July 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Making vague unsubstantiated claims about "the overwhelming amount of research" then asking others to "cite their sources" is a bit laughable This is definitely lalone, right?
July 21, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said: It's a minority of students but the consequences can be severe. The reality is for kids with mental health issues/depression that have suicidal tendencies, they are often safer in school than they are at home. Teachers and counselors are trained to notice red flags and elevate them for intervention. Also, it's not uncommon for parents to suffer from the same mental health issues that their child does, meaning behaviors that would raise a red flag at school might not register with their parent/family. Right, but like I said, that's not the norm. And the consequences of killing your grandma can be severe too.
July 21, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Right, but like I said, that's not the norm. And the consequences of killing your grandma can be severe too. No no no we all need to be afraid of the incredible dangers of kids being at their houses with their families. The damage they experience from this horror will be irreparable. We're also all afraid of the pile of bodies and all the deaths that occurred and continue to occur from the economic shutdown. I'm all for opening anything we can as long as it can be done reasonably and safely, but these weird illogical reasons they are saying why we have to open discredit the entire argument one side is trying to make.
July 21, 20205 yr Also, no one who is using this argument currently was giving a flying F about these kids and their terrible home lives until now strangely.
July 21, 20205 yr 31 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: What does "worse off" mean in this instance? Kids in abusive homes? I've seen some people cite domestic abuse, suicide, etc., but that's not the norm. I'd say if you're a stable, non-abusive parent, the dangers are greater in sending your kid to school than keeping them out. Good question. And I'd add that generally, we're all "worse off" trapped at home. Problem is, there's a pandemic happening outside, which is why we're trading the "worse off" of continuing to spread a virus for the "worse off" of the various mental/emotional/financial ailments that come with having a portion of society shut down. Maybe I'm crazy, but the virus seems to be the root of the problem, so if we make an actual effort to deal with that, we could unlock all sorts of fun stuff we can do in society again. 4 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Also, no one who is using this argument currently was giving a flying F about these kids and their terrible home lives until now strangely. Or mental illness in general.
July 21, 20205 yr Excited for the return of the COVID briefings. Who woulda thought back in April that having the My Pillow guy address America wouldn't even crack the top 10 moments of these things.
July 21, 20205 yr Just now, LeanMeanGM said: Excited for the return of the COVID briefings. Who woulda thought back in April that having the My Pillow guy address America wouldn't even crack the top 10 moments of these things. Going to be hard to top his clorox moment
July 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: What does "worse off" mean in this instance? Kids in abusive homes? I've seen some people cite domestic abuse, suicide, etc., but that's not the norm. I'd say if you're a stable, non-abusive parent, the dangers are greater in sending your kid to school than keeping them out. Statistically worse off. Yea, abuse, suicide, drugs are the extreme cases, but there is also a lot being written now about lack of socialization having negative effects on kids. If a parent feels that their kids are better off at home then they should have the option to keep them home, I'm totally fine with that. But, if we uniformly say that we won't open schools then no kid has the option to go.
July 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Statistically worse off. Yea, abuse, suicide, drugs are the extreme cases, but there is also a lot being written now about lack of socialization having negative effects on kids. If a parent feels that their kids are better off at home then they should have the option to keep them home, I'm totally fine with that. But, if we uniformly say that we won't open schools then no kid has the option to go. Well, I haven't seen anyone uniformly calling for every kid in the country to stay home. Most people seem to be suggesting that it's up to each locality to decide, based on the severity of the outbreak in their location. In a lot of places, the risk of going in will far outweigh any dangers from staying home (where the vast majority of kids don't live in abusive homes) and in others it won't.
July 21, 20205 yr Have to give it to him... this briefing is near perfection for Trump. He's not allowing himself to be baited and his answers make sense. Really strong so far.
July 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Have to give it to him... this briefing is near perfection for Trump. He's not allowing himself to be baited and his answers make sense. Really strong so far. Yea it was really boring
July 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Have to give it to him... this briefing is near perfection for Trump. He's not allowing himself to be baited and his answers make sense. Really strong so far. Dammit, no one believed me. I said yesterday, he was gonna hold strong for a maximum of 2 of these briefings. And then he'll get bored and lose discipline.
July 21, 20205 yr Completely forgot about this. Was a very strange back and forth about Maxwell. He absolutely would not say anything bad about her. Even wished her well.
July 21, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, DEagle7 said: Making vague unsubstantiated claims about "the overwhelming amount of research" then asking others to "cite their sources" is a bit laughable, but sure here ya go. Large study out of Korea. Not perfect but by far the most powerful study to date: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article Household transmission was lower in 0-9 but in the 10-19 it spiked again. Concern being those rates could jump even higher in both once schools open up again. Michael Osterholm, arguably the biggest epidemiologic expert in the US has said: "I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population.There will be transmission, what we have to do is accept that now and include that in our plans.” For the record, I'm not totally against schools reopening in some capacity. But it has to be done smartly, and even still there are very likely going to be significant effects because of it that need to be monitored. Interesting, I hadn't see that study. Most of the research I'm stating has come out of Europe. Its hard to compile it but the link below probably does the best job. In short, it looks at all different countries who have opened and talks about the viral spread in schools. The ones that are doing it properly (social distancing, sanitizing etc) seem to very low spread rates. I work for a European company and all my European colleagues think it's absolutely nuts that we are even debating opening schools. https://globalhealth.washington.edu/sites/default/files/COVID-19 Schools Summary (2).pdf?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRreE5XWXlORFF3TXpNeCIsInQiOiJIbVNQTTVySEo0Vzk1cHVBZVVqWnFGVmR1UEJxRGdpd01mTXg4OGw3Mk5nTnpmaUoyMGt2UXIwWVZBOE5GVjIybHA5aStrbzJ3MUxsanoxamZibmlocmpSbXZyVFVoV0VHYU1aTGx0RnpsMXlmOEtXSVJqaDJsZ0RJU1BQcVZjZSJ9 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Well, I haven't seen anyone uniformly calling for every kid in the country to stay home. Most people seem to be suggesting that it's up to each locality to decide, based on the severity of the outbreak in their location. In a lot of places, the risk of going in will far outweigh any dangers from staying home (where the vast majority of kids don't live in abusive homes) and in others it won't. Most districts around me are presenting three options, go, stay home or some hybrid where kids to limited days a week. My preference would be that they reopen on a full five day week for the primary school kids and maybe do the hybrid for the older kids. Obviously this would include staggered schedules, santization, social distancing etc. I suspect however that they will do the shortened week. What i'm really pushing back against is the complete virtual option. I just think the negatives outweigh the positives here.
July 21, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Most districts around me are presenting three options, go, stay home or some hybrid where kids to limited days a week. My preference would be that they reopen on a full five day week for the primary school kids and maybe do the hybrid for the older kids. Obviously this would include staggered schedules, santization, social distancing etc. I suspect however that they will do the shortened week. What i'm really pushing back against is the complete virtual option. I just think the negatives outweigh the positives here. Well you can push back on it, but it's going to happen in a lot of cases and it should. In most places, if the outbreak is out of control, they aren't going to let the schools open up, even on some kind of rotating schedule.
July 21, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, paco said: 95 NFL players tested positive for COVID I believe that is from the beginning, not new cases.
July 21, 20205 yr On 7/20/2020 at 2:51 PM, mikemack8 said: As promised. It's been 15 days since I returned. I flew in one of those instant death machines - the haze of coronavirus was so thick in the cabin I could barely see the seat in front of me. We landed in the barren wasteland of COVID-19 MAGAbots that was once known as Florida, spent 10 days there, went to several beaches, then flew back in yet another steel tube of despair. My wife, daughter and I have made it through this horrific ordeal with nothing more than a tan. I guess we're the lucky ones. I'm glad you are good, but you couldn't pay me to get on plane right now. Weekly air travel is\was a requirement of my job and thankfully my company and my client has been great about letting me WFH. Too risky to get on a plane several times a week.
July 21, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Well you can push back on it, but it's going to happen in a lot of cases and it should. In most places, if the outbreak is out of control, they aren't going to let the schools open up, even on some kind of rotating schedule. And I would fully support that. But its not here, and its not in any places.
July 21, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: I believe that is from the beginning, not new cases. Ah. Still.... the NFL population has at least double the % of the US population.
July 22, 20205 yr Tuesday update. Still dealing with the on/off fever. Been sweating most of the day. Mild headache came back today and has lingered all day. No congestion and no runny nose. Still feel like I have about half the energy that I usually would. Just been loafing around the house all day. So far this has been more of an aggravating annoyance than anything else.
July 22, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, mayanh8 said: Completely forgot about this. Was a very strange back and forth about Maxwell. He absolutely would not say anything bad about her. Even wished her well. "Please don't tell on me"
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