November 7, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, TEW said: WTF are you talking about? I’m in favor of adults getting the vaccine. I’m vaccinated myself. Stop projecting your own biases on me. I was taking COVID seriously when hardly anyone was talking about it and when most of the people who act like experts in this thread were mocking me for taking it seriously. The simple fact is we don’t know the long term effects of either the vaccine or COVID. We know COVID is highly contagious and that it can be deadly because of its novelty. For that reason the vaccine is important because it lowers symptoms and prevents hospitals from being overrun. So you vaccinate adults to prevent catastrophic failure of our healthcare system. But messing with child development is something I would not risk, even given a low likelihood of a bad outcome, because the benefits don’t justify the risk. We just don’t gain much from vaccinating children according to the FDA’s own data. There is a risk you are missing. Leaving kids unvaccinated leaves an ample number of hosts and carriers for the virus. This likely will lead to further mutations and variants. Those variants may defeat the current vaccines for adults, or perhaps make the disease more dangerous for kids.
November 7, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, lynched1 said: You're responses are childish. I will do this Thanksgiving as I've done every previous Thanksgiving. I literally dont give a F what you think about it. As an observation I've known and know quite a few rednecks or hillbillies or whatever term you prefer to make you believe in your own mental superiority. If the **** hits the fan they will out survive the likes of you based on what they know. Yes you do. You just wrote an essay.
November 7, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, DBW said: I guess you’re in charge of bringing the horse paste potatos? You're a caricature.
November 7, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, DBW said: It’s not incorrect in the sense we are talking about confirmed cases and thus the only official survival rate has to be based off the facts and the proven data which is what I showed you. I thought you were discussing the survival rate? I'd think you would want the very best estimate and not a known to be incorrect number. 10 hours ago, Ipiggles said: we can sit here for 1000 more pages and speculate all we want about how many unreported cases there are…that won’t change the facts that we know. All that does is serve the "it’s just the flu” narrative. Sure or we could try to come up with an estimate and not just use a number that we all know is incorrect. You mention the flu. The CDC has both the reported flu stats and the estimates which they say are "likely" numbers. If you want to conduct a discussion about just about anything you take the very best estimates every single time. Observed data is used as a base of course and is quite important but it doesn't tell the entire story. 10 hours ago, DBW said: to put it another way, and I’ve asked my own tin foil hat family members this very same question….if I put 100 of your family and friends in a room and flooded it with Covid you’d be almost guaranteed to lose at least one relative, if not two or three…..even if we only tested half of them, and didn’t bother to test the rest because they don’t believe in the science anyway. Are you ok with that? Or should we just say it’s no big deal because 99 of them survived? Which friend or relative are you OK with unnecessarily losing? ...and just like TEW, I need to ask what the hell your talking about. I got vaxxed the first day it was available to me and 100% pro vaccine. I'm also ok with crafting the public message to ensure the highest vaccination rate possible. Being intellectually honest with the numbers is important because it is so easy to poke holes in the narrative if the numbers are built on partials.
November 7, 20214 yr 19 hours ago, DrPhilly said: In the US politics is a factor You have your head firmly up your ass. The implication that the unanimous decisions from both the FDA and CDC advisory panels was politically motivated is laughable. These committees don't change based on whoever is in the White House or Congress. These are the same committee members that voted to restrict boosters to only 65+ or those at occupational risk, rather than open it up to all those 18+ like Israel did. The FDA lead on those discussions was Peter Marks, the guy credited with architecting OWS under Trump's FDA. Their panel even has some who are borderline cultists like Cody Meissner who wrote an op-ed in the NYT that covid isn't much of a risk to kids and they don't need masks in schools, and even he voted in favor of authorizing vaccines for them. There's a reason why those committees didn't have a single vote in opposition and it's because they are renown experts in their field and the data was abundantly clear on this, the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. Beyond the epidemiological benefits that vikas pointed out, the clinical benefits couldn't be clearer. Yes severe disease and long-term complications from covid are rare, but they still happen orders of magnitude more frequently than adverse events related to vaccines. It's not politics, it's data-based medicine. It's science. You can agree with TEW's science fiction hot takes all you want but here in reality, parents across this country should listen to their pediatricians, not what me, you, or anyone else on the internet says. And the consensus there is overwhelming. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccine-kids-paves-protection-long-haul-covid/story?id=80912690&cid=social_twitter_abcn
November 7, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: You have your head firmly up your ass. The implication that the unanimous decisions from both the FDA and CDC advisory panels was politically motivated is laughable. You're a walking joke with YOUR head stuck firmly up your ass - permanently!
November 7, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Procus said: You're a walking joke with YOUR head stuck firmly up your ass - permanently! Wicked comeback Slappy!
November 7, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, DrPhilly said: I thought you were discussing the survival rate? I'd think you would want the very best estimate and not a known to be incorrect number. Sure or we could try to come up with an estimate and not just use a number that we all know is incorrect. You mention the flu. The CDC has both the reported flu stats and the estimates which they say are "likely" numbers. If you want to conduct a discussion about just about anything you take the very best estimates every single time. Observed data is used as a base of course and is quite important but it doesn't tell the entire story. ...and just like TEW, I need to ask what the hell your talking about. I got vaxxed the first day it was available to me and 100% pro vaccine. I'm also ok with crafting the public message to ensure the highest vaccination rate possible. Being intellectually honest with the numbers is important because it is so easy to poke holes in the narrative if the numbers are built on partials. Ugh….nevermind. Taking me too literally to further the discussion.
November 7, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Procus said: You're a walking joke with YOUR head stuck firmly up your ass - permanently! I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them.
November 7, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them. You have someone on ignore, on this board? What a delicate little fella you must be lmao.
November 8, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Ipiggles said: I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them. I find the pomposity and self righteousness entertaining. You sometimes wonder if the guy is actually serious, or if it's just some kind of an act. I mean, normal people don't act like that.
November 8, 20214 yr 23 hours ago, vikas83 said: There is a risk you are missing. Leaving kids unvaccinated leaves an ample number of hosts and carriers for the virus. This likely will lead to further mutations and variants. Those variants may defeat the current vaccines for adults, or perhaps make the disease more dangerous for kids. The vaccine will accelerate mutations if anything. Anyway, this is the sort of thing that makes me say we should pump the breaks on introducing the vaccine to children. It’s rare, for now, but who knows how it develops in a few years.
November 8, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Ipiggles said: Hunt is the same. Hunt is joking 80% of the time and is able to poke fun at himself.
November 8, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, TEW said: The vaccine will accelerate mutations if anything. Anyway, this is the sort of thing that makes me say we should pump the breaks on introducing the vaccine to children. It’s rare, for now, but who knows how it develops in a few years. No, this is wrong. Mutation rates are a product of transmission rates. Guess which population promotes transmission more (Vaccinated vs unvaccinated)?
November 8, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, Procus said: I find the pomposity and self righteousness entertaining. You sometimes wonder if the guy is actually serious, or if it's just some kind of an act. I mean, normal people don't act like that. Right, normal people instead lie about ivermectin being approved in Japan. And then lie about how often polio resulted in paralysis. And then double down instead of admitting their fringe right-wing news sources might be a tad unreliable.
November 8, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, Ipiggles said: I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them.
November 8, 20214 yr TEW saying kids shouldn’t get vaccinated because it might mess up their development is silly. There’s a reason it took 12 extra months to approve it for kids under 12
November 8, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, TEW said: The vaccine will accelerate mutations if anything. that is simply false. the risk of mutations is higher if we DON'T vaccinate.
November 8, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, Ipiggles said: I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them. got eem!
November 8, 20214 yr On 11/7/2021 at 12:53 AM, vikas83 said: There is a risk you are missing. Leaving kids unvaccinated leaves an ample number of hosts and carriers for the virus. This likely will lead to further mutations and variants. Those variants may defeat the current vaccines for adults, or perhaps make the disease more dangerous for kids. But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission. In fact, there has been no measurable relationship to an area's vaccination rate and the number of new cases. I posted this several times a few pages ago, but no one wanted to discuss. 15 hours ago, Ipiggles said: I didn't read the exchange and what you are talking about, so I cant talk about what he stated here, but in general, I agree with this 100% about WGB. I have no time for the pompous arrogance he displays. He is a joke and I put him on ignore just after reading his posts when I joined. We didn't even have any exchanges. He isn't the only one. Hunt is the same. The only time I see their posts is when some of you respond to them. 11 hours ago, Procus said: I find the pomposity and self righteousness entertaining. You sometimes wonder if the guy is actually serious, or if it's just some kind of an act. I mean, normal people don't act like that. You're dealing with a guy who is literally 5'6 or shorter. He's the human embodiment of a Napoleon complex. This is literally the only place he can come to feel normal-sized.
November 8, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Kz! said: But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission. In fact, there has been no measurable relationship to an area's vaccination rate and the number of new cases. I posted this several times a few pages ago, but no one wanted to discuss. You're dealing with a guy who is literally 5'6 or shorter. He's the human embodiment of a Napoleon complex. This is literally the only place he can come to feel normal-sized. I'm usually not one to pick on a person for things they cannot change about themselves, Examples: height, looks, physical limitations, and or limited mental capacity. These things are beyond peoples control. Now, his pompous, holier than thou, hypocritical attitude, yeah he owns all of that! And you may be correct, it may be tied to an insecurity. One thing for sure, he got picked on in school.
November 8, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: I'm usually not one to pick on a person for things they cannot change about themselves, Examples: height, looks, physical limitations, and or limited mental capacity. These things are beyond peoples control. Now, his pompous, holy than thou, hypocritical attitude, yeah he owns all of that, and you may be correct, it may be tied to an insecurity. One thing for sure, he got picked on in school. Oh yeah, I don't care if he's short. Nothing wrong with that. It's when you decide to allow your entire personality revolve around that single trait that's a problem.
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