1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

Just based on the eye test. He's unbelievably smooth, both with his body and with his arm. His style of play is very Rodgers-esq 

Got it, looks smooth against poor talent college teams. 

Not sure Id buy a top 10 pick on that detailed evaluation. Sadly though thats what most come up with. A quick answer with not much detail to it. Just he looks like so and so. Hard pass for me. 

19 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Bro, I know you are old enough to realize how insane you sound. Dont tell me, you also think giannis antetokounmpo is the all time GOAT 🤭

Look at their resume: 13-3, best record in nfl, one loss was a garbage game.  Obliterated an excellent Vikings team in the playoffs, beat a historic dynasty in the SB.  
 

Even amongst SB winners, that is distinguished.

 

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Got it, looks smooth against poor talent college teams. 

Not sure Id buy a top 10 pick on that detailed evaluation. Sadly though thats what most come up with. A quick answer with not much detail to it. Just he looks like so and so. Hard pass for me. 

So you dismiss him because people don't give you a detailed, thorough reason for why they like him? 

Your dismissal of him is also a "quick answer with not much detail to it." You claim that he's not worth a top 10 pick and only back it up by saying that he hasn't played top end teams. 

Middlekauff is a former Eagles scout under Roseman. Really interesting questions about Wentz' skill, personality and that other teams would want him.

10 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

So you dismiss him because people don't give you a detailed, thorough reason for why they like him? 

Your dismissal of him is also a "quick answer with not much detail to it." You claim that he's not worth a top 10 pick and only back it up by saying that he hasn't played top end teams. 

I dismiss him by looking at his overall stats. Esp his stats the prev 2 years when we were not in a pandemic and players and teams were not sitting out. He was not very good with the teams he was playing against. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I know everyone in here thinks the media are a bunch of lying bullies. I don’t agree. 

Anyway, I was simply asking based on the premise laid out from BLG, who said he heard the same as McLane. 

For the record, I think the Colts make perfect sense for Wentz, which is why it would say a lot about Wentz if Reich weren’t interested. No need to get so bent out of shape over a hypothetical. 

That’s a bit hyperbolic.  Folks aren’t reacting to lies, we are reacting to opinions that aren’t fact based but seem to be presented as though they were. The media has always been impacted by opinion but in my lifetime has expanded to a 24 hour cycle and now a multimedia blast with immediate communication triggering the need to tweet it first.  Take Shefter, for example.  He and Mort were these guys we would see on Sunday morning shows for a couple minutes sharing tidbits of information. They seemed to have a lot of sources.  Then Shefter started showing up on Mike and Mike a couple times a week.  Then he is everywhere.  Add the constant tweets and he has run out of tidbits.  Further, Covid remoteness means the sources dried up and opinion has been rampant this year.  

Now there have always been some reporters that are primarily opinion.  Kempski, for example.  There have been reporters who slant the way they report.  WIP to get listeners to tune in so they can react to some of their stupid, over the top positions.  That’s not reporting. McLane clearly reports like he has an axe to grind.  Then there are idiots that throw so much spaghetti on the wall that occasionally a piece sticks, that’s Carafora on Yahoo. He may be the closest to either a liar or incredibly gullible. 
But lying bullies.  Nah.  Crying because Carson wouldn’t talk with them makes them sound more like wimps to me.

33 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I'm really intrigued by his skillset. His throws are so effortless. 

The little I've watched of his highlights has me a little worried about his arm strength.  His deep balls look like they hang up there and the WR is almost always stopping to wait for the ball. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The little I've watched of his highlights has me a little worried about his arm strength.  His deep balls look like they hang up there and the WR is almost always stopping to wait for the ball. 

His arm strength is tremendous,  top notch arm

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The little I've watched of his highlights has me a little worried about his arm strength.  His deep balls look like they hang up there and the WR is almost always stopping to wait for the ball. 

His arm strength is borderline elite

It comes down to this. If they dont trade for Watson which I highly doubt they do. The starting QB for this team is on the team right now. Its Wentz or Hurts. They wont draft another QB for a 2nd year in a row in the top 2 rounds, esp with this class. So if Wentz stays, hes the guy. If he goes they will roll with Hurts. 

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I dismiss him by looking at his overall stats. Esp his stats the prev 2 years when we were not in a pandemic and players and teams were not sitting out. He was not very good with the teams he was playing against. 

His stats his first two years weren't bad. They weren't first round pick level, but they weren't horrible. For some reason you want to knock him for his dramatic improvement. To most people, it's a good thing when a player progresses and grows within a system.

Just now, Giddyunc said:

His stats his first two years weren't bad. They weren't first round pick level, but they weren't horrible. For some reason you want to knock him for his dramatic improvement. To most people, it's a good thing when a player progresses and grows within a system.

Id agree if it wasnt a season with a * next to it. 

Could he be a draft-able player? Yes, but hes not top 10 talent. 

We have made way to many mistakes to take a risky player with a top 10 pick. Esp when you have a QB you just drafted with better college success. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think the issue with Wilson is that it’s hard for us to look past he played at BYU.  I mean if you put him on an SEC or Big Ten Squad, with the talent on those teams, he might be the #1 pick this year.  You can see he played against not so elite defenses.  Well he didn’t have elite players on the field with him either.  He’s got the arm.  That’s for sure.   

I think the League is getting away from this type of thinking (specifically when it comes to QBs). I don't have the stats to back it up, but it seems that teams are putting less emphasis on conference strength when it comes to QB evaluations. Small school QBs, at least a decade ago, would rarely be taken in the first round. I don't think that's true anymore.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Id agree if it wasnt a season with a * next to it. 

Could he be a draft-able player? Yes, but hes not top 10 talent. 

We have made way to many mistakes to take a risky player with a top 10 pick. Esp when you have a QB you just drafted with better college success. 

Come on. We can't use this year for evaluations of players? That's absurd. 

3 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Come on. We can't use this year for evaluations of players? That's absurd. 

But your not even evaluating him. You said all you have is he is smooth with the eye test, lol. Now thats absurd. Lets set the franchise back a few more years with that eval. 

I still truly believe Doug's scheme, game decisions, and lack of game planning was a big issue with both QBs. The fact Doug is gone says the Eagles agree. They will not draft a QB, at least in the first half of the draft. 

12 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I think the League is getting away from this type of thinking (specifically when it comes to QBs). I don't have the stats to back it up, but it seems that teams are putting less emphasis on conference strength when it comes to QB evaluations. Small school QBs, at least a decade ago, would rarely be taken in the first round. I don't think that's true anymore.

Can you name the small school QBs drafted in the last few years in the first round? List is actually extremely small. Success rate of them is even smaller. 

No Trey Lance love?

Another reason to defend Wentz for not talking...

Lurie has embarrassed people in the past with late moves after people speak with the media.  Doug last year with the coaching changes, Doug this year with the firing after the Doug/Howie press conference.

Do you think Wentz wants to go out there and wax poetic about how much he loves the city, fans, team, and doesn't want to play anywhere else just for Lurie to trade him 2 days later?  He probably feels like he'll talk once he knows where he's going to be.

31 minutes ago, RLC said:

Middlekauff is a former Eagles scout under Roseman. Really interesting questions about Wentz' skill, personality and that other teams would want him.

Man. So is the argument that allllllll these folks are lying? Everyone is out to get Wentz? Is that the argument? Or because some Eagles come out to support him, he hasn’t damaged his relationship with several other players who don’t have enough clout to speak up?

 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

But your not even evaluating him. You said all you have is he is smooth with the eye test, lol. Now thats absurd. Lets set the franchise back a few more years with that eval. 

I still truly believe Doug's scheme, game decisions, and lack of game planning was a big issue with both QBs. The fact Doug is gone says the Eagles agree. They will not draft a QB, at least in the first half of the draft. 

You're crazy if you think that I'm going to write a detailed analysis explaining why I like him just to please you. If you want that, go to any of the countless draft profile websites. 

And again, you're complaining that I'm not "evaluating" him, yet your issues with Wilson apparently are nothing more than 1) him playing well during Covid and 2) having average stats during his first two years. 

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think the issue with Wilson is that it’s hard for us to look past he played at BYU.  I mean if you put him on an SEC or Big Ten Squad, with the talent on those teams, he might be the #1 pick this year.  You can see he played against not so elite defenses.  Well he didn’t have elite players on the field with him either.  He’s got the arm.  That’s for sure.   

How many wives do you think he has? Wonder if he’s part of @Utebird’s tribe? 

19 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

You're crazy if you think that I'm going to write a detailed analysis explaining why I like him just to please you. If you want that, go to any of the countless draft profile websites. 

And again, you're complaining that I'm not "evaluating" him, yet your issues with Wilson apparently are nothing more than 1) him playing well during Covid and 2) having average stats during his first two years. 

My issue is a bunch of people never heard of this kid until a month ago when his name was popping up on NFL network as a candidate to be in the top 10. Then all of a sudden people " love how smooth he was" lol. I asked why you liked him and that all I was given. 

You ladies can cream yourselves all you want over the kid and his smoothness. I know he wont be drafted by the Eagles. Just like Fields, I see a extremely high rate of him being a backup at best within 4 years after the trail run is over. I'll look you up in a few years after he gets his chances. I've been quite successful in the past on these thoughts. 

To answer my own question before there is only 1 QB in the last 10 years from a smaller school that has been successful out of the 15 roughly selected in teh first round from smaller schools. Most of them people wouldnt even say are smaller so the list could be less depending who you ask. Josh Allen from Wyoming and his success has been short term so far. I will never count Lamar cause he is a horrible QB, just a fast runner. 

3 hours ago, Thrive said:

Bummer. Almost sounds like we also want him out. It’s unfortunate that it came down to this.

Unfortunate, but necessary due to Carson Wentz' atrocious performance last year and constant decline over several years.

The #1 person to blame for this fiasco is Carson Wentz.  If he was dedicated to his craft like real franchise QB's are, we would never be in this position.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whatever ends up happening there is no other way to describe it than as a complete disaster. It's almost comical how badly mismanaged everything was. Thank god they won a Super Bowl 3 years ago because I really doubt they will be close again with this current FO.

Our Super Bowl win was pure luck.  A total fluke of a season.

Mac Jones would be a great 3rd round pick for all the reasons people forced themselves to like the Hurts pick (except that Jones is actually a QB/passer).

Jones will fall in the draft for 4 reasons: 1. Scouts will dismiss everything he did because his WR's were Smith/Waddle.  2. He can't throw a football 80 yards off his back foot with his wrist.  3. He's not particularly mobile.  4.  This is already a hyped QB class up top, the rest will be under-valued.

Counterpoints:  1. Jones was unquestionably better with Smith/half a season of Waddle than Tua was with Smith/Ruggs/Jeudy/Waddle...and Tua went top 5.  2. He has a strong arm and can make all the throws (unlike the guy we drafted round 2).  3.  We need someone to pass the football, not run it.  Let's not reinvent this wheel all over again.  

He has a quick release and absolutely outstanding accuracy.  When you have no future at the QB position (sorry, we don't) and you can't pick the latest, greatest, annual generational talent, you actually ARE supposed to draft QB's in rounds 2-4.  He could be Colt McCoy/Matt Barkley 2.0...but that's OK.  All that BS about Hurts last year actually applies now: a mid round pick with the chance to develop into a starter who becomes a backup actually IS reasonable value.  It's stupid when you have the franchise QB, but now we don't.