January 9, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: It may not have been specifically stated "not necessarily due to COVID" but the general implication/perception was that the huge load of admitted patients during the COVID waves were in the hospital "due to COVID". Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. I'm over that.
January 9, 20224 yr Thought it was a week away, but it's already happened. Omicron is arriving faster than procus racing to a buffet of apples, hay, and carrots.
January 9, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. Don't think so, no. So no reason there not to be 100% transparent. 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Yep 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Never said otherwise, agreed. 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. Agreed. You've still not come up with one reason as to why it shouldn't have been transparent and clearly communicated all along. Had that happened we would be in a better position to move forward and yes the "them" numbers would be lower.
January 9, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: I suggest you do nothing if you get sick. How's that? Treatment options are only for anti vaxxers, Republicans and non-whites. Every time you try and make a joke I feel embarrassed for you. Are you over 60?
January 9, 20224 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Is there some other explanation for why hospitalizations during waves would be happening? Compare pre-pandemic seasonal hospitalizations rates to rates at those same hospitals the last two years. The waves of hospitalizations were 100% real and due to Covid. Especially considering how many procedures were deemed non-essential during these waves and cancelled, thus reducing the number of potential incidental cases as those waves of Covid patients were straining the system. Capturing incidental cases when patients are admitted for other ailments, even if those cases remain asymptomatic or mild, doesn't change anything hospitals operating at or over capacity (with the vast majority of cases being unvaccinated) during those Delta waves last year. Intellectually honest people can debate the nuances if these numbers, understanding that it doesn't change the overall picture that COVID was the #1 reason for the healthcare system being strained to its limits over the last two years. But for those with an agenda, all they need is some kernel of truth to extrapolate all kinds of self-serving nonsense to claim it supports their view all along. I'm over that. Yep. Anyone who thinks the hospitalizations numbers are/were being "padded" intentionally are stupid. They deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, rather than taken seriously.
January 9, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Agreed. You've still not come up with one reason as to why it shouldn't have been transparent and clearly communicated all along. Had that happened we would be in a better position to move forward and yes the "them" numbers would be lower. My explanation was above. Separating them out presented a burden to an already strained system at the time. It would be good to step back and try to improve data collection around this, but the CDC pushing additional data collection processes on these hospitals at the time they're battling Covid seems like it was also not a good approach.
January 9, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: My explanation was above. Separating them out presented a burden to an already strained system at the time. It would be good to step back and try to improve data collection around this, but the CDC pushing additional data collection processes on these hospitals at the time they're battling Covid seems like it was also not a good approach. I never suggested the hospitals should separate them and take on that data collection burden. I suggested that the public explanations from media/authorities should have been very clear and it was not. Anyway, let's move on. This isn't the hill to die on and it doesn't lend any credibility to anti vaxxing in any case.
January 9, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Anyway, let's move on. This isn't the hill to die on and it doesn't lend any credibility to anti vaxxing in any case. Resident anti-vaxxers would disagree. Of course when you're intellectually dishonest it doesn't really matter. You're free to discard anything that contradicts your view and inflate or willfully misinterpret any data that to can spin to support it. (I'm talking of anti-vaxxers not you, to be sure)
January 9, 20224 yr So, to recap, they recently admitted that hospitalization data was a lie, now they’re admitting the rolling death count is a lie. Unreal. The people called "conspiracy theorists” for saying this were 100% correct. Again.
January 9, 20224 yr 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Oh great... Just another variant to watch closely. No it isn't
January 9, 20224 yr https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-07/hospitals-struggle-to-match-walmart-pay-as-staff-flees-omicron
January 9, 20224 yr 57 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: One of the great mysteries of our time Lots of "incidental" death from mild colds. I fear we'll never get to the bottom of it.
January 9, 20224 yr Up 40% from when? Not this time last year. You keyboard warriors fighting ‘’misinformation’’ on a message board need to head to the Supreme Court. A justice spouting, and basing rulings on, demonstrably false information is for more concerning.
January 9, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Up 40% from when? Not this time last year. You keyboard warriors fighting ‘’misinformation’’ on a message board need to head to the Supreme Court. A justice spouting, and basing rulings on, demonstrably false information is for more concerning. From before the pandemic.
January 9, 20224 yr *We're still looking into ways to explain the discrepancies once we release figures.....
January 10, 20224 yr Regardless, we're living in f**'d up times right now. This fear campaign and restructuring of our lives for the worst are the biggest casualties on a grand scale.
January 10, 20224 yr 21 minutes ago, Procus said: Regardless, we're living in f**'d up times right now. This fear campaign and restructuring of our lives for the worst are the biggest casualties on a grand scale. The term grave danger has been a lot in the OSHA Supreme Court proceedings the past couple days. What’s undeniably true is that for a big chunk of America, their freedoms are much more in grave danger than their health.
January 10, 20224 yr Some sexually repressed, Covid positive Republican licked her doorknob, no doubt. AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless
January 10, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Regardless, we're living in f**'d up times right now. This fear campaign and restructuring of our lives for the worst are the biggest casualties on a grand scale. yeah, but not the attempt to overturn the results of an election by force. got it.
January 10, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah, but not the attempt to overturn the results of an election by force. got it. What's had a bigger impact on more lives? (Hint: it's not even close)
January 10, 20224 yr 15 minutes ago, Procus said: What's had a bigger impact on more lives? (Hint: it's not even close) Only because the good guys won - this time. 5 out of 6 Russian roulette players agree: playing the game had no impact on my life.
January 10, 20224 yr 7 hours ago, The_Omega said: Up 40% from when? Not this time last year. You keyboard warriors fighting ‘’misinformation’’ on a message board need to head to the Supreme Court. A justice spouting, and basing rulings on, demonstrably false information is for more concerning. Considering that Indiana's death rate from 2014-2018 was about 15% higher than the national average, and considering that the excess mortality in the nation during the pandemic has been about 23%, it would seem pretty plausible that OneAmerica's life insurance claims have gone up 40% during the pandemic.
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