@greend

4 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Read the writing on the wall. Schefter and Mort came out with multiple reports saying the relationship is fractured behind repair and all that. They likely have spoken to Wentz. 

So disregard everything I said and consider them liars considering they said "I have not spoken to Wentz or his agent”. Ok. 
 

And anyway the report about "fractured beyond repair” was about Doug and Wentz. 

50 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You are kidding right? You don't mass love and defend at all costs? People outright denying that there's clearly an issue and that Carson not speaking to the media is absolutely fine and no issue. 

When you've been alive a bit longer maybe you'll realize that everything the media says isn't necessarily true and not everything the media drums up deserves a response. Nobody in here believes that Carson played well last year. Most people in here are not confident that he will bounce back but are smart enough to think that he can bounce back and should have that opportunity.

In fact I would say that most in here think that there is absolutely some kind of issue but until Carson comes out with a statement we aren't willing to insist that he doesn't want to be here anymore.

However they anti Wentz folks which you seem to have become a part of want us all to agree with them that WENTZ IS BADZZ/MADZZZ and some kind of CANCERZ when the guy has said literally nothing and even by Shefter's  report was a good team mate and good soldier after he got benched. 

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

Y’all getting comfortable with a QB at 6 yet?

Honestly at this point that's fine, but it's not going to happen just because there seems to be anti Wentz propaganda by a bunch of taters

20 minutes ago, greend said:

When you've been alive a bit longer maybe you'll realize that everything the media says isn't necessarily true and not everything the media drums up deserves a response. Nobody in here believes that Carson played well last year. Most people in here are not confident that he will bounce back but are smart enough to think that he can bounce back and should have that opportunity.

In fact I would say that most in here think that there is absolutely some kind of issue but until Carson comes out with a statement we aren't willing to insist that he doesn't want to be here anymore.

However they anti Wentz folks which you seem to have become a part of want us all to agree with them that WENTZ IS BADZZ/MADZZZ and some kind of CANCERZ when the guy has said literally nothing and even by Shefter's  report was a good team mate and good soldier after he got benched. 

1000%

Everyone, including Schefter, is speculating what his silence means. Even if they are using best guesses, it’s still speculation. If Carson wanted out so badly and he spoke to Schefter, there would be reports about it just like there are reports that Stafford wanted to leave Detroit and Watson wanted to leave Houston. But yet there isn’t. Why?

 

We can safely assume at this point that Carson Wentz is a good dude overall but can be stubborn like most type-A QBs. And like many stars, he doesn’t appear to take well to criticism. All of that can be fine when he’s playing well. When he isn’t, and isn’t making the necessary changes to correct poor play, that leads to issues both in the field and off of it. 

Can he correct his issues? Is he willing to listen to those who want him to change? When things go badly, can he have the discipline to stick with those changes? Those are the real questions about him moving forward. 

Reading the tea leaves, I think the Eagles would like to make it work but at best he’s undecided about whether he wants to be here. At worst, he’s mentally checked out and has told the Eagles privately that he thinks a trade is for the best. That’s different than demanding a trade. It’s softer and leaves wiggle room. I don’t think he has demanded a trade. That would have leaked out and would have been put out in stronger, more concise terms like Schefter did with the Watson tweet. 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You are just so blinded by the hate and rumors and rage, that you don't see it.  He will be gone soon enough and the Eagles will start their rebuild from way further behind than necessary with no quality replacement and a massive financial hole.   But, that chaos is exactly what you want, so enjoy it.

I don't hate Carson though this is the thing! I was one of his biggest fans, I don't even dislike him for having a bad year in 2020. I just feel that the time has come for both sides to part ways because of all the rumours we keep hearing. You can say they are just rumours and nothing concrete but there are a lot of fans who choose to believe what they want and demonstrate a lot of hypocrisy. I have no rage or hate for Carson.

5 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

So it's possible that in the span of 2 years, Foles is released, Doug is fired, and Wentz is traded, but Howie somehow is still in charge.

What does this F'er have on Lurie.

Simple, Lurie molested Howie when he was an intern and Howie has threatened to out Lurie with his accusations if he ever fires him.  Duh

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We can safely assume at this point that Carson Wentz is a good dude overall but can be stubborn like most type-A QBs. And like many stars, he doesn’t appear to take well to criticism. All of that can be fine when he’s playing well. When he isn’t, and isn’t making the necessary changes to correct poor play, that leads to issues both in the field and off of it. 

Can he correct his issues? Is he willing to listen to those who want him to change? When things go badly, can he have the discipline to stick with those changes? Those are the real questions about him moving forward. 

Reading the tea leaves, I think the Eagles would like to make it work but at best he’s undecided about whether he wants to be here. At worst, he’s mentally checked out and has told the Eagles privately that he thinks a trade is for the best. That’s different than demanding a trade. It’s softer and leaves wiggle room. I don’t think he has demanded a trade. That would have leaked out and would have been put out in stronger, more concise terms like Schefter did with the Watson tweet. 

I think the only thing youre missing is that when a super talented player is struggling, they look for someone who can help him out of it.  I think it became apparent to Wentz that the current staff couldnt help him out of it, and I would speculate that that was part of the reason Wentz eventually shut them out.  

Wentz, by many accounts, has been coached hard before and was just fine. 

42 minutes ago, greend said:

When you've been alive a bit longer maybe you'll realize that everything the media says isn't necessarily true and not everything the media drums up deserves a response. Nobody in here believes that Carson played well last year. Most people in here are not confident that he will bounce back but are smart enough to think that he can bounce back and should have that opportunity.

In fact I would say that most in here think that there is absolutely some kind of issue but until Carson comes out with a statement we aren't willing to insist that he doesn't want to be here anymore.

However they anti Wentz folks which you seem to have become a part of want us all to agree with them that WENTZ IS BADZZ/MADZZZ and some kind of CANCERZ when the guy has said literally nothing and even by Shefter's  report was a good team mate and good soldier after he got benched. 

I've been around plenty long enough thanks but thanks for the patronising all the same.

I am not saying that people are defending Wentz play. I think people make a lot of excuses for his poor play but I don't see anyone blindly saying that Carson played well. But it's funny how reports come out from an anonymous source and everyone absolutely believes that it is Jeffrey and he's a locker room cancer. It's funny how Shefter tweets that the Eagles are in for player X and everyone jumps on that saying "oh yeah lets go Eagles" etc etc but because these reports are about Carson people dismiss it. It's hypocrisy.

People can be fans of Carson, people can believe he can turn it around (I've actually said myself I believe he can) but people also can say that despite those things it is time for Carson and Philly to go their separate ways. Quite why that makes us Carson haters is beyond me.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I've been around plenty long enough thanks but thanks for the patronising all the same.

I am not saying that people are defending Wentz play. I think people make a lot of excuses for his poor play but I don't see anyone blindly saying that Carson played well. But it's funny how reports come out from an anonymous source and everyone absolutely believes that it is Jeffrey and he's a locker room cancer. It's funny how Shefter tweets that the Eagles are in for player X and everyone jumps on that saying "oh yeah lets go Eagles" etc etc but because these reports are about Carson people dismiss it. It's hypocrisy.

People can be fans of Carson, people can believe he can turn it around (I've actually said myself I believe he can) but people also can say that despite those things it is time for Carson and Philly to go their separate ways. Quite why that makes us Carson haters is beyond me.

What about all the reports from teammates actually willing to put their names on the report and their faces on camera coming out to defend Wentz?

Its "funny" to me how people ignore that in favor of anonymous reports

Just now, Mike31mt said:

What about all the reports from teammates actually willing to put their names on the report and their faces on camera coming out to defend Wentz?

Its "funny" to me how people ignore that in favor of anonymous reports

I'm not ignoring that though! I'm actually not saying Carson is a bad team mate either! It very much appears he has been a good team mate, he did support Hurts after he was benched etc. I don't dislike Carson at all despite what people will say on here. I was his biggest fan and I think it sucks that things aren't working out right now. I'd love Carson to turn it around here but I just can't see it happening. I don't think he wants to be here. I think too much has happened on all fronts and I think as a result he wants out. And to be honest? I don't blame him. Some will kill him for that but I look at the human aspect of it. He has no actual ties to this organisation. He wasn't born in Philly, he wasn't an Eagles fan growing up. The only tie he has is his contract and where he currently lives with his family. If he is unhappy with how he has been treated then he is absolutely right to feel that way because I think there is truth to that.

1 hour ago, greend said:

And yet you still felt the need to post something negative about Wentz. Obviously he's living in your head rent free.

You just replied to almost literally every post in the blog posted over the last 12 hours regarding Carson Wentz and I’m the one with Wentz living in MY head?

Nevertheless, positive or negative, I have an opinion on how’s he played, which is just that. Him wanting to leave is another story and one that shouldn’t be brushed aside because we’ve lost faith in the media (especially when it comes from reporters who are the best in the business).

Carson Wentz wants out. It’s okay to say that. If he leaves, we’ll move on and one day win another super bowl (likely within the next 50 years!). Whether or not he actually leaves is another question.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You are kidding right? You don't mass love and defend at all costs? People outright denying that there's clearly an issue and that Carson not speaking to the media is absolutely fine and no issue. 

I’m on the fence regarding Wentz staying or going, but I see zero issue with him not speaking.  Don’t have the entitlement complex feeling as though he owes me that. 

You will know when Wentz wants to be traded- Because if that happens, it will likely happen this way:  

REPORT: "Wentz's agent has asked the Eagles to trade Carson"

or

REPORT " Carson has asked the Eagles to be traded"

or

REPORT " after demanding a trade, Wentz restructures his contract in order to facilitate "

This, to everyone's knowledge has not happened.   Therefore, it's still all just speculation.

 

Furthermore, listening to SIRIUS NFL on way home last night. PAT Kirwan and Jim Miller were discussing the situation when an obvious TATER called asking about Wentz being traded. Pat & Jim said, it is clear the organization is telling Wentz we believe in you, you are our guy, with the hiring of Sirianni. They said that the Eagles made it clear when hiring Sirianni he is there to get Wentz back to form. Then they talked briefly about Wentz having an issue with Doug, and how that is no longer an issue with Doug gone, how again, that they have heard nothing to believe Wentz wanted out or still wants out. They talked briefly about Watson as example. They talked about Wentz's contract etc.

Then they played Devils advocate and asked, lets say you wanted to and were able to trade wentz away, they asked the question to themselves: do you really believe Hurts is your guy? The Answer was a flat out NO! Neither believe Hurts is that guy. They asked if they believe Wentz can turn it around, Jim Miller said sure, why not? He cited how well he played prior, and that the team had obvious issues. 

 

God it's so refreshing to here people discuss the situation using logic and reason and having no agenda, no click bait stuff, just talking about it realistically. This is why they are the only outlet I pay attention to anymore. 

 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I've been around plenty long enough thanks but thanks for the patronising all the same.

I am not saying that people are defending Wentz play. I think people make a lot of excuses for his poor play but I don't see anyone blindly saying that Carson played well. But it's funny how reports come out from an anonymous source and everyone absolutely believes that it is Jeffrey and he's a locker room cancer. It's funny how Shefter tweets that the Eagles are in for player X and everyone jumps on that saying "oh yeah lets go Eagles" etc etc but because these reports are about Carson people dismiss it. It's hypocrisy.

People can be fans of Carson, people can believe he can turn it around (I've actually said myself I believe he can) but people also can say that despite those things it is time for Carson and Philly to go their separate ways. Quite why that makes us Carson haters is beyond me.

Wait wait wait.....so you won't believe that Jeffrey was behind the Josina Anderson stories, despite a lot of evidence pointing to it. 

But, you will believe that opinion pieces written by Schefter, et al, are factual and have merit? 

The issue with Schefter is that he waited until a Sunday morning to post this drivel:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30562357/sources-carson-wentz-not-interested-being-backup-qb-want-move-philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-remains-starter

He then back tracked on that, saying he didn't have sources, and he was just speculating and it was "common sense". Then he feigned ignorance that he didn't understand why people were upset that Wentz would say this on a Sunday, before a game. In this instance, Schefter is a weasel and a snake. He knew exactly what he was doing, and the mea culpa that followed was garbage. 

Now, he's come on the radio, and again stated he hasn't talked to anybody but his opinion is Wentz could be traded, but it could go either way. No crap Adam. 

When he reports on possible FAs and trades, sure, he gets the benefit of the doubt. But as far as him opining on Wentz, his opinion means as much as anybody in the Blog at this point. And frankly, his opinion is less regarded than most in here which is saying something. 

But you, you keep acting like all these speculation pieces are factual reports. That's why people are accusing you of Wentz hating. You refuse to be objective, and just fall back into, "well, there's lots of reports (wrong, there's lots of opinion pieces), so it must be true!"

 

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I’m on the fence regarding Wentz staying or going, but I see zero issue with him not speaking.  Don’t have the entitlement complex feeling as though he owes me that. 

And that's fine. I don't have "issue" with him not speaking I just think 1) it is a little out of character and 2) I think that stances is misplaced. Now maybe it's an agreement he has with the organisation or maybe it is guidance he has received but I think that is the wrong approach. Any player has the right to handle things however they want but I think given how active he has been on social media etc it is a little strange and does speak volumes. To me him not speaking isn't the issue, but to me him not speaking does say that he does want out.

16 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't hate Carson though this is the thing! I was one of his biggest fans, I don't even dislike him for having a bad year in 2020. I just feel that the time has come for both sides to part ways because of all the rumours we keep hearing. You can say they are just rumours and nothing concrete but there are a lot of fans who choose to believe what they want and demonstrate a lot of hypocrisy. I have no rage or hate for Carson.

the problem with the rumors wont go away when Carson does, it will just shift to "insert new QB's name" It's the Philly media way. There are always rumors. Always will be. 

 

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

You just replied to almost literally every post in the blog posted over the last 12 hours regarding Carson Wentz and I’m the one with Wentz living in MY head?

Nevertheless, positive or negative, I have an opinion on how’s he played, which is just that. Him wanting to leave is another story and one that shouldn’t be brushed aside because we’ve lost faith in the media (especially when it comes from reporters who are the best in the business).

Carson Wentz wants out. It’s okay to say that. If he leaves, we’ll move on and one day win another super bowl (likely within the next 50 years!). Whether or not he actually leaves is another question.

Source? 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wait wait wait.....so you won't believe that Jeffrey was behind the Josina Anderson stories, despite a lot of evidence pointing to it. 

But, you will believe that opinion pieces written by Schefter, et al, are factual and have merit? 

The issue with Schefter is that he waited until a Sunday morning to post this drivel:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30562357/sources-carson-wentz-not-interested-being-backup-qb-want-move-philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-remains-starter

He then back tracked on that, saying he didn't have sources, and he was just speculating and it was "common sense". Then he feigned ignorance that he didn't understand why people were upset that Wentz would say this on a Sunday, before a game. In this instance, Schefter is a weasel and a snake. He knew exactly what he was doing, and the mea culpa that followed was garbage. 

Now, he's come on the radio, and again stated he hasn't talked to anybody but his opinion is Wentz could be traded, but it could go either way. No crap Adam. 

When he reports on possible FAs and trades, sure, he gets the benefit of the doubt. But as far as him opining on Wentz, his opinion means as much as anybody in the Blog at this point. And frankly, his opinion is less regarded than most in here which is saying something. 

But you, you keep acting like all these speculation pieces are factual reports. That's why people are accusing you of Wentz hating. You refuse to be objective, and just fall back into, "well, there's lots of reports (wrong, there's lots of opinion pieces), so it must be true!"

 

Umm no incorrect! I am not saying that I don't believe that Jeffrey was behind the Josina Anderson stories. I am saying how it is funny how some are willing to believe that it 100% was Alshon but then dismiss these reports about Carson. It's people listening and believing the stuff they like and disregarding the stuff they don't. That was my point.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Source? 

ADAM SCHEFTER..  

Convinced at this point that greend is Wentz mom 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Umm no incorrect! I am not saying that I don't believe that Jeffrey was behind the Josina Anderson stories. I am saying how it is funny how some are willing to believe that it 100% was Alshon but then dismiss these reports about Carson. It's people listening and believing the stuff they like and disregarding the stuff they don't. That was my point.

I can explain why I think (Speculation) Alshon was the sneak, and why I know the difference between speculation and fact. 

These rumors only show up when Alshon is actually playing. There never seems to be an issue with team chemistry when Alshon is NOT playing, and since he has been injured a lot we had periods where we dont here anything bad, and then Alshon starts playing and right away we get these reports.  I could be wrong, I doubt it. 

Now I admit thats speculation.   Just like Adam Schefter is doing.

 

There is a difference in speculating based on what we do know, vs having actual facts. Schefter has stated he is Speculating. That does not make it a fact. He could be wrong, and I'm betting he is. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Umm no incorrect! I am not saying that I don't believe that Jeffrey was behind the Josina Anderson stories. I am saying how it is funny how some are willing to believe that it 100% was Alshon but then dismiss these reports about Carson. It's people listening and believing the stuff they like and disregarding the stuff they don't. That was my point.

It's called using logic and reason. Try this:

Facts we know - a player on the team came out and said Wentz couldn't handle the complex offense Doug was running (lol). There is this:

https://thebrandedsports.com/2020/07/14/alshon-jeffery-has-been-confrimed-josina-andersons-source/

Facts we know - Wentz was not happy being benched and being a back up. Well no ish, I would hope so. But all other things point to him being a good teammate and soldier after the demotion.

What we don't know - Does Wentz still want to be here? Nobody knows this. What we do have is Schefter fanning flames for click bait articles. Both he and Mort, which most "Wentz wants out" campers are relying on, both back tracked after their initial stories that they had spoken to Wentz/his agent. Both admitted it was just their opinion. But for some reason, the anti-Wentz crowd clings to this as if it was a legitimate story. 

31 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't hate Carson though this is the thing! I was one of his biggest fans, I don't even dislike him for having a bad year in 2020. I just feel that the time has come for both sides to part ways because of all the rumours we keep hearing. You can say they are just rumours and nothing concrete but there are a lot of fans who choose to believe what they want and demonstrate a lot of hypocrisy. I have no rage or hate for Carson.

The bolded line is more telling than you realize.