November 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: I know, right? What's to even apologize for? Surely not the disdain he had for the rule of law, or the blatant disregard for the sanctity of democracy itself, or radicalizing his followers into being domestic terrorists, etc. In retrospect he was basically the perfect president with no flaws, so it would be weird to even consider having to apologize for anything, ya know? We'll agree to disagree. I don't want him to run and hope he gets locked up so he can't run. You can once again focus on that or continue to focus on the other which we aren't going to agree on.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: We'll agree to disagree. I don't want him to run and hope he gets locked up so he can't run. You can once again focus on that or continue to focus on the other which we aren't going to agree on. But if he does run, you will vote for him?
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: When asked if elections were important, you deflected to some unsubstantiated BS about "the left stealing elections." Which is something a person with a severe mental illness would say to avoid facing the reality that they support the most immoral, corrupt, abhorrent piece of human garbage in our nation's political history. Good talk. I see Democrats that same way, so again, we aren't going to agree.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: We'll agree to disagree. I don't want him to run and hope he gets locked up so he can't run. You can once again focus on that or continue to focus on the other which we aren't going to agree on. He'll get your vote, which is all that matters. I'll focus on your inability to be tethered to reality, because it's extremely unhealthy and detrimental to our country.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Toastrel said: But if he does run, you will vote for him? My state is solid red, so I probably won't vote. Would I vote for him over the Dems who I see as just as evil in other ways? Yep.
November 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: Good talk. I see Democrats that same way, so again, we aren't going to agree. Enjoy a decade of L's coming your way. Just don't ever act surprised or confused over where it all went wrong for you.
November 16, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Diehardfan said: I'm voting GOP no matter what in 4 years. 3rd party elects Dems the same as if I voted for Biden and that isn't happening. Fix the broken two party system and we can talk. Until then voting against more than voting for...the same way many will be voting against Trump vs for Biden or whomever they run. you're validating the piss poor candidates by doing that. voting to own the libs is why the gop is in the situation it's in.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: He'll get your vote, which is all that matters. I'll focus on your inability to be tethered to reality, because it's extremely unhealthy and detrimental to our country. Well, then act like some of the idiots on the left I know you are better than. Joe Rogan talked about this how there is a mentality on the left where it's not enough to agree on some points...you must conform to ALL points or be destroyed.
November 16, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: We just aren't going to agree on this one, so no need to go in circles. I get how much people hate him. I hate what the Democrats are doing to our country just as much. We agree on him not running. I live in a solid red state, so chances are I may not even vote in 4 years. If I had to....yeah I'd do it and not be sorry about it. He'll be gone in a few years but the changes the left would make would last a lot longer. Again, we'll just disagree. If he gets locked up from now until then I wouldn't be upset at all. So your vote, like mine, is meaningless. So vote 3rd party and be able to look yourself in the mirror. It's what I do.
November 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: So your vote, like mine, is meaningless. So vote 3rd party and be able to look yourself in the mirror. It's what I do. I'm staying the f home unless I have to vote honestly. I don't agree with the 3rd party people in my state. 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said: you're validating the piss poor candidates by doing that. voting to own the libs is why the gop is in the situation it's in. And I don't agree with the vengeance is mine faction of the right.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Well, then act like some of the idiots on the left I know you are better than. Joe Rogan talked about this how there is a mentality on the left where it's not enough to agree on some points...you must conform to ALL points or be destroyed. I don't want agreement on all points, just one. One single point... Is democracy the foundation of our country?
November 16, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Well, then act like some of the idiots on the left I know you are better than. Joe Rogan talked about this how there is a mentality on the left where it's not enough to agree on some points...you must conform to ALL points or be destroyed. what political point can you disagree on with the trumpcucks and still be accepted, as anything but a RINO ?
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, vikas83 said: So your vote, like mine, is meaningless. So vote 3rd party and be able to look yourself in the mirror. It's what I do. That's what I did in 2016. 2020 was a different story, as I consider Trump a unique threat and if all I accomplished was voting against him, I'm fine with that.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: I'm staying the f home unless I have to vote honestly. I don't agree with the 3rd party people in my state. That works too. No reason you have to vote for one of the awful choices. Choosing not to vote is perfectly reasonable. Voting for bad candidates just gets worse ones in the future. Just now, Boogyman said: That's what I did in 2016. 2020 was a different story, as I consider Trump a unique threat and if all I accomplished was voting against him, I'm fine with that. Had I lived in a swing state (like PA), I would have voted for Biden given the existential threat Trump poses. But I live in CA, so...
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, vikas83 said: That works too. No reason you have to vote for one of the awful choices. Choosing not to vote is perfectly reasonable. Voting for bad candidates just gets worse ones in the future. I hope he doesn't run and said it would be great if he got locked up so DeSantis could run. That's about as far as I'm going on this right now, which is a pretty big step from what I posted in the past.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: I hope he doesn't run and said it would be great if he got locked up so DeSantis could run. That's about as far as I'm going on this right now, which is a pretty big step from what I posted in the past. Fair enough. And you were the only one to graciously come back after the election. No issues here.
November 16, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't want agreement on all points, just one. One single point... Is democracy the foundation of our country? And we will disagree on this going forward. I see the Dems as destroying that and you see Trump. Neither of us are going to move, so label me whatever you want and let's both go on and enjoy our days. I've moved pretty far from where I felt in the past. We both hope to hell he isn't on the ticket.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: And we will disagree on this going forward. I see the Dems as destroying that and you see Trump. Neither of us are going to move, so label me whatever you want and let's both go on and enjoy our days. I've moved pretty far from where I felt in the past. Let's just move on. in what ways do you see the dems as evil & destroying our country?
November 16, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: That works too. No reason you have to vote for one of the awful choices. Choosing not to vote is perfectly reasonable. Voting for bad candidates just gets worse ones in the future. Had I lived in a swing state (like PA), I would have voted for Biden given the existential threat Trump poses. But I live in CA, so... Yeah my NJ vote is meaningless as well but I still felt the need to vote against him.
November 16, 20223 yr Just now, mr_hunt said: in what ways do you see the dems as evil & destroying our country? He heard some stuff at the last Trump rally he attended. Also, did you see Tucker the other night?!?
November 16, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: in what ways do you see the dems as evil & destroying our country? There really isn't a point in discussing that. I'm getting out of the other circular argument and don't need to start another.
November 16, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: And we will disagree on this going forward. I see the Dems as destroying that and you see Trump. Neither of us are going to move, so label me whatever you want and let's both go on and enjoy our days. I've moved pretty far from where I felt in the past. We both hope to hell he isn't on the ticket. Delusional. Mentally ill. Utterly divorced from reality.
November 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Delusional. Mentally ill. Utterly divorced from reality. You seem like a great person. We disagree but I have nothing against you. Good talk.
November 16, 20223 yr At this point, the big money guys need to step up and make sure Trump is stopped. Murdoch, Schwartzman, Griffin, etc. need to sit down Pence, Christie, Pompeo and the other guys with no chance and tell them to sit it out and get behind DeSantis. They can all be bought. Money for their foundations or whatever. This has to be a head to head clash -- splitting the non-Trump vote will be a replay of 2016.
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