July 20, 20205 yr Honestly I've been worried that at some point some people might start talking sense into Trump and he'd just disappear until November. The more he's out there the more people can hear him speak.
July 20, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Return of the #1 rated comedy show on TV!! Finally. It's about time these briefings got back to science and real facts.
July 20, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Honestly I've been worried that at some point some people might start talking sense into Trump and he'd just disappear until November. The more he's out there the more people can hear him speak. Conway has been pushing this idea for him to do the briefings again, because his numbers were better when he did. Yeah, let's just ignore the whole virus re-emergence issue...it's all about him being on TV more. To be fair, if you watch Trump with Chris Wallace yesterday, I think Trump is also supportive of this. His last argument will be Biden is hiding, and Trump is out there 24/7 because he has the energy and Biden doesn't. It's not a smart strategy, but that's why it's Donald Trump's strategy.
July 20, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Conway has been pushing this idea for him to do the briefings again, because his numbers were better when he did. Yeah, let's just ignore the whole virus re-emergence issue...it's all about him being on TV more. To be fair, if you watch Trump with Chris Wallace yesterday, I think Trump is also supportive of this. His last argument will be Biden is hiding, and Trump is out there 24/7 because he has the energy and Biden doesn't. It's not a smart strategy, but that's why it's Donald Trump's strategy. Also, he's not doing MAGA rallies anymore, is he? I saw where he did a virtual rally, which is kind of like a virtual BJ. It's just meaningless and sad. So, he probably thinks he needs to get out there and "own the media" to keep his people happy.
July 20, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Return of the #1 rated comedy show on TV!! I'm glad you're starting to see the humor in it. It's much better than living bitter with TDS
July 20, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Return of the #1 rated comedy show on TV!! God help us
July 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said: There was a moment earlier this year when the country was very grateful of nurses and first responders
July 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: There was a moment earlier this year when the country was very grateful of nurses and first responders On the topic of people we briefly respected, I was thinking about the overlap of people who demanded to "re-open our economy" and the people who refuse to wear masks while patronizing businesses where our low-paid essential workers earn a living. Reopen the economy, and also screw these minimum wage losers working to keep the economy open.
July 20, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, mr_hunt said: cheeto was trying to ignore or downplay the virus from day 1...and he still is. thank god the states had the power to shut things down. cheeto was only concerned about covid's impact on the economy/his re-election chances & would've kept everything open...just like he's trying to do with the schools. science be damned...the schools must open! he's a g-damn lunatic. The interesting thing about the bolded part is that it would've helped his re-election chances 1000% if he took the virus seriously, listened to the experts, and acted Presidential no matter what the economy looked like come election time. I'll give you an example from north of the border. The Premier (Governor) of Ontario is Doug Ford... brother of the former crack-smoking mayor of Toronto Rob Ford. When he was elected in mid-2019, he immediately picked a fight with teachers and started F'ing with class sizes, funding, etc. He made it a priority to lower the taxes on beer (I mean awesome! But not really a priority), and other useless crap like that. He seemed utterly clueless and in way over his head. People were actually calling him Trump North. All of a sudden the pandemic hits and he grew up on the spot. He deferred to the experts, opened things back up slowly, and was a calming voice of reason in his daily press conferences. If an election was held today, he'd smoke everyone and it wouldn't even be close. The guy totally changed his perception by acting how a leader is supposed to during a pandemic.
July 20, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, mayanh8 said: Wait wait wait wait wait... Are you really trying to argue that Trump was trying to fight the virus but states weren't listening to him because he doesn't have any authority or influence over GOP governors that opened too early? No, I'm saying that independent of Trump I don't think our republic worked very well in this situation. Some governors opened too early, some stayed closed too long. Even if the federal plan had been airtight I feel like politics would have gotten in the way. In general I like the Republic concept, keep issues and control closer to the constituency. But, in a situation like this it just turns into sloppy chaos.
July 20, 20205 yr 44 minutes ago, Lloyd said: On the topic of people we briefly respected, I was thinking about the overlap of people who demanded to "re-open our economy" and the people who refuse to wear masks while patronizing businesses where our low-paid essential workers earn a living. Reopen the economy, and also screw these minimum wage losers working to keep the economy open. Yea it's kind of messed up how we were all about our essential workers. Now to the hell with you and your store forcing me to wear a mask /sarcasm
July 20, 20205 yr 33 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: The interesting thing about the bolded part is that it would've helped his re-election chances 1000% if he took the virus seriously, listened to the experts, and acted Presidential no matter what the economy looked like come election time. You're not wrong. This just demonstrates how big of an idiot he is. He is completely reactive and tactical, and cannot even see one move ahead at this point. He has no ability to think strategically beyond some reflexive need to blame others and pretend things would be fine if we just ignored the problems. Voters wanted a president to run govt like a business. The problem is that picked a crap 'businessman' who was bailed out and enabled by daddy and who never developed any actual ability to solve problems beyond lashing out and blaming others.
July 20, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, vikas83 said: Don't hold your breath on waiting for a response to this. Comparing Trump's COVID response to one guy's comments on H1N1 is one million percent more relevant than looking at the results in other industrialized nations during the COVID crisis; clearly, Biden wouldn't have done the same things as every other competent leader on the planet. That's just obvious. Do you not know how to lick boots, bro? Live look at Norseman. Who needs facts when you can lick boot for MAGA?
July 20, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said: No, I'm saying that independent of Trump I don't think our republic worked very well in this situation. Some governors opened too early, some stayed closed too long. That's because Trump and the federal government were knowingly and completely asleep at the wheel. There could have easily been a standard set of rules to play by.
July 20, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, vikas83 said: This...1000x this. Biden would have, at the very least, actually copied what others had done in places like the EU that were more successful. Let's actually examine the crisis and Trump's actions vs. what any functional adult would have done. - Early on: I agree to an extent that Trump/Biden/anyone would have been caught somewhat flatfooted in January. Now, I do think a President Biden may have kept the Pandemic Response Team and capabilities on the NSC, and he may have followed the playbook left by the Obama administration, since, he was part of that administration. But no one could have stopped the initial stage of the pandemic. -January through February: This is where Trump gets his F- and Biden, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, my dog would have done a better job. Once the virus was here in late January/early February, any rational leader would have mobilized resources to massively expand PPE, ventilators and TESTING INFRASTRUCTURE. Trump spent the entire month of February downplaying the virus, acting like his very limited travel ban would somehow save us. We saw South Korea, we saw Italy -- we new what was coming and head extra time. Trump's complete waste of this time period is the first of his unforgivable sins. -March: Trump finally starts to sort of take the virus seriously, but governors are forced to step to the forefront on locking down the country (Newsom, Cuomo, DeWine, etc.). Finally the administration starts putting out some guidelines on dealing with the virus and starts getting Fauci and other experts out there. The testing is still a catastrophe, but resources are finally rallied to PPE and ventilators, as well as emergency hospital capacity. By the end of March, early April, there is cautious optimism that maybe we are flattening the curve. For about 3-4 weeks, the administration actually gives a damn and does an adequate job. -April to present: And here comes the second F-. Trump sees falling economic data and freaks that he is losing his only/strongest re-election argument. While experts are putting out guidelines for a conservative re-opening approach along the lines of other countries, Trump decides to start tweeting "Liberate Michigan" and pushing his GOP ally governors to re-open while ripping Democrats for not doing so (saying they want to hurt him politically). He politicizes mask wearing as an attack on him. He promotes useless and potentially dangerous drugs. He reverts to out and out racism to try and shift the blame to China. He pushes for schools to re-open with no plan and threatens funding. And now he just flat out lies about the reality and ignores the situation because he doesn't want to deal with bad news. If you think Biden would have done any of this...then you are a Trumpbot. Please tell me you have a greyhound
July 20, 20205 yr On 6/19/2020 at 12:04 PM, mikemack8 said: I'll be flying to Florida next week - I'll make sure I report back here in a few weeks after I don't get coronavirus As promised. It's been 15 days since I returned. I flew in one of those instant death machines - the haze of coronavirus was so thick in the cabin I could barely see the seat in front of me. We landed in the barren wasteland of COVID-19 MAGAbots that was once known as Florida, spent 10 days there, went to several beaches, then flew back in yet another steel tube of despair. My wife, daughter and I have made it through this horrific ordeal with nothing more than a tan. I guess we're the lucky ones.
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