August 27, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: We're better at math, bro. Deal with it. No disrespect. Your math skills are undoubtably better than mine. I'm sure the other reasons you mention played a big role as well, but I have some serious doubts about their ability/desire to measure deaths in the more rural, poorer areas, and amongst the migrant laborers. I studied the Palliative Care system out of Kerala for a project in residency, which was super interesting and impressive, but also highlighted the difficulties they had with system overburden even in one of the wealthier states in the country.
August 27, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: No disrespect. Your math skills are undoubtably better than mine. I'm sure the other reasons you mention played a big role as well, but I have some serious doubts about their ability/desire to measure deaths in the more rural, poorer areas, and amongst the migrant laborers. I studied the Palliative Care system out of Kerala for a project in residency, which was super interesting and impressive, but also highlighted the difficulties they had with system overburden even in one of the wealthier states in the country. Don’t disagree at all. Just mainly having fun. I do think this country needs to have a real conversation about obesity though. Eating right and exercising can do more for your immune system than almost anything else. Instead we seem to be moving towards glorifying obesity and worrying about hurting feelings.
August 27, 20206 yr 13 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Don’t disagree at all. Just mainly having fun. I do think this country needs to have a real conversation about obesity though. Eating right and exercising can do more for your immune system than almost anything else. Instead we seem to be moving towards glorifying obesity and worrying about hurting feelings. Not a big Lizzo fan I take it?
August 27, 20206 yr 5 hours ago, Toastrel said: USA = 5.9 million cases. 182 thousand deaths India = 3.31 million cases. 60 thousand deaths. Generally speaking, one would think India would far worse than the USA. And yet. . . . We never expected to stop the virus, only slow it down so excuse me for not freaking out when less than 2% of the country tested positive after all this time.
August 27, 20206 yr 4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: We never expected to stop the virus, only slow it down so excuse me for not freaking out when less than 2% of the country tested positive after all this time. Yep just 5.8 million cases + 180 thousand deaths and rising. Certainly not worth "freaking out" over
August 27, 20206 yr 9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Yep just 5.8 million cases + 180 thousand deaths and rising. Certainly not worth "freaking out" over There are far more dangerous things out there that we don’t freak out about.
August 27, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: There are far more dangerous things out there that we don’t freak out about. Yes because Trump isn't in charge of protecting us from them.
August 27, 20206 yr 3 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: There are far more dangerous things out there that we don’t freak out about. Do tell. Would love to hear this reasoning.
August 27, 20206 yr 30 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Do tell. Would love to hear this reasoning. I’m not sure what you are looking for me to say about a virus a that we were all supposed to eventually get, and her we are six months in less than 2% of the country has tested positive. I still take it serious and comply with social distancing and wearing a mask, but I won’t apologize for not being afraid of the virus and being more concerned about the additional harm we are doing to our economy.
August 27, 20206 yr Just now, Tnt4philly said: I’m not sure what you are looking for me to say about a virus a that we were all supposed to eventually get, and her we are six months in less than 2% of the country has tested positive. I still take it serious and comply with social distancing and wearing a mask, but I won’t apologize for not being afraid of the virus and being more concerned about the additional harm we are doing to our economy.
August 28, 20206 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: I’m not sure what you are looking for me to say about a virus a that we were all supposed to eventually get, and her we are six months in less than 2% of the country has tested positive. I still take it serious and comply with social distancing and wearing a mask, but I won’t apologize for not being afraid of the virus and being more concerned about the additional harm we are doing to our economy. We're not "all supposed to get it eventually" that's the whole point of lockdowns distancing masks the vaccine etc. And when you say nonsense like "there are far more dangerous things we don't freak out about" I would expect you to be able to list something. 2% of the population getting infected is a very big deal. Coming up on 200k deaths is a very big deal. The impact on the economy is absolutely something that needs to be considered but being cavalier about something that has killed more Americans than have died in every single war from Korea on...combined...by nearly by a factor of 2, is completely asinine.
August 28, 20206 yr 18 minutes ago, Green Dog said: Yeah, that was a little extreme. Estimates ranged from around 50-65% of the country wary in. 6 months in and we are not even at 2%.
August 28, 20206 yr Just now, Tnt4philly said: Yeah, that was a little extreme. Estimates ranged from around 50-65% of the country wary in. 6 months in and we are not even at 2%. Where are you getting that figure from? Based on if we did nothing and just let it wash over the country? And if 50-65% of the country got it the death toll and economic impact would have been absolutely horrifying.
August 28, 20206 yr Crowd on WH lawn massive. No masks, chairs jammed together. Not following any guidelines. People likely are from all over. Likely haven't been tested. These are Trump voters. Morons.
August 28, 20206 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: Where are you getting that figure from? Based on if we did nothing and just let it wash over the country? And if 50-65% of the country got it the death toll and economic impact would have been absolutely horrifying. Those were estimates being thrown around back in March. I never said we should do nothing. The shutdowns do not account for the actual infection rate being much lower than the estimates.
August 28, 20206 yr Just now, Tnt4philly said: Those were estimates being thrown around back in March. I never said we should do nothing. The shutdowns do not account for the actual infection rate being much lower than the estimates. Thrown out from where? I don't remember seeing those numbers at all so you're gonna have to provide a source. And yes shutdowns absolutely account for decreased infection rates where the hell are you pulling that from? It's not a coincidence that the countries that were isolated, shut down, had strict masking policies and high populace compliance have lower infection rates.
August 28, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Thrown out from where? I don't remember seeing those numbers at all so you're gonna have to provide a source. And yes shutdowns absolutely account for decreased infection rates where the hell are you pulling that from? It's not a coincidence that the countries that were isolated, shut down, had strict masking policies and high populace compliance have lower infection rates. https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-work-mounting-evidence-says-no
August 28, 20206 yr 3 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-work-mounting-evidence-says-no Pure drivel. Also, do better than the top 3 Google search results when you're scrambling for nonsense. Googled "do lockdowns work?".... ffs...
August 28, 20206 yr 8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Thrown out from where? I don't remember seeing those numbers at all so you're gonna have to provide a source. And yes shutdowns absolutely account for decreased infection rates where the hell are you pulling that from? It's not a coincidence that the countries that were isolated, shut down, had strict masking policies and high populace compliance have lower infection rates. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.amp.html Quote Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
August 28, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, Green Dog said: Pure drivel. Also, do better than the top 3 Google search results when you're scrambling for nonsense. Googled "do lockdowns work?".... ffs... I’m aware there is contradicting data. I’m not trying to make your case for you. What exactly about the mises article did they get wrong? It’s long, but you must have read it right?
August 28, 20206 yr 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-work-mounting-evidence-says-no TNT, come on. Do you really need an article to tell you that staying away from other people stops the spread of a virus?
August 28, 20206 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: TNT, come on. Do you really need an article to tell you that staying away from other people stops the spread of a virus? Staying away from other people and lock downs are two different things.
August 28, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Staying away from other people and lock downs are two different things. They kind of are though.
August 28, 20206 yr 17 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-work-mounting-evidence-says-no Quote Mises Wire offers contemporary news and opinion through the lens of Austrian economics and libertarian political economy. C'mon man enough with this libertarian news source nonsense. Use some common sense, and maybe Google Scholar. This is with like 2 minutes of searching: https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/27/3/taaa037/5808003 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25827 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32498655/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32413914/ 10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.amp.html Later in that article: Quote "When people change their behavior," said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, "those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. "There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.” And the name of the article is literally "Worst-Case Estimates for US Coronavirus Deaths". So you're looking at models based on the worst case scenario of the disease spread and if the US and rest of the world did nothing to prevent spread. Again man stop it with this.
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