6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/breaking-eu-will-indeed-ban-americans-when-borders-reopen/ar-BB15Tcd9?ocid=sf2
 

 

Makes sense to me.  That's what we should have done with travel from Europe back in the winter. 

3 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said:

My slowpitch softball league is slated to start up next week. Parks a rec dept are requiring all players wear masks. Of course one team is saying they will pull out of the league if they have to wear them. I just dont get the animosity towards masks I get that they are somewhat inconvenient but the anger seems like such an overreaction. 

Wait, weren't you calling everyone who wanted to reopen a month back stupid and selfish constantly? Now you're participating in slowpitch softball? Monster!

 

Wait, I was told BLM riots actually cured the virus. What gives?

7 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Wait, weren't you calling everyone who wanted to reopen a month back stupid and selfish constantly? Now you're participating in slowpitch softball? Monster!

 

Who said I was participating?

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Wait, I was told BLM riots actually cured the virus. What gives?

I thought the narrative of the past week was how cases are spiking everywhere in the 20-30 year old demographic.

So...I'm guessing to prove your point, you'd have to say that Minnesota has more protests (or "riots" as you call them) than other cities...which maybe could be done. And then you'd have to show that the Minn spikes in this age group are higher than those in other cities.  And then we could say "Minn has a lot of protests" + "Minn has a sharper spike than other spikes" = Minn protests are causing the spike. And that's under the assumption that 20-29 year olds are the bulk of the protests, which might be fair. 

20-somethings are also the ones going out to bars/clubs/beaches/parties/etc. at a higher rate then the older, married farts...eg. most of us. 

28 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Makes sense to me.  That's what we should have done with travel from Europe back in the winter. 

We should have but there would have been so much backlash if Trump did that

Just now, mr_hunt said:

20-somethings are also the ones going out to bars/clubs/parties/etc. at a higher rate then the older, married farts...eg. most of us. 

They're also the demographic most impacted by increased testing.  Healthy young mildly symptomatic people largely weren't getting tested until relatively recently.  It's the same reason why mortality rate is "decreasing" in most places.  

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

We should have but there would have been so much backlash if Trump did that

That’s fine.  History would have proven them wrong.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

That’s fine.  History would have proven them wrong.

I’m saying I think certain people would try to stop it. I don’t think it would have worked. He’d at least be able to try but early on it would have been fought like crazy

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I’m saying I think certain people would try to stop it. I don’t think it would have worked. He’d at least be able to try but early on it would have been fought like crazy

I suppose I'm one of the "certain people" who would have been suspicious of Trump expanding the list of places he's allowed to ban people from. But with that said...these "certain people" are way way way off the list of those he gives a damn about when it comes to implementing policy.  He is trying to take another swing at Obamacare during a pandemic after all. Guy kinda just does what he wants and lets the chips fall where they may. 

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I’m saying I think certain people would try to stop it. I don’t think it would have worked. He’d at least be able to try but early on it would have been fought like crazy

Fought how?  In court?  It would take a long time to make it's way through the courts, at which point we'd have been deep into the pandemic.  And I would imagine the courts would give the executive a lot of leeway when banning travel right now anyway.

Not to mention, he did some European travel restrictions after that abomination of a speech addressing the country sometime in March.  He just also left off some Covid hotspots for some reason.

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

20-somethings are also the ones going out to bars/clubs/beaches/parties/etc. at a higher rate then the older, married farts...eg. most of us. 

probably a little of column A and little of column B. not every 20-29 year old was protesting, I don't even know if you could say most. but a lot were. a lot were also NOT protesting but WERE going to bars.

if I was asked which contributed more, I'd say probably the latter, but there's a lot of other details that you need to sort out there. I know the median age for positive cases in Florida dropped to the mid 30s, which means a WHOLE LOTTA cases came in for the 20-29 age group - how big were the protests in Florida?

7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

probably a little of column A and little of column B. not every 20-29 year old was protesting, I don't even know if you could say most. but a lot were. a lot were also NOT protesting but WERE going to bars.

if I was asked which contributed more, I'd say probably the latter, but there's a lot of other details that you need to sort out there. I know the median age for positive cases in Florida dropped to the mid 30s, which means a WHOLE LOTTA cases came in for the 20-29 age group - how big were the protests in Florida?

Big. Not NYC big, but Miami and Tampa had good size ones. Heck, my small city of Naples had some that were over 1,000. There also was an "All Lives Matter" rally of about the same size. No masks in that one.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-85-people-connected-visit-michigan-bar-test-positive-coronavirus-n1232382

NC is up to 63k 

I swear it’s like some states are using this as some sort of twisted race

Granted I’m sure Florida is in 1st place but I rather my state not be in it lol

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fort-lauderdale-shuts-down-4-restaurants-for-violating-covid-19-re-opening-regulations/ar-BB164LVC?ocid=spartanntp

 

This whole thing is stunning to me.  The virus, protests, I voted for a president who I am certain will go down as one of the worst. Ever.  Study our history. We are human. All we know, or should I say want is to survive.  It’s an instinct that has gotten so misconstrued by entitlement, judgement and way too much legislation.  Our ancestors whether they came here of their own free will or not (ANY RACE) did what they had to to survive.   Yes we had a revolutionary and a civil war.  Get over yourselves. Live your damn life everyday. We are all going to die.  Personally, I can’t wait.  I don’t want to leave my kids just yet.  I may very well leave this world with them not re producing and being the end of a bloodline.  If so, I did the best I could.  I wore a f’ng mask!!!   

13 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said:

My slowpitch softball league is slated to start up next week. Parks a rec dept are requiring all players wear masks. Of course one team is saying they will pull out of the league if they have to wear them. I just dont get the animosity towards masks I get that they are somewhat inconvenient but the anger seems like such an overreaction. 

Our league is still in "wait and see" mode which seems rather pointless considering a) Only gatherings of 10 people or fewer are permitted right now in Ontario and I don't see that changing for at least another 2-4 weeks, and b) the league typically wraps up by the last or second-last weekend in August anyways. Seems like the best case scenario is that we play for a month and likely with masks on (which half the teams will likely beyotch about anyways). Just shut it down and be done with it.

 

19 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Our league is still in "wait and see" mode which seems rather pointless considering a) Only gatherings of 10 people or fewer are permitted right now in Ontario and I don't see that changing for at least another 2-4 weeks, and b) the league typically wraps up by the last or second-last weekend in August anyways. Seems like the best case scenario is that we play for a month and likely with masks on (which half the teams will likely beyotch about anyways). Just shut it down and be done with it.

 

What are your thoughts and predictions on what Ontario will do before Labor Day?  My family has a cottage on Lake Erie in Port Colborne, and I would like to get at least a couple weekends in up there, like I have for pretty much every summer of my life.  I also have friends that run bars in Crystal Beach and Port Dalhousie, and I would like to visit them.

1 minute ago, xzmattzx said:

What are your thoughts and predictions on what Ontario will do before Labor Day?  My family has a cottage on Lake Erie in Port Colborne, and I would like to get at least a couple weekends in up there, like I have for pretty much every summer of my life.  I also have friends that run bars in Crystal Beach and Port Dalhousie, and I would like to visit them.

Port Dalhousie is a nice little spot. I haven't been to Port Colborne in years. 

Honestly, I'm not sure what's going to happen. Outside of a couple hot spots (mainly Brampton and an area down by Windsor), the number of new daily cases has plummeted. The problem I see for you is if they open up the border to non-essential travelers or not. Considering the recent explosion of cases throughout the US, I have my doubts that they'll open it up any time soon. The Ontario government has taken a fairly slow and calculated approach to re-opening and I don't think they'll want to jeopardize the progress that's been made. 

3 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Port Dalhousie is a nice little spot. I haven't been to Port Colborne in years. 

Honestly, I'm not sure what's going to happen. Outside of a couple hot spots (mainly Brampton and an area down by Windsor), the number of new daily cases has plummeted. The problem I see for you is if they open up the border to non-essential travelers or not. Considering the recent explosion of cases throughout the US, I have my doubts that they'll open it up any time soon. The Ontario government has taken a fairly slow and calculated approach to re-opening and I don't think they'll want to jeopardize the progress that's been made. 

Even if restrictions were loosened to allow Americans with property in Canada to go over, that may be enough for me to get across.  I can get some time on the lake in, and legitimately check in on and take care of our family property.

1 minute ago, xzmattzx said:

Even if restrictions were loosened to allow Americans with property in Canada to go over, that may be enough for me to get across.  I can get some time on the lake in, and legitimately check in on and take care of our family property.

It's definitely possible. I think you'll have a good idea of what to expect before the end of July. Ontario has been rolling out its re-opening plans in 4-6 week phases. Phase 2 was introduced about two weeks ago, so if cases remain low for the next 2-4 weeks, we should end up entering Phase 3 by the middle/end of July. It's impossible to know right now what Phase 3 will include, but looking back at Phase 2 it loosened restrictions on the size of gatherings (from 5 people to 10), and allowed more businesses to open (hair salons, sit-down restaurants on patios only, etc).