie or a megalomaniac GM. The idea that anyone in this group of HC candidates could demand control is simply not realistic, even McDaniels will be happy just to land a job.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Reid did fire sirianni when he got there. But it was more like he just didn’t keep him. 

It all makes sense now. Dorsey was like "hey me and Big Red fired this Italian guy a few years ago, you should totally hire him as your HC"

Well i did enjoy this. a shame the colts got to reich and sirianni way too late and the damage to luck had been done in terms of him wanting to retire when they finally got it right  

 

Blue checkmarks on social media ripping Lurie... not because they didn't like the hire. But because they hired "another white dude."

A lot of racist divisive toxic people out there. I hate the Fing hire, but I'll be the first to defend Lurie on this. Just unjustified and unwarranted criticism in this regard.