lol no one wants open borders, that's just a crazy, right wing talking point. 

 

 

On 3/20/2021 at 11:41 PM, NVeagle said:

^^^^^

Biden:

Illegal aliens first.

American citizens second.

1 hour ago, NVeagle said:

 

Odd that there are so many articles and stories about it.

Is the media being kept from it, a special, secret media?

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Odd that there are so many articles and stories about it.

Is the media being kept from it, a special, secret media?

Most transparent Administration ever......

The border has been a catastrophe for 20+ years now, and seemingly no one in Washington is willing to actually address the problems. Republicans talk tough and use 7th century solutions (and still somehow build only 5 miles of wall) while Democrats invite more and more people in by rewarding lawlessness. Here's some actual things we should be doing to try and address the problem.

1. End the war on drugs -- seriously, this would solve a massive part of the problem. These people are fleeing failed narco-states run by cartels. Let's accept that (i) Americans want drugs, (ii) in a free society, people should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't endanger others (e.g., driving) and (iii) drugs come from these countries. Start with at least legalizing weed, but I'd go further and legalize/de-criminalize drugs and remove the power of the cartels. Let the cartels start competing...with Phillip Morris.

2. Crackdown on Employers -- make the penalties for hiring illegal immigrants VERY high, so there is no cost advantage in hiring them. Remove one of the reasons they are coming here -- to find work.

3. No benefits for illegals -- I don't want entitlement programs for anyone, but giving them to people here illegally is genuinely insane. No welfare, no Obamacare, no driver's licenses, etc. Make living here illegally HARDER, not easier. Incentives matter.

4. Invest in border security from this millenium -- drones, more agents, etc. The wall is an idiotic idea. More border security is not.

5. Build more detention centers to house people and hire more immigration judges -- stop just releasing people and hoping they show up to a court date. I actually think using hotels at the border that have no business right now due to the pandemic is smart. Hear the amnesty cases and comply with international agreements. 

6. Stop talking about a path to citizenship -- stop it. Just stop it. No one who comes here illegally should be allowed to become a citizen. Finding a path to legal status for the millions here? OK, we can discuss that and it makes sense. But letting them become citizens is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who played by the rules. 

Of course, none of this will happen. It's too logical.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

1. End the war on drugs -- seriously, this would solve a massive part of the problem. These people are fleeing failed narco-states run by cartels. Let's accept that (i) Americans want drugs, (ii) in a free society, people should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't endanger others (e.g., driving) and (iii) drugs come from these countries. Start with at least legalizing weed, but I'd go further and legalize/de-criminalize drugs and remove the power of the cartels. Let the cartels start competing...with Phillip Morris.

This.  If you don't do this one, the rest are meaningless, because they're going to keep coming.  Anyone who's against legalization is pro illegal immigration.

40 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The border has been a catastrophe for 20+ years now, and seemingly no one in Washington is willing to actually address the problems. Republicans talk tough and use 7th century solutions (and still somehow build only 5 miles of wall) while Democrats invite more and more people in by rewarding lawlessness. Here's some actual things we should be doing to try and address the problem.

1. End the war on drugs -- seriously, this would solve a massive part of the problem. These people are fleeing failed narco-states run by cartels. Let's accept that (i) Americans want drugs, (ii) in a free society, people should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't endanger others (e.g., driving) and (iii) drugs come from these countries. Start with at least legalizing weed, but I'd go further and legalize/de-criminalize drugs and remove the power of the cartels. Let the cartels start competing...with Phillip Morris.

2. Crackdown on Employers -- make the penalties for hiring illegal immigrants VERY high, so there is no cost advantage in hiring them. Remove one of the reasons they are coming here -- to find work.

3. No benefits for illegals -- I don't want entitlement programs for anyone, but giving them to people here illegally is genuinely insane. No welfare, no Obamacare, no driver's licenses, etc. Make living here illegally HARDER, not easier. Incentives matter.

4. Invest in border security from this millenium -- drones, more agents, etc. The wall is an idiotic idea. More border security is not.

5. Build more detention centers to house people and hire more immigration judges -- stop just releasing people and hoping they show up to a court date. I actually think using hotels at the border that have no business right now due to the pandemic is smart. Hear the amnesty cases and comply with international agreements. 

6. Stop talking about a path to citizenship -- stop it. Just stop it. No one who comes here illegally should be allowed to become a citizen. Finding a path to legal status for the millions here? OK, we can discuss that and it makes sense. But letting them become citizens is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who played by the rules. 

Of course, none of this will happen. It's too logical.

Ding ding ding, Fing winner, winner, illegal dinner. Excellent points

I believe #2 is the ONLY way to really address the issue. They come and get jobs BECAUSE THEY CAN. Because the punishment meted out to employers of illegals is still cheaper than hiring real employees and having to pay taxes, etc.

 

43 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The border has been a catastrophe for 20+ years now, and seemingly no one in Washington is willing to actually address the problems. Republicans talk tough and use 7th century solutions (and still somehow build only 5 miles of wall) while Democrats invite more and more people in by rewarding lawlessness. Here's some actual things we should be doing to try and address the problem.

1. End the war on drugs -- seriously, this would solve a massive part of the problem. These people are fleeing failed narco-states run by cartels. Let's accept that (i) Americans want drugs, (ii) in a free society, people should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't endanger others (e.g., driving) and (iii) drugs come from these countries. Start with at least legalizing weed, but I'd go further and legalize/de-criminalize drugs and remove the power of the cartels. Let the cartels start competing...with Phillip Morris.

2. Crackdown on Employers -- make the penalties for hiring illegal immigrants VERY high, so there is no cost advantage in hiring them. Remove one of the reasons they are coming here -- to find work.

3. No benefits for illegals -- I don't want entitlement programs for anyone, but giving them to people here illegally is genuinely insane. No welfare, no Obamacare, no driver's licenses, etc. Make living here illegally HARDER, not easier. Incentives matter.

4. Invest in border security from this millenium -- drones, more agents, etc. The wall is an idiotic idea. More border security is not.

5. Build more detention centers to house people and hire more immigration judges -- stop just releasing people and hoping they show up to a court date. I actually think using hotels at the border that have no business right now due to the pandemic is smart. Hear the amnesty cases and comply with international agreements. 

6. Stop talking about a path to citizenship -- stop it. Just stop it. No one who comes here illegally should be allowed to become a citizen. Finding a path to legal status for the millions here? OK, we can discuss that and it makes sense. But letting them become citizens is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who played by the rules. 

Of course, none of this will happen. It's too logical.

I actually came in here just to scroll through 7 pages of people b****ing and moaning to ask if anyone had actual solutions to propose. Good work!

10 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I actually came in here just to scroll through 7 pages of people b****ing and moaning to ask if anyone had actual solutions to propose. Good work!

@vikas83 for POTUS 2024!!!

6 hours ago, NVeagle said:

@vikas83 for POTUS 2024!!!

With Dinesh Dsouza as VP!!!

17 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Ding ding ding, Fing winner, winner, illegal dinner. Excellent points

I believe #2 is the ONLY way to really address the issue. They come and get jobs BECAUSE THEY CAN. Because the punishment meted out to employers of illegals is still cheaper than hiring real employees and having to pay taxes, etc.

 

I hear this a lot but I've listened to a few investigative radio programs that have looked into big employers of illegal immigrants and they have all concluded that for the most part the illegals get fake papers that check out when they cross the border so that they appear to be legal to the hiring companies. For the most part the companies follow the required procedures to check into the employees and everything checks out. Based on that understanding, my belief has been that the penalties don't need to be harsher, rather the vetting processes and procedures need to be more thorough and exhaustive. 

15 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

I hear this a lot but I've listened to a few investigative radio programs that have looked into big employers of illegal immigrants and they have all concluded that for the most part the illegals get fake papers that check out when they cross the border so that they appear to be legal to the hiring companies. For the most part the companies follow the required procedures to check into the employees and everything checks out. Based on that understanding, my belief has been that the penalties don't need to be harsher, rather the vetting processes and procedures need to be more thorough and exhaustive. 

The Social Security Administration estimates that 1.8 million immigrants were working in the United States with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010.

 It also estimates that 3.9 million foreigners worked "under the table" in 2010.

So, twice as many work under the table than have fake documents.

There are systems in place to verify I-9s, but there is no requirement companies use them in most states.

lol, at least he's still with it enough to understand how badly he effed up.

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

lol, at least he's still with it enough to understand how badly he effed up.

So already a huge improvement over Drumpf!

Just now, Toastrel said:

So already a huge improvement over Drumpf!

Yeah, Biden creating a disaster at the border because he ended successful Trump-era policies and later being forced to re-implement those policies because of the disaster he created is a huge sign of an improvement lmfao. so much winning.  

On 3/19/2021 at 9:03 PM, TEW said:

Except that’s not what will happen. Instead, the lower population states in the northern US are going to have hundreds of thousands of "new voters” shipped in to flip them to blue states.

Good luck getting away from leftist insanity after that, because a US government under total leftist control will follow you to the ends of the earth to take "your fair share” from you.

They don’t even hide their intent:

 

 

9 hours ago, NVeagle said:

@vikas83 for POTUS 2024!!!

 

3 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

With Dinesh Dsouza as VP!!!

No thanks to both. But appreciate the sentiment. I enjoy my life too much.

And would rather pass on the VP I'd want to slap upside the head all day.

7 hours ago, Toastrel said:

The Social Security Administration estimates that 1.8 million immigrants were working in the United States with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010.

 It also estimates that 3.9 million foreigners worked "under the table" in 2010.

So, twice as many work under the table than have fake documents.

There are systems in place to verify I-9s, but there is no requirement companies use them in most states.

The numbers you posted do not align with the programs I referenced, but it is possible (likely?) that those programs were focused on industries that get checked enough to require papers. Either way, my point remains... I think a big first step to curb illegal employment is to enhance requirements for employers to verify legal status. The problem becomes doing this is a way that does not disenfranchise immigrants that are here legally. 

just 40K, no biggie

On 3/22/2021 at 7:15 AM, Alpha_TATEr said:

So much material for SNL in the last 60 days and basically nothing from them. Guess they are having trouble getting up the steps...

13 hours ago, NVeagle said:

So much material for SNL in the last 60 days and basically nothing from them. Guess they are having trouble getting up the steps...

wouldn't you be more in your element watching the comedy skits on fox news ? 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

wouldn't you be more in your element watching the comedy skits on fox news ? 

 

26 minutes ago, NVeagle said:

 

see, i knew this was more in your wheelhouse. 

 

I wonder how many million that piece of wall cost?

 

I wonder how man drones and other modern sensors you could get for that money?

 

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2020-07/OIG-20-52-Jul20.pdf