July 30, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: I just can’t anymore. Texas switched to start using date of death rather than reported date of death as well. This might seem innocuous and even more correct, but it has the effect of always underreporting the recent past because reporting isn't always, or even usually, timely. So their charting is always going LOOK as though it's trending downward at the moment - because data hasn't been reported yet. This is most certainly a deliberate move to be able to produce charts like the one above that always show a fairly pronounced drop at the end. Those numbers are incomplete. In a week they will all be higher, bit another week of incomplete data will exist between them and it will look the same with a higher peak.
July 30, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: Numbers also don't go to the CDC anymore. Meh, CDC is behind in their data anyways. Johns Hopkins and Worldometers are the up to date sources everyone has been using anyway. So, while it’s alarming that the administration is looking to try to politicize things, it really won’t change the data as we see it, because people aren’t looking at the cdc data anyway.
July 30, 20205 yr My great uncle was just released from the hospital and is well on his way to recovering from COVID-19. He is 85 years old and has 20% heart function as a result of a massive heart attack some years ago. He had mild symptoms about a week ago for 2 days and on day 3 he developed a very high fever and a sensation of drowning. His daughter rushed him to the ER where they began treating him. Thank you to the front line physician there that immediately began treating him with Vitamin C, Azythromycin and Planquil (hydrocychloroquin). On day 4 he was intubated with the intention of ventilating on day 5 if he had not improved. By day 5 his fever broke and he was feeling better and ventilating was not needed. Day 6 saw marked improvement but due to his age and underlying conditions, they decided to keep him for one more day for observation. On day 7, no fever, blood oxygen levels normal, and his sense of smell and taste returned. He was discharged and sent home where, other than being a bit fatigued, he is doing well. The nurse called his daughter to check on him and bluntly said that the drug therapy saved his life. I find it disturbing that in the middle of a pandemic, even the use of a 60 plus year old drug as a possible therapy has become politicized and is even a lightning rod of controversy. This virus doesn’t care if you’re a republican or a Democrat. We should be open to therapies to fight this virus. If we find ourselves secretly rooting for this virus to do enough damage to hurt one candidate and help another, we must question our own humanity. We have no clue what the attending physician’s politics are, nor do we care to know. We are thankful that he made a decision that some people would ridicule because that courage has ensured that we didn’t have to say goodbye to a loved one on the other side of a window.
July 30, 20205 yr just saw a couple reports that herman cain passed away due to coronavirus. they weren't the most reliable sources & i hope they're not true.
July 30, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: just saw a couple reports that herman cain passed away due to coronavirus. hope they're not true. It's true
July 30, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, VeeMak said: My great uncle was just released from the hospital and is well on his way to recovering from COVID-19. He is 85 years old and has 20% heart function as a result of a massive heart attack some years ago. He had mild symptoms about a week ago for 2 days and on day 3 he developed a very high fever and a sensation of drowning. His daughter rushed him to the ER where they began treating him. Thank you to the front line physician there that immediately began treating him with Vitamin C, Azythromycin and Planquil (hydrocychloroquin). On day 4 he was intubated with the intention of ventilating on day 5 if he had not improved. By day 5 his fever broke and he was feeling better and ventilating was not needed. Day 6 saw marked improvement but due to his age and underlying conditions, they decided to keep him for one more day for observation. On day 7, no fever, blood oxygen levels normal, and his sense of smell and taste returned. He was discharged and sent home where, other than being a bit fatigued, he is doing well. The nurse called his daughter to check on him and bluntly said that the drug therapy saved his life. I find it disturbing that in the middle of a pandemic, even the use of a 60 plus year old drug as a possible therapy has become politicized and is even a lightning rod of controversy. This virus doesn’t care if you’re a republican or a Democrat. We should be open to therapies to fight this virus. If we find ourselves secretly rooting for this virus to do enough damage to hurt one candidate and help another, we must question our own humanity. We have no clue what the attending physician’s politics are, nor do we care to know. We are thankful that he made a decision that some people would ridicule because that courage has ensured that we didn’t have to say goodbye to a loved one on the other side of a window. I am very glad your uncle recovered. I’m not sure what you mean when you say "we should be open to therapies to fight this virus” as if we aren’t already doing that. There are over 1,000 clinical trials happening world wide trying to find a treatment for this virus. The amount of funding and effort being put into finding a treatment and a vaccine for this virus is literally unprecedented. There are over 100 clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine. Unfortunately, the trials that have concluded have shown that the drug provides no benefit as compared to a placebo. So when you say it’s disturbing that a drug has become politicized, I must ask, who do you think is politicizing it? The people who are looking at the abundance of evidence that shows that it provides no benefit and looking elsewhere for treatment? Or the people who, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, still parade out the notion that it is effective in combatting the virus?
July 30, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: just saw a couple reports that herman cain passed away due to coronavirus. they weren't the most reliable sources & i hope they're not true. Damn that sucks.
July 30, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: It's true I was not a fan of his but that's terrible. Hopefully his death will save someone else's life in terms of warning them to take this more seriously and avoid mass gatherings.
July 30, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: I was not a fan of his but that's terrible. Hopefully his death will save someone else's life in terms of warning them to take this more seriously and avoid mass gatherings. Trump should probably stop doing rallies if it’s literally killing people. But I don’t think he will.
July 30, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: I am very glad your uncle recovered. I’m not sure what you mean when you say "we should be open to therapies to fight this virus” as if we aren’t already doing that. There are over 1,000 clinical trials happening world wide trying to find a treatment for this virus. The amount of funding and effort being put into finding a treatment and a vaccine for this virus is literally unprecedented. There are over 100 clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine. Unfortunately, the trials that have concluded have shown that the drug provides no benefit as compared to a placebo. So when you say it’s disturbing that a drug has become politicized, I must ask, who do you think is politicizing it? The people who are looking at the abundance of evidence that shows that it provides no benefit and looking elsewhere for treatment? Or the people who, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, still parade out the notion that it is effective in combatting the virus? There have been studies done that conclude the opposite of your premise, as well. Henry Ford comes to mind. And it is the constant and rigorous studying that causes the scientific and medical world to change their minds on a number of drugs as they are continuously studied. To be closed minded based on the latest round of studies without further vigorous investigation is boorish at best. There are enough worldwide studies and evidence to support that further investigation is needed before anyone concludes one way or the other. The best "study” I can cite is an 85 year old male with 20% heart function had COVID-19 with severe symptoms and survived.
July 30, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, VeeMak said: There have been studies done that conclude the opposite of your premise, as well. Henry Ford comes to mind. And it is the constant and rigorous studying that causes the scientific and medical world to change their minds on a number of drugs as they are continuously studied. To be closed minded based on the latest round of studies without further vigorous investigation is boorish at best. There are enough worldwide studies and evidence to support that further investigation is needed before anyone concludes one way or the other. The best "study” I can cite is an 85 year old male with 20% heart function had COVID-19 with severe symptoms and survived. I disagree strongly with your statement and conclusions, but I'm very happy for you and your father.
July 30, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, VeeMak said: There have been studies done that conclude the opposite of your premise, as well. Henry Ford comes to mind. And it is the constant and rigorous studying that causes the scientific and medical world to change their minds on a number of drugs as they are continuously studied. To be closed minded based on the latest round of studies without further vigorous investigation is boorish at best. There are enough worldwide studies and evidence to support that further investigation is needed before anyone concludes one way or the other. The best "study” I can cite is an 85 year old male with 20% heart function had COVID-19 with severe symptoms and survived. No, there have not been. The Henry Ford study (Like every other study that showed correlation between HCQ and recovery rate) was an observational study, not a clinical trial. Observational studies don’t prove causation, they only show correlation. The conclusion of the Henry Ford study is that randomized blind clinical trials must be completed to prove the efficacy of HCQ. In an observational study, you don’t have two equal demographic groups of patients that are randomized to receive either treatment or a placebo (or the standard care). So there can be other confounding factors outside of the treatment that may skew the results (such as patient selection of who receives treatment vs who receives the placebo/standard of care). Hence, why observational studies don’t prove causation, and just show correlation.
July 30, 20205 yr Cain didn’t have to die. He ran a bad presidential campaign but he was a very smart man and by all accounts very generous and well liked. Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point cofounder Bill Montgomery has also died
July 30, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Mike030270 said: Just got the notification. Did he have any autoimmune problems? He had cancer before. Not sure if that put him more at risk?
July 30, 20205 yr Truly bizarre. I definitely don’t understand the folks who call it a hoax all the way to their grave. But even more puzzling are the folks who continue to do so as the death toll piles up with more public figures dying from Covid. Sadly, doctors and medical experts have lost the information war to the GOP.
July 30, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: He had cancer before. Not sure if that put him more at risk? Haven't heard about it but I also haven't been keeping track. Wouldn't surprise me though
July 30, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Haven't heard about it but I also haven't been keeping track. Wouldn't surprise me though Kemp was a mentor to him. After he died of cancer Cain swore he’d fight his if he ever got it which he did. Years ago. He spent about a month in the hospital for this. Must have been terrible. Bad way to go. I always liked him
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