January 9, 20224 yr 13 hours ago, VanHammersly said: If he wants vitamins he should check out Chewy. They have great deals on feed that’s packed with vitamins and minerals. It’s good for a healthy mane too. I suggest you do nothing if you get sick. How's that? Treatment options are only for anti vaxxers, Republicans and non-whites.
January 9, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: I suggest you do nothing if you get sick. How's that? Treatment options are only for anti vaxxers, Republicans and non-whites. Seabiscuit is extra surly this morning.
January 9, 20224 yr 37 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Among those submitted to hospitals? No, I don't believe that's true, though my "evidence" would be conversations with nurses (primarily one of the other parents at my kids bus stop, along with occasional discussions I've had with nurse friends who I see less frequent) The implication Kz and others are eager to draw from this is that a huge number of Covid positives among patients in hospitals over the past year or two have been incidental positives from patients admitted and treated for something else but that also tested positive for "basically a mild cold" while there. This to support their narrative that COVID has been overblown by leftist politicians as some kind of power grab, and validates their decision not to vaccinate. It's motivated reasoning plain and simple, without any acknowledgement that the more likely reason lies elsewhere. From where I'm sitting, it's been a combination. No doubt there were a lot of people suffering with symptoms stemming from Covid infections that were hospitalized. But there were also padded numbers making the situation seem much worse and unnecessarily instilling panic and fear among many - especially among CNN and MSNBC viewers. I keep circling back to the lack of emphasis on treatment protocol if somebody is infected and sick. The default response among many progressives is to ridicule suggestion of options for treatment. In fact, it should be the opposite. Emphasizing ways to reduce adverse symptoms, reactions, and even death after infection should be a priority and go hand and hand with prevention options. It's becoming clear that the vaccines aren't as effective as they were touted to be and require multiple and frequent boosters. The side effects of all of this may take years to discover - we don't know yet. 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Seabiscuit is extra surly this morning.
January 9, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: From where I'm sitting, it's been a combination. No doubt there were a lot of people suffering with symptoms stemming from Covid infections that were hospitalized. But there were also padded numbers making the situation seem much worse and unnecessarily instilling panic and fear among many - especially among CNN and MSNBC viewers. Nothing was "padded." The value of the metric was that there is a consistent collection process that wasn't burdensome on the ground, from which a reliable number could be produced over time to identify where more severe outbreaks were occuring. The number was very explicitly "those hospitalized that tested positive for Covid," it was never presented as "those admitted for Covid symptoms". There have been multiple analyses done over the last year that attempt to separate out more severe cases from incidental cases. But because hospitals didn't really standardize on that data collection (because they were busy, you know, fighting a pandemic) those are more isolated. Not to mention how they changed with each variant. These are all valid questions to ask to be sure. The better data we can collect the better we can make policy decisions around it. I just am not going to get into it with someone who has an agenda about it. An agenda that seeks to reframe a virus that has killed 800k+ Americans as "a mild cold," or to discredit vaccinations that correlate with far lower risk of hospitalization and death.
January 9, 20224 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: The number was very explicitly "those hospitalized that tested positive for Covid," it was never presented as "those admitted for Covid symptoms". It may not have been specifically stated "not necessarily due to COVID" but the general implication/perception was that the huge load of admitted patients during the COVID waves were in the hospital "due to COVID".
January 9, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: It may not have been specifically stated "not necessarily due to COVID" but the general implication/perception was that the huge load of admitted patients during the COVID waves were in the hospital "due to COVID". Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. I'm over that.
January 9, 20224 yr Thought it was a week away, but it's already happened. Omicron is arriving faster than procus racing to a buffet of apples, hay, and carrots.
January 9, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. Don't think so, no. So no reason there not to be 100% transparent. 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Yep 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Never said otherwise, agreed. 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. Agreed. You've still not come up with one reason as to why it shouldn't have been transparent and clearly communicated all along. Had that happened we would be in a better position to move forward and yes the "them" numbers would be lower.
January 9, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: I suggest you do nothing if you get sick. How's that? Treatment options are only for anti vaxxers, Republicans and non-whites. Every time you try and make a joke I feel embarrassed for you. Are you over 60?
January 9, 20224 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. I'm over that. Yep. Anyone who thinks the hospitalizations numbers are/were being "padded" intentionally are stupid. They deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, rather than taken seriously.
January 9, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Agreed. You've still not come up with one reason as to why it shouldn't have been transparent and clearly communicated all along. Had that happened we would be in a better position to move forward and yes the "them" numbers would be lower. My explanation was above. Separating them out presented a burden to an already strained system at the time. It would be good to step back and try to improve data collection around this, but the CDC pushing additional data collection processes on these hospitals at the time they're battling Covid seems like it was also not a good approach.
January 9, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: My explanation was above. Separating them out presented a burden to an already strained system at the time. It would be good to step back and try to improve data collection around this, but the CDC pushing additional data collection processes on these hospitals at the time they're battling Covid seems like it was also not a good approach. I never suggested the hospitals should separate them and take on that data collection burden. I suggested that the public explanations from media/authorities should have been very clear and it was not. Anyway, let's move on. This isn't the hill to die on and it doesn't lend any credibility to anti vaxxing in any case.
January 9, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Anyway, let's move on. This isn't the hill to die on and it doesn't lend any credibility to anti vaxxing in any case. Resident anti-vaxxers would disagree. Of course when you're intellectually dishonest it doesn't really matter. You're free to discard anything that contradicts your view and inflate or willfully misinterpret any data that to can spin to support it. (I'm talking of anti-vaxxers not you, to be sure)
January 9, 20224 yr So, to recap, they recently admitted that hospitalization data was a lie, now they’re admitting the rolling death count is a lie. Unreal. The people called "conspiracy theorists” for saying this were 100% correct. Again.
January 9, 20224 yr 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Oh great... Just another variant to watch closely. No it isn't
January 9, 20224 yr https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-07/hospitals-struggle-to-match-walmart-pay-as-staff-flees-omicron
January 9, 20224 yr 57 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: One of the great mysteries of our time Lots of "incidental" death from mild colds. I fear we'll never get to the bottom of it.
January 9, 20224 yr Up 40% from when? Not this time last year. You keyboard warriors fighting ‘’misinformation’’ on a message board need to head to the Supreme Court. A justice spouting, and basing rulings on, demonstrably false information is for more concerning.
January 9, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Up 40% from when? Not this time last year. You keyboard warriors fighting ‘’misinformation’’ on a message board need to head to the Supreme Court. A justice spouting, and basing rulings on, demonstrably false information is for more concerning. From before the pandemic.
January 9, 20224 yr *We're still looking into ways to explain the discrepancies once we release figures.....
January 10, 20224 yr Regardless, we're living in f**'d up times right now. This fear campaign and restructuring of our lives for the worst are the biggest casualties on a grand scale.
January 10, 20224 yr 21 minutes ago, Procus said: Regardless, we're living in f**'d up times right now. This fear campaign and restructuring of our lives for the worst are the biggest casualties on a grand scale. The term grave danger has been a lot in the OSHA Supreme Court proceedings the past couple days. What’s undeniably true is that for a big chunk of America, their freedoms are much more in grave danger than their health.
January 10, 20224 yr Some sexually repressed, Covid positive Republican licked her doorknob, no doubt. AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless
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