Just now, Eaglesfandan said:

I've never understood the mask debate.  Let me stand two feet from your face and sneeze.  Then let me do it again with a mask on and tell me which one you liked better.  I thought it was a common sense thing, but I guess not.

I've to see someone not remove their mask and sneeze.

Must be an interesting sensation wearing a mask you sneezed in.

Pass.

1 minute ago, Eaglesfandan said:

I've never understood the mask debate.  Let me stand two feet from your face and sneeze.  Then let me do it again with a mask on and tell me which one you liked better.  I thought it was a general common sense thing, but I guess not.

Ok so you know that picture floating around of a guy who supposedly sneezed, coughed, sang, etc over a Petri dish and grew a bunch of BACTERIA?  Well for starters that makes the point that virus Particles are smaller Than the virus particles - that’s scientifically proven - so if bacterial particles get through so easily then imagine smaller viral particles.  Secondly it does not prove anything in regards to virus growing on things as the virus needs a host.  Bacteria will grow on anything, including the mask.  So it doesn’t show or prove anything in terms of mask stopping the virus but it does prove it won’t stop bacteria.  The same bacteria that grows in your toothbrush if you don’t rinse it by the way.  So I simply post the rebuttal to that "study” that some cardiologist (not virologist) did in his home and it’s like I’m the scum of the earth.

i wear my mask when in public even at the gym while I’m sweating it out so I’m not against them.  I’m against spreading of false information and invalid uncontrolled studies that unqualified people do in their spare time.

5 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I've to see someone not remove their mask and sneeze.

Must be an interesting sensation wearing a mask you sneezed in.

Pass.

😛 

Just now, Eaglesfandan said:

😛 

No. I took your response literally.

This is copied and pasted from FB: 

Now I see this image making the rounds to support the idea of everyone wearing face masks to prevent COVID-19. So let me point out some very obvious facts that people seem to be missing.

1. You can't grow a virus in a petri dish. Viruses require a live host. So absolutely nothing you see in these petri dishes is a virus. This is bacteria.

2. All of that bacteria soup you see on the left petri dishes is what humans have been breathing into the air since the dawn of time. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IMMUNE SYSTEMS. It's also why we cover our mouths when we sneeze or cough. 

3. Bacteria are ginormous compared to viruses. If the average human body represents the size of an average human cell, then a football would represent the size of an average bacterium, but AN ASPIRIN would represent the size of an average virus.  Source: https://www.biointeractive.org/classroom-resources/relative-sizes-bacteria-and-viruses

And the most important point:

4. All of that stuff you see in those petri dishes on the left is what's now IN YOUR MASK. Your mask IS the petri dish, and all of that stuff is getting caught in, and is now growing in, the mask that you wear right up against your nose and mouth, and you're breathing that in. If it looks disgusting in a petri dish, why would you put it up against your mouth and nose?

So basically if you believe this guys "study” then the smaller more dangerous virus flows right through the mask anyway so it’s not doing a damn thing other than trapping your own bacteria for you to breath back in.

1 minute ago, DBW said:

Ok so you know that picture floating around of a guy who supposedly sneezed, coughed, sang, etc over a Petri dish and grew a bunch of BACTERIA?  Well for starters that makes the point that virus Particles are smaller Than the virus particles - that’s scientifically proven - so if bacterial particles get through so easily then imagine smaller viral particles.  Secondly it does not prove anything in regards to virus growing on things as the virus needs a host.  Bacteria will grow on anything, including the mask.  So it doesn’t show or prove anything in terms of mask stopping the virus but it does prove it won’t stop bacteria.  The same bacteria that grows in your toothbrush if you don’t rinse it by the way.  So I simply post the rebuttal to that "study” that some cardiologist (not virologist) did in his home and it’s like I’m the scum of the earth.

i wear my mask when in public even at the gym while I’m sweating it out so I’m not against them.  I’m against spreading of false information and invalid uncontrolled studies that unqualified people do in their spare time.

Nope, but I do see a lot of stoopid sheet on FB though.

1 minute ago, DBW said:

 

Now I see this image making the rounds to support the idea of everyone wearing face masks to prevent COVID-19. So let me point out some very obvious facts that people seem to be missing.

1. You can't grow a virus in a petri dish. Viruses require a live host. So absolutely nothing you see in these petri dishes is a virus. This is bacteria.

2. All of that bacteria soup you see on the left petri dishes is what humans have been breathing into the air since the dawn of time. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IMMUNE SYSTEMS. It's also why we cover our mouths when we sneeze or cough. 

3. Bacteria are ginormous compared to viruses. If the average human body represents the size of an average human cell, then a football would represent the size of an average bacterium, but AN ASPIRIN would represent the size of an average virus.  Source: https://www.biointeractive.org/classroom-resources/relative-sizes-bacteria-and-viruses

And the most important point:

4. All of that stuff you see in those petri dishes on the left is what's now IN YOUR MASK. Your mask IS the petri dish, and all of that stuff is getting caught in, and is now growing in, the mask that you wear right up against your nose and mouth, and you're breathing that in. If it looks disgusting in a petri dish, why would you put it up against your mouth and nose?

I rotate mine and toss them in the wash.  How long did it take that sheet to grow?  Nastay lol.

Just now, Eaglesfandan said:

I rotate mine and toss them in the wash.  How long did it take that sheet to grow?  Nastay lol.

That stuff can grow In a matter of minutes.  Hours.  Ever look in the bottom of your toothbrush holder (if it doesn’t have an open bottom)?   You would be shocked.  

1 minute ago, DBW said:

That stuff can grow In a matter of minutes.  Hours.  Ever look in the bottom of your toothbrush holder (if it doesn’t have an open bottom)?   You would be shocked.  

You better tell doctors and nurses to stop wearing them then.  That bacteria is dangerous stuff.  Minutes.

130,000 dead in just over 4 months.  New outbreaks every week caused by an administration that never even had a plan for containment and a president who's telling you not to follow CDC guidelines...  and we're worried about friends and Facebook.

smh....

1 hour ago, Green Dog said:

130,000 dead in just over 4 months.  New outbreaks every week caused by an administration that never even had a plan for containment and a president who's telling you not to follow CDC guidelines...  and we're worried about friends and Facebook.

smh....

Just making conversation man. Well more venting than anything.  Surely you have friends that don’t agree with you and can relate.   

5 hours ago, DBW said:

Anybody else ready To lose a whole bunch of "friends” over all this crap?  I feel like most of my friends are so afraid and a bunch of Fing sheep.  Anything said that disproves a false Facebook post About mask effectiveness, or anything that isn’t buying into the fear mongering and they react like im the worst person in earth.  I need to stay off FB I guess. 😆 

 

Ha.  I've been stunned by how many people I know have turned into conspiracy theory wackos.  Never knew until this. 

7 hours ago, lynched1 said:

I've to see someone not remove their mask and sneeze.

Must be an interesting sensation wearing a mask you sneezed in.

Pass.

It's a real.time saver

7 hours ago, Green Dog said:

130,000 dead in just over 4 months.  New outbreaks every week caused by an administration that never even had a plan for containment and a president who's telling you not to follow CDC guidelines...  and we're worried about friends and Facebook.

smh....

But my friends list!

link

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Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale

Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage — a red flag as the United States and Britain move to lift lockdowns.

LONDON — Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

"They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. "It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

The results of Sweden’s experience are relevant well beyond Scandinavian shores. In the United States, where the virus is spreading with alarming speed, many states have — at President Trump’s urging — avoided lockdowns or lifted them prematurely on the assumption that this would foster economic revival, allowing people to return to workplaces, shops and restaurants.

n Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson — previously hospitalized with Covid-19 — reopened pubs and restaurants last weekend in a bid to restore normal economic life.

Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden’s grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time.

Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.

More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. "The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.

The coronavirus does not stop at national borders. Despite the government’s decision to allow the domestic economy to roll on, Swedish businesses are stuck with the same conditions that produced recession everywhere else. And Swedish people responded to the fear of the virus by limiting their shopping — not enough to prevent elevated deaths, but enough to produce a decline in business activity.

Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself. From Asia to Europe to the Americas, the risks of the pandemic have disrupted businesses while prompting people to avoid shopping malls and restaurants, regardless of official policy.

Sweden is exposed to the vagaries of global trade. Once the pandemic was unleashed, it was certain to suffer the economic consequences, said Mr. Kirkegaard, the economist.

 

"The Swedish manufacturing sector shut down when everyone else shut down because of the supply chain situation,” he said. "This was entirely predictable.”

What remained in the government’s sphere of influence was how many people would die.

"There is just no questioning and no willingness from the Swedish government to really change tack, until it’s too late,” Mr. Kirkegaard said. "Which is astonishing, given that it’s been clear for quite some time that the economic gains that they claim to have gotten from this are just nonexistent.”

Norway, on the other hand, was not only quick to impose an aggressive lockdown, but early to relax it as the virus slowed, and as the government ramped up testing. It is now expected to see a more rapid economic turnaround. Norway’s central bank predicts that its mainland economy — excluding the turbulent oil and gas sector — will contract by 3.9 percent this year. That amounts to a marked improvement over the 5.5 percent decline expected in the midst of the lockdown.

Sweden’s laissez faire approach does appear to have minimized the economic damage compared with its neighbors in the first three months of the year, according to an assessment by the International Monetary Fund. But that effect has worn off as the force of the pandemic has swept through the global economy, and as Swedish consumers have voluntarily curbed their shopping anyway.

Researchers at the University of Copenhagen gained access to credit data from Danske Bank, one of the largest in Scandinavia. They studied spending patterns from mid-March, when Denmark put the clamps on the economy, to early April. The pandemic prompted Danes to reduce their spending 29 percent in that period, the study concluded. During the same weeks, consumers in Sweden — where freedom reigned — reduced their spending 25 percent.

Strikingly, older people — those over 70 — reduced their spending more in Sweden than in Denmark, perhaps concerned that the business-as-usual circumstances made going out especially risky.

Collectively, Scandinavian consumers are expected to continue spending far more robustly than in the United States, said Thomas Harr, global head of research at Danske Bank, emphasizing those nations’ generous social safety nets, including national health care systems. Americans, by contrast, tend to rely on their jobs for health care, making them more cautious about their health and their spending during the pandemic, knowing that hospitalization can be a gateway to financial calamity.

"It’s very much about the welfare state,” Mr. Harr said of Scandinavian countries. "You’re not as concerned about catching the virus, because you know that, if you do, the state is paying for health care.”

 

Football definitely seeming unlikely. Hopefully well at least get a few weeks or months of these other sports until it all gets shut down again. 😥

3 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Ha.  I've been stunned by how many people I know have turned into conspiracy theory wackos.  Never knew until this. 

My FB timeline is similar. Random seemingly normal people coming out of the woodwork with long-winded, illogical rants tying COVID to Bill Gates, the lizard people, George Soros, microchips, and any other whacky thing they can incorporate into it.

27 minutes ago, paco said:

link

 

Yeah I saw that and have been discussing with others. The perspective is useful but the article is completely without nuance. It would be so refreshing to see real journalism without the political slant. "But Trump” so I’m ok with the result of this article in the US. 

3 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Ha.  I've been stunned by how many people I know have turned into conspiracy theory wackos.  Never knew until this. 

The major issue is that it’s become politicized now, which is tragic.  Times like this is when a nation’s leaders need to put politics to the side and focus on the humanitarian aspect.  The opposite is happening.  Sad state of affairs.

 

The good news is that other than maybe the more extreme left and far right, most people  seem to be waking up and doing the best they can regardless of politics. 

48 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The major issue is that it’s become politicized now, which is tragic.  Times like this is when a nation’s leaders need to put politics to the side and focus on the humanitarian aspect.  The opposite is happening.  Sad state of affairs.

 

The good news is that other than maybe the more extreme left and far right, most people  seem to be waking up and doing the best they can regardless of politics. 

all trump had to do was wear a f'n mask & encourage mask wearing when his experts started recommending them. that's all he had to do. 

10 hours ago, DBW said:

Anybody else ready To lose a whole bunch of "friends” over all this crap?  I feel like most of my friends are so afraid and a bunch of Fing sheep.  Anything said that disproves a false Facebook post About mask effectiveness, or anything that isn’t buying into the fear mongering and they react like im the worst person in earth.  I need to stay off FB I guess. 😆 

 

I've quit facebook. It helps

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Football definitely seeming unlikely. Hopefully well at least get a few weeks or months of these other sports until it all gets shut down again. 😥

English soccer has figured it out 

27 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I've quit facebook. It helps

i keep "snoozing" people for 30 days...hoping that they'll eventually stop posting crazy political stuff.

but i know they won't. 

42 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

all trump had to do was wear a f'n mask & encourage mask wearing when his experts started recommending them. that's all he had to do. 

Yeah. We're talking about bare minimum things. Trump chose not to wear a mask. Democrats said, "Uh okay. We'll wear masks and speak your failures on this issue."  And what, now we're calling that politicization? If a mayor decides he doesn't want firemen pouring water on a burning house, I'd expect there to be some criticism there. 

3 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Yeah. We're talking about bare minimum things. Trump chose not to wear a mask. Democrats said, "Uh okay. We'll wear masks and speak your failures on this issue."  And what, now we're calling that politicization? If a mayor decides he doesn't want firemen pouring water on a burning house, I'd expect there to be some criticism there. 

You can scarcely find a nuanced article anywhere these days on this or any other subject (especially this one)  that isn't slanted.  That's just a fact.  Not all bad but it is what it is.  No reason to sugarcoat it.