July 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said: Yea but a guy died in a car crash that was ruled as Covid!!!! (that the CDC later corrected but who cares about details) One question. Round or flat?
July 24, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yeah that’s false. A review of excess mortality data shows that the amount of excess deaths in this country significantly exceeds the COVID death count. If anything, the COVID death count is an UNDERCOUNT. Careful or he will blame that on the lockdown.
July 24, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Careful or he will blame that on the lockdown. I was about to say something along the lines of...."The next thing you will hear the far right say is that the excess death toll is due to being locked down...domestic abuse, mental health, people losing their jobs, more violence, etc etc" Which could also be (at least in part) true but even so, but it wouldn't be enough to fill that gap, imo.
July 24, 20205 yr https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/07/23/health-officials-recommend-glory-holes-safe-sex-pandemic-13028334/amp/
July 24, 20205 yr Quote ** This is an open letter to America’s decision makers, on behalf of health professionals across the country. We'll update the list regularly with signatures. If you're a health professional and want to add your name, you can do so here Dear decision makers, Hit the reset button. Of all the nations in the world, we’ve had the most deaths from COVID-19. At the same time, we’re in the midst of "reopening our economy,” exposing more and more people to coronavirus and watching numbers of cases -- and deaths -- skyrocket. In March, people went home and stayed there for weeks, to keep themselves and their neighbors safe. You didn’t use the time to set us up to defeat the virus. And then you started to reopen anyway, and too quickly. Right now we are on a path to lose more than 200,000 American lives by November 1st. Yet, in many states people can drink in bars, get a haircut, eat inside a restaurant, get a tattoo, get a massage, and do myriad other normal, pleasant, but non-essential activities. Get our priorities straight. More than 117,000 Americans had died of COVID-19 by mid-June. If our response had been as effective as Germany’s, estimates show that we would have had only 36,000 COVID-19 deaths in that period in the United States. If our response had been as effective as South Korea, Australia, or Singapore’s, fewer than 2,000 Americans would have died. We could have prevented 99% of those COVID-19 deaths. But we didn’t. The best thing for the nation is not to reopen as quickly as possible, it’s to save as many lives as possible. And reopening before suppressing the virus isn’t going to help the economy. Economists have gone on record saying that the only way to "restore the economy is to address the pandemic itself,” pointing out that until we find a way to boost testing and develop and distribute a vaccine, open or not, people will not be in the mood to participate. Listen to the experts. Public health professionals have made clear that even after we’ve contained the virus by staying at home, in order to reopen American cities and towns safely, we will need: -- Enough daily testing capacity to test everyone with flu-like symptoms plus anyone they have been in close contact with over the last 2 weeks (at least 10 additional tests per symptomatic person). We currently have only 35% of the testing capacity we need to meet that threshold. The more people get sick, the more testing is required. -- A workforce of contact tracers large enough to trace all current cases. That’s 210,000 more contact tracers than we had in April, but the number keeps going up as infections rise. Most states are far short of the number of contact tracers they need. In addition, we need more personal protective equipment (PPE) to keep essential workers like health professionals, emergency responders, and grocery store clerks safe. Shut it down now, and start over. Non-essential businesses should be closed. Restaurant service should be limited to take-out. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. Masks should be mandatory in all situations, indoors and outdoors, where we interact with others. We need that protocol in place until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace. Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening, one small step at a time. You should bar non-essential interstate travel. When people travel freely between states, the good numbers in one state can go bad quickly. If you don’t take these actions, the consequences will be measured in widespread suffering and death. We need you to lead. Tell the American people the truth about the virus, even when it’s hard. Take bold action to save lives -- even when it means shutting down again. Unleash the resources needed to contain the virus: massively ramping up testing, building the necessary infrastructure for effective contact tracing, and providing a safety net for those who need it. Many of the actions of our government thus far have fallen short of what the moment demands. Mr. Trump, federal administration, honorable governors: we remind you that history has its eyes on you. Sincerely, i cut off the hundreds of signatures at the bottom.
July 24, 20205 yr 14 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said: Not in the top 3 worst of all time, but it's in the Honorable Mentions category. It looks like he was trying out for Shot Put. That was a perfectly social distanced pitch
July 24, 20205 yr Stephen Miller, a top adviser to President Donald Trump, is insisting his grandmother did not die of the coronavirus, despite a death certificate that states otherwise https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/stephen-miller-rejects-claim-grandmother-died-of-covid-636188
July 24, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Stephen Miller, a top adviser to President Donald Trump, is insisting his grandmother did not die of the coronavirus, despite a death certificate that states otherwise https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/stephen-miller-rejects-claim-grandmother-died-of-covid-636188 Why does anyone need to insist or not insist about how a 97 year old woman died?
July 24, 20205 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Why does anyone need to insist or not insist about how a 97 year old woman died? because politics.
July 24, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Stephen Miller, a top adviser to President Donald Trump, is insisting his grandmother did not die of the coronavirus, despite a death certificate that states otherwise https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/stephen-miller-rejects-claim-grandmother-died-of-covid-636188 I didn't read all that, but if she tested positive it could have been a contributing factor. They listed her cause as respiratory failure. Mr. Di didn't actually die of the cancer itself, he died from respiratory failure (pneumonia) in his good lung. The cancer treatment and having the disease is the underlying cause which is listed under the initial cause of death on a death certificate.
July 24, 20205 yr A few days late with this update from the Doc. This post discusses COVID in children and the possibility of airborne transmission. https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/07/71920-covid-19-update.html AMERICA THE CORONA Yesterday the Canadian government denied a request by the Toronto Blue Jays and MLB to waive the requirement for enforced mandatory quarantine so that they might play BASEBALL in their home stadium in Toronto. Currently Canada has fewer than 300 new Covid cases per day. Much to the Canadian Government's credit, they denied the request citing the need to safeguard the health of their citizenry. Meanwhile in America the Corona, with currently over 70,000 new infections per day, the owners of MLB and the NFL and some Governors are still discussing allowing fans in the stands when the seasons begin shortly. MONEY, not the welfare of the citizens seems to be the consideration. A stark contrast of two Countries. COVID IN CHILDREN Two very disturbing reports have surfaced concerning infections in children. In one from Florida this week, a very large percentage of positive tests in children has recently been evidenced. In Texas, in one County, a large number of infants have tested positive for Covid recently. These are reports in the lay press and I have yet to see comment in a major medical Journal. Children have been underrepresented in Covid-19 infections up to this point. If these reports turn out to be accurate it will change the equation on school and how we view this virus, AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION OF CoV-2 Theoretical Considerations and Available Evidence Michael Klompas, MD JAMA 7/13/20 TURBULENT GAS CLOUDS AND RESPIRATORY PATHOGEN EMISSIONS AND POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR REDUCING TRANSMISSION OF COVID-19 Bourouiba L, PhD JAMA 3/26/20 HOW IS COVID-19 TRANSMITTED Interview with Michael Klompas, MD, Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School Audio Stream JAMA 7/18/20 Recently there has been renewed debate over the mechanisms of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. The articles cited above are a good example of theoretical science versus the clinical application of that science. Droplets versus Aerosol Droplets are classically described as larger entities (> 5 microns) that rapidly drop to the ground by force of gravity , typically within three to six feet of the source person. Aerosols are smaller particles (< 5 microns) that rapidly evaporate in the air, leaving droplet nuclei that are small enough and light enough to remain suspended in the air for hours. (analogous to pollen) Determining whether droplets or aerosols predominate in transmission of Covid has critical implications. If Covid is spread by droplets then wearing MEDICAL masks , face shields and or distancing six feet from the source person should be adequate to prevent transmission. If however Covid is carried by aerosols that can spread out over 20 feet and remain suspended for hours, MEDICAL masks would be inadequate because of the looser fit and the ability of the smaller particles to pass through the mask mesh. Face shields have gaps that would allow the smaller, free floating particles in, and six feet would be inadequate. Aerosols would make indoor spaces dangerous such as theaters and restaurants. Aerosol transmission however is not consistent with what is known clinically. Measles which is an aerosol carried virus has a reproductive number of 18. Covid has a reproductive number of two to three. Transmission rates of 5% for Covid would not be expected with aerosol transmission. Transmission in Covid households is only 10 to 40%. Measles is almost 100%. The viral load necessary to initiate infection is also important and appears to play a role, irrespective of transmission mode. That is why fresh airflow, or air scrubbers or far UV light may be beneficial in reducing infection rates or the chance of infection. If aerosol has a significant role in the spread of Covid than N95 masks would be more protective than MEDICAL masks in preventing airborne respiratory transmission. There have have been four randomized trials that have directly compared N95 masks to MEDICAL masks and found no difference in the rates of confirmed non SARS coronavirus infections among healthcare workers. There are several epidemiologic studies that have demonstrated the effectiveness of mitigation strategies that should not have worked if aerosols played a clinically significant role in transmission of the virus. Currently, although theoretically feasible, it does not appear that aerosol transmission is clinically significant. ANTI-VACCINE Robert F. Kennedy seems to be energizing the anti-vaccine folks (as if they needed any help) and recruiting other leaders to join his cause. As time approaches the results of clinical trials on the vaccines, I expect this rhetoric to increase. With a society already confused by mixed messages and misinformation I will not be surprised to see the numbers of people willing to receive a vaccine drop so low as to make vaccination a non-issue in the fight against Covid-19 in the United States. If that becomes a reality, than Covid will influence our lives for several more years. Businesses that depend on close groupings of people without masks, such as restaurants, need to morph into takeout fare or risk extinction. NUMBERS - 140,120 dead This weeks data is compared to that of last week Alabama - 33% increase in bed utilization, 46% rise in new cases California - 8% increase in bed utilization, 5% rise in new cases Connecticut - 20% rise in bed utilization, 6% rise in new cases Florida - 27% rise in bed utilization, 25% rise in new cases Georgia - 20% rise in bed utilization, 22% rise in new cases Illinois - 3% decline in bed utilization, 18% rise in cases Iowa - 18% rise in bed utilization, 14% decline in new cases Louisiana - 20% increase in bed utilization, 10% decline in new cases Maryland - 15% increase in bed utilization, 4% increase in new cases Michigan - 35% increase in bed utilization, 1% increase in cases New Jersey - 8% decrease in bed utilization, 3% decline in new cases New York - 7% decrease in bed utilization, 18% increase in new cases Ohio - 10% increase in bed utilization, 17% increase in new cases Pennsylvania - 8% increase in bed utilization, 3% increase in new cases South Carolina - 14% increase in bed utilization, 11% increase in new cases Texas - 6% increase in bed utilization, 7% increase in new cases Wisconsin - 23% increase in bed utilization, 20% increase in new cases Texas leads the country in bed utilization at 10,658 Alabama leads the country this week in percentage new cases Michigan leads leads this group in increase percentage of beds utilized Florida leads the country this week in absolute number of increased bed utilization at 1958, and increased new cases at 67,758, great job Governor DeSantis, who is still holding out against a mask mandate for his state. Enjoy the afternoon Live Safely Be Well
July 24, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: With a society already confused by mixed messages and misinformation I will not be surprised to see the numbers of people willing to receive a vaccine drop so low as to make vaccination a non-issue in the fight against Covid-19 in the United States. If that becomes a reality, than Covid will influence our lives for several more years. This is terrifying and sadly not that far fetched. If this happens, we're officially the dumbest people in the world and it'll be time to invoke this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts The problem is, if Trump's still the guy, no way he'd do it.
July 24, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: This is terrifying and sadly not that far fetched. If this happens, we're officially the dumbest people in the world and it'll be time to invoke this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts The problem is, if Trump's still the guy, no way he'd do it. Yeah, but IF we develop a vaccine, and IF it works, and IF it is made available -- I will get it. So COVID may keep spreading, but I'll be fine. So let Darwin do his thing.
July 24, 20205 yr i don't think fauci & his wife need to wears masks around each other. who's the guy on the left?
July 24, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Yeah, but IF we develop a vaccine, and IF it works, and IF it is made available -- I will get it. So COVID may keep spreading, but I'll be fine. So let Darwin do his thing. Oh for sure, well so will I, but if, say 25% of the country doesn't get it (I doubt it would be that high, but you never know), then how does business get back to normal? Like the post says, restaurants are going to continue to be effected, theaters, crowded stadiums are too, does it continue to hurt the bottom line and continue to keep people out of work? And what if it mutates while it continues to spread and then the people that got vaccinated are no longer immune? I worry that there could be some ramifications for everybody if too many people fall for the conspiracies.
July 24, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i don't think fauci & his wife need to wears masks around each other. who's the guy on the left? A friend. It's mostly BS. I haven't seen a video so most likely it was journalists waiting for a split second he did something wrong. I'm sure he's also getting tested regularly, so if he keeps testing negative, there's not really a need to wear a mask 100% of the time. The only somewhat off-putting thing is the guy next to him, but no one really knows his background or situation. But you just know what anti-maskers and hoaxers are going to do with this type of ammo.
July 24, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, vikas83 said: Yeah, but IF we develop a vaccine, and IF it works, and IF it is made available -- I will get it. So COVID may keep spreading, but I'll be fine. So let Darwin do his thing. The collateral damage will be less for sure, but it still pisses me off given how many immunocompromised people can't get vaccines and how many parents won't let their kids get it. Although hopefully school mandates curb the latter. Only so much you can do I guess.
July 24, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, DEagle7 said: The collateral damage will be less for sure, but it still pisses me off given how many immunocompromised people can't get vaccines and how many parents won't let their kids get it. Although hopefully school mandates curbs the latter. Only so much you can do I guess. Yeah -- I get that. It's like how people who don't vaccinate their kids put kids who can't be vaccinated at risk. Obviously, it would be best for mass adoption of the vaccine, but I just don't see that happening in our overly polarized society with so many morons.
July 25, 20205 yr Oh would you look at that...I’ve been saying this for months. https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-face-masks-breathing-valves-200214481.html
July 25, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, DBW said: Oh would you look at that...I’ve been saying this for months. https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-face-masks-breathing-valves-200214481.html That's nothing new, I actually bought them over a month ago knowing they are useless but I could breath better. 1 minute ago, Shepard Wong said: I thought this was common knowledge by now, no? Guess not
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