January 23, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: Wait.... what? So your take is everyone is female because everyone has an X chromosome? i'm pretty sure i figured out what he was saying. just sayin'
January 23, 20251 yr 40 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: who knew science would be so difficult It's only the ones on the polar ends of the political spectrum that make science difficult.
January 23, 20251 yr The Y chromosome is present at conception for male embryos. It doesn't however, "activate" (is start transcribing the SRY gene) for a month or 2. Unless you have a mutation in the gene in which case it may never turn on and you're a phenotypical female with all the lady parts. Or if it's translocated onto the X chromosome in which case you may have ovarian and testicular development, although I believe most of them still develop uteruses (basing that on one of my patients' genetics consults but could be wrong). Either way the "large vs small reproductive cell production" seems like a clunky way to phrase it. But this was never really about being biologically accurate anyway so whatever.
January 23, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: conception is a more nebulous term. it's like the general social term for "gettin' pregnant". it's been used in literature to mean variously everything from sexual relations that lead to pregnancy through to implantation. fertilization is the more accurate specific term for when the sperm hits up the egg and sex can be determined. someone isn't considered pregnant though until implantation. You’re being pendantic which I knew you would be. All conception is fertilization. It doesn’t mean having sex or anything other than creating an embryo. Technically if you’re being pendantic you could claim embryos made via IVF aren’t "conceived” because it wasn’t done through the process of sex. But even a scientist uses the term interchangeably and will use language like "conceived in a lab”. The fact remains that all human beings sex can be determined at fertilization (which happens at conception). Everyone doesn’t "start out a female because they have an X chromosome.”
January 23, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, paco said: Wait.... what? So your take is everyone is female because everyone has an X chromosome? My take is everyone is the same sex at conception. The Y chromosome determines if you develop male characteristics later. Biology 101.
January 23, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i'm pretty sure i figured out what he was saying. just sayin' Then you'll need to explain Egg - X chromosome Sperm - Y chromosome Embroy - XX or XY from the moment the egg is fertilized. To recap he said: 54 minutes ago, toolg said: Everyone is female at conception. We all have the X chromosome.
January 23, 20251 yr Ok there's only one way to settle this. Everyone gets a karyotype test and whip em out and we'll take a survey.
January 23, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: Then you'll need to explain Egg - X chromosome Sperm - Y chromosome Embroy - XX or XY from the moment the egg is fertilized. To recap he said: Right. And we all belong to the sex of the X chromosomes at conception, That's the law. Sperm is either X or Y
January 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: My take is everyone is the same sex at conception. The Y chromosome determines if you develop male characteristics later. Biology 101. You seem to think conception means having sex. It’s not. Here’s some Cleveland Clinic explanation that may help you.
January 23, 20251 yr Just now, binkybink77 said: You seem to think conception means having sex. It’s not. Here’s some Cleveland Clinic explanation that may help you. No. You are wrong. I know conception is when the egg and sperm meet.
January 23, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: You seem to think conception means having sex. It’s not. Here’s some Cleveland Clinic explanation that may help you. 7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: The Y chromosome is present at conception for male embryos. It doesn't however, "activate" (is start transcribing the SRY gene) for a month or 2. Unless you have a mutation in the gene in which case it may never turn on and you're a phenotypical female with all the lady parts. Or if it's translocated onto the X chromosome in which case you may have ovarian and testicular development, although I believe most of them still develop uteruses (basing that on one of my patients' genetics consults but could be wrong). Either way the "large vs small reproductive cell production" seems like a clunky way to phrase it. But this was never really about being biologically accurate anyway so whatever.
January 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: No. You are wrong. I know conception is when the egg and sperm meet. Then I can’t help you.
January 23, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, toolg said: My take is everyone is the same sex at conception. The Y chromosome determines if you develop male characteristics later. Biology 101. Good lord, I knew this was going to shift to "the y chromosome triggers primary sex characteristics". I'm out
January 23, 20251 yr I'm not taking sides on this one. Just clarifying the biology. Y'all can measure Ds and lady Ds on your own.
January 23, 20251 yr The activation of the gene that creates your genitals is different than possessing the Y chromosome that is determined by the sperm that fertilizes the egg. Yes there are instances, although rare, where it doesn’t activate and you don’t end up with a P. But if you had a DNA test done you would be determined to be male. So again, at conception isn’t incorrect if you’re trying to use the science behind it. But if you want to believe you were a girl for awhile I’m not going to stop you.
January 23, 20251 yr The EO is scientifically ambiguous. Yes, we all inherit the X chromosome from our mother. Yes, we all get a X or Y chromosome from our father. However the Y chromosome in males is not activated until well after conception. At conception we all have the same sex. We are all technically female. 4 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: The activation of the gene that creates your genitals is different than possessing the Y chromosome that is determined by the sperm that fertilizes the egg. Yes there are instances, although rare, where it doesn’t activate and you don’t end up with a P. But if you had a DNA test done you would be determined to be male. So again, at conception isn’t incorrect if you’re trying to use the science behind it. But if you want to believe you were a girl for awhile I’m not going to stop you. It is fact. Biology.
January 23, 20251 yr 26 minutes ago, paco said: Wait.... what? So your take is everyone is female because everyone has an X chromosome? Man, I feel like a woman.
January 23, 20251 yr IVF Patient: Wow, we got 6 embryo's, do we know how many are male and how many are female? IVF Doctor: They all have an X chromosome so they are all female IVF Patient: None of them have a Y chromosome? IVF Doctor: No, 2 do. But they have an X chromosome so they are still female at this time.
January 23, 20251 yr https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/ Quote All human individuals—whether they have an XX, an XY, or an atypical sex chromosome combination—begin development from the same starting point. During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. @binkybink77
January 23, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, toolg said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/ @binkybink77 You’re talking about phenotype vs. genotype. Your genotype determines your sex. Your phenotype describes the physical manifestation of your genotype. So if you have a Y chromosome, which is determined at conception, your sex is male. If you want to call yourself a girl because your P hasn’t formed yet go ahead but you are still biologically of the male sex.
January 23, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, binkybink77 said: You’re talking about phenotype vs. genotype. Your genotype determines your sex. Your phenotype describes the physical manifestation of your genotype. So if you have a Y chromosome, which is determined at conception, your sex is male. If you want to call yourself a girl because your P hasn’t formed yet go ahead but you are still biologically of the male sex. Show me where Trump's EO differentiates between phenotype vs. genotype.
January 23, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, toolg said: Show me where Trump's EO differentiates between phenotype vs. genotype. Why would it need to? The scientific community determines your sex via your genotype. You wouldn’t be able to, e.g., do an ultrasound on an early stage embryo and determine the sex because the gene hasn’t activated forming the genitals which become the observable phenotype. But you would be able to test the embryo immediately and know if it’s male or female by its genotype. That’s what it means.
January 23, 20251 yr 13 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Man, I feel like a woman. We know. We know your voting history.
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