I like the trade...but the only thing I don't like is trading behind Dallas and NY.  I hate giving those asshat teams a chance to take someone we want just like last year.  

1 minute ago, Infam said:

From the moment we drafted Hurts i loved the pick. He is a great franchise QB and by the way: I am so glad that Wentz is gone. I liked DP, but at this point I am super happy with the new coaches too. The one thing I didn't want was us drafting a QB. Trading back was the best thing we could do. 

Now I'll spend the rest of the evening drooling over Waddle! Couldn't be happier, the Eagles did everything right so far both this year.

Yeah the Eagles are cleaning up the gigantic mess they made for themselves. None of this is from them doing the right thing. If they didn’t believe in Wentz then they shouldn’t have paid him the money. If they wanted to trade him then they should have done it earlier when he actually had real value. When they drafted Hurts they basically put a clock on the tenure of Wentz, but I’m betting that clock went off way earlier than they expected. They didn’t take on the largest cap hit (during the Covid era mind you) in NFL history cause they’re doing things right. They’re bumbling and stumbling all over the place here. 

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If they all take a WR then that means another top player will just drop to the Eagles. 

 

I will never understand the obsession fans have had with WR in this draft as if this team is a WR away from competing.  Our roster sucks.  It is old and there are holes all around it.  We desperately need young talent on defense much more than we need a WR. 

Because this year's top WRs are seen to be special especially compared to the defensive talent. 
So getting someone who could be the next Julio or AJ for the next ten years is not a chance you don't want to miss. 

4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Pretty much, I actually really don't care now. There was some fantastic talent in those first 10 picks and now we are out of the top 10 so that means Howie needs to think a little more so that just killed whatever hope I had for difference maker. 

Wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade back again. Maybe this is all just to load up for a 2022 run or maybe this is all to throw assets to get Watson. No one really can tell, but I’m not convinced Howie is going to pick the right players regardless. 

16 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Oh they have made it clear unless he just blows everyone away, he's a placeholder. 

Right. Now if you wanted to trade Hurts you just hurt his value smh. 

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

My problem isn’t with the player but with the choice. I can’t ignore the fact they made the selection of Hurts contributed to the breakdown of Wentz. The bigger issue here is the team at that moment had much bigger needs than a backup quarterback. How about getting a starting caliber safety instead? Worst part is their actions clearly show they’ve not fully invested in Hurts. Why the heck did they draft him if the don’t even want to give him a chance? Who picked him in the first place? 

If drafting Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round contributed to the breakdown of Carson Wentz during the 2020 season, then Wentz doesn't have the mental fortitude to be an NFL starting quarterback.  Seriously.

11 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Meh who cares. I have zero faith in them drafting worth a damn anyways

And 3 first rounders next yr doesn't really excite me. I believe it was 2019 that both the Giants and Raiders had 3 firsts. How's that going? 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah the Eagles are cleaning up the gigantic mess they made for themselves. None of this is from them doing the right thing. If they didn’t believe in Wentz then they shouldn’t have paid him the money. If they wanted to trade him then they should have done it earlier when he actually had real value. When they drafted Hurts they basically put a clock on the tenure of Wentz, but I’m betting that clock went off way earlier than they expected. They didn’t take on the largest cap hit (during the Covid era mind you) in NFL history cause they’re doing things right. They’re bumbling and stumbling all over the place here. 

They didn't draft Hurts to take over from Wentz, I agree. He was an insurance policy in case things go wrong. And boy did they go wrong! Wentz was so Fing bad I still can't believe it. Was that because of Hurts? Who cares, even if i want him out of here! 

But thank god we had this insurance policy. That sets us up so much better for the future. So it was smart to hedge your bets, because that Wentz bet stunk big time.

1 minute ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

And 3 first rounders next yr doesn't really excite me. I believe it was 2019 that both the Giants and Raiders had 3 firsts. How's that going? 

Not so great, raiders reached on a bunch of players and are still mediocre. Giants is a wait and see this year they are putting some talent together. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade back again. Maybe this is all just to load up for a 2022 run or maybe this is all to throw assets to get Watson. No one really can tell, but I’m not convinced Howie is going to pick the right players regardless. 

I really hope this is not the case.

The problem is that we won't be able to pay 3 first rounders next year, so don't expect Howie to keep those picks. That's the part of this deal that I don't like.  Howie needs to stop kicking money down the road, so we can afford to draft 3 first rounders.  We will end up trading a couple of those away to move up or he will keep trading them forward which won't do much good until he gets money off the books.

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If they all take a WR then that means another top player will just drop to the Eagles. 

 

I will never understand the obsession fans have had with WR in this draft as if this team is a WR away from competing.  Our roster sucks.  It is old and there are holes all around it.  We desperately need young talent on defense much more than we need a WR. 

I'm not in love with a receiver. If we had a better pick I'd hope for Pitts. You do not want a defensive player at #12 unless I guess its Surtain. Its just bad value. I want the BPA. 

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Not so great, raiders reached on a bunch of players and are still mediocre. Giants is a wait and see this year they are putting some talent together. 

That was my point. Combine that with who we currently have calling shots and it's kinda hard to be optimistic

7 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

And 3 first rounders next yr doesn't really excite me. I believe it was 2019 that both the Giants and Raiders had 3 firsts. How's that going? 

Last 2 teams I remember having 3 1st rounders were the Raiders and Dolphins.....and their picks SUCKEd. 

7 minutes ago, CHIP72 said:

If drafting Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round contributed to the breakdown of Carson Wentz during the 2020 season, then Wentz doesn't have the mental fortitude to be an NFL starting quarterback.  Seriously.

I agree with that. With that being the case this is a circumstance where they just got rid of the SB MVP because of the serious shadow he casted over Wentz. They also knew how all that effected Wentz and what do they do? The very next season they created the same issues. On top of that their current actions suggest they still haven’t learned. The quarterback factory is out of control. 

13 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That is not a fact. We do not know what the 2022 cap will look like.

It is a fact we had 73 million in cap space 3 weeks ago.  It is a fact that Howie had to shave 48 million off of that cap number to clean up his own mess.  It is a fact he shaved 35.9 million off the 2023 cap number to clean up his own mess.  It is a fact that we are 23rd in cap space for 2022, and 27th in cap space for 2023.

You should be very concerned that gross mismanagement cause Howie Roseman caused the Eagles to spend 84.2 million in cap room the next two years ( also a fact ) while not adding any players to the roster.

7 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I really hope this is not the case.

At this point no one really can tell what they’re going to do. 

So how does next years draft class look? 😑

I hate the crap outta this trade. It might work out if the dolphins suck, but i don't think they wiil. so it could well be a late one. 

but i guess in their evaluations they don't see much for a difference moving back that much. but i also don't think they're good evaluators and i'd rather have a better chance at a better player by picking higher. 

part of the joy of going through a sht season is getting the high pick out of it. that gratification is delayed or doesn't come at all. goddamn it. 

they better nail this draft or there will be hell to pay.

25 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Fair point, but things are a Little different this year. Broncos took Fant in 1st in 2019, then Jeudy/Hamler in 1st/2nd last year. Panthers could but with DJ Moore & Robby Anderson odds are against that. Cowboys might honestly take Pitts since Gallup will most likely hit FA next year. But it’d be a terrible use of resources IMO.

Its just one of those value things....like last year the Cowboys had Lamb staring at them and had Chaisson. Chaisson was nowhere near the draft pick worth taking there. They took Chaisson and waited until the 2nd round and got lucky Diggs was there who ended up being arguably the best corner in the draft last season. 

 

My point is, I think most teams take the talent and worry about the issues later. Because at the end of the day nobody these teams take will have a day one impact like a guy like Pitts could. Just something to think about. I know for me Fant is not stopping me from taking Pitts. And DJ Moore is not stopping me from taking Pitts or Smith. 

1 minute ago, Green Monster said:

So how does next years draft class look? 😑

Here's an option about the class:

"It should be stated up front: The 2022 class is far less settled at the top than the 2021 crop. The high end of the 2019 recruiting class – those would-be juniors – is not nearly as strong as the class that preceded or followed, which means we’re sure to see plenty of late risers. Throw in the impact of COVID-19 on the 2020 season both in terms of development and playing time for some top prospects, and there’s sure to be plenty of huge jumps that occur during the season."

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-mock-draft-sam-howell-goes-one-detroit-lions/

26 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Is this another Cardinals in 2019 situation? Cause I’m confused here. It’s from Schefter, he doesn’t get fed smoke like this nor would he tweet that. But you also don’t give up multiple first round picks in this trade up for a non QB, right? 
 

I’m very confused on this one

 

I think they are just selling it. You don't trade up like that for any other position other than QB IMO. I believe they may go with Jimmy this year though. They said Jimmy is their guy THIS year. Anything after that though lol......

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

They didn't draft Hurts to take over from Wentz, I agree. He was an insurance policy in case things go wrong. And boy did they go wrong! Wentz was so Fing bad I still can't believe it. Was that because of Hurts? Who cares, even if i want him out of here! 

But thank god we had this insurance policy. That sets us up so much better for the future. So it was smart to hedge your bets, because that Wentz bet stunk big time.

The problem is that they’re not even showing that they want to even give the "insurance policy” a chance. First off they’ve been rap less than committed in words and actions towards Hurts. Heck even Joe Flacco said he wasn’t here to be a mentor to Hurts. He’s almost implying they’ve told him he has a real chance to be the starter. Then they’re reports they actually tried to trade up and there have been reports they’re heavily in on Watson. Picking up 3 potential 1st round picks in 2022 sure is a lot of ammo to throw at a trade. So if they don’t really believe in Hurts why draft him at all?  

14 minutes ago, CHIP72 said:

If drafting Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round contributed to the breakdown of Carson Wentz during the 2020 season, then Wentz doesn't have the mental fortitude to be an NFL starting quarterback.  Seriously.

Has nothing to do with mental fortitude. If I need resources to help be produce on the field and you go out and draft a QB with my 2nd round pick then. yeah I'm going to have a issue. 

It's a good deal.  One could make the argument that for the 2021 draft, there are no clear cut elite players that will excel at the NFL level after the first few picks.  Smith, Waddle and Parsons will all probably be there at 12.  As long as Howie doesn't act like himself and make a bonehead pick on day one this year, hopefully we should get a solid player.