1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

It's the same conspiracy theory which states that people don't die from HIV/AIDS.  Which is sort of true but what happens is that when you have HIV/AIDS it makes it much easier to die from other conditions, like pneumonia, etc. (If you’re not treated for HIV first).

 Same  thing seems to be occurring with COVID. 

Exactly.  There are going to be some situations where someone does die from something else while they have COVID and where COVID isn't a significant contributor but I'd guess in most of the cases COVID will be front and center.  It does get trickier though if you start to look at cases where a person is going to die anyway from other causes, e.g. terminal cancer, in say the next 12 months but then dies 9 months earlier due to COVID or COVID complications.  Those types of scenarios are actually quite common as well and nearly impossible to place in terms of the value of those extra 9 months vs. other items of value in society.  I don't think most people are ready to discuss that yet but given time it will be discussed at length.

That's interesting and complicated at the same time.  Had Mr. Di been positive for covid I wonder if it would it have been listed as immediate cause, or secondary.  If it was secondary is this still being counted as a covid death?  I guess it would be if you're looking at excess deaths during this time.  Anyway, I'm glad he was negative upon entry into the ER and it is no where, never mentioned on his reports, and definitely not on his death certificate.,

19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Exactly.  There are going to be some situations where someone does die from something else while they have COVID and where COVID isn't a significant contributor but I'd guess in most of the cases COVID will be front and center.  It does get trickier though if you start to look at cases where a person is going to die anyway from other causes, e.g. terminal cancer, in say the next 12 months but then dies 9 months earlier due to COVID or COVID complications.  Those types of scenarios are actually quite common as well and nearly impossible to place in terms of the value of those extra 9 months vs. other items of value in society.  I don't think most people are ready to discuss that yet but given time it will be discussed at length.

It's also no different than any other illness that someone with terminal cancer can get.  No different than someone with terminal cancer who catches the flu, pneumonia, has a heart attack, etc...So it's a completely irrelevant point.  It's like some people have it in their mind that this type of situation ONLY happens with COVID.  

 

COVID-19 'long hauler' shares struggle with long-lasting effects

https://www.kezi.com/content/news/Long-Hauler-talks-troubles-of-long-lasting-COVID-effects--572233861.html

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This virus will infect given the opportunity. It doesn’t care who you’re voting for. It doesn’t care how old you are. Many on my Facebook feed think that the death rate from this virus should dictate policy. A very myopic point of view from my experience. This virus also disables people . They are called the long haulers and any age is affected. My daughter was top in her conference in the 800m and cross country at her college last year. Now 7 weeks later, after a 3 day stay in the Covid unit she still can’t walk across the room without discomfort. 7 weeks and not well. She’s a healthy collegiate runner who now can’t walk across a room, so if you think it’s just a cold or kids get over it easily then you are fooling yourself. This virus does not care and we have no cure. So stay safe, keep your kids safe and stop saying that it’s fear that is why people wear masks or social distancing. It’s not fear, it’s factual .

A quote from her mother, Christy Clemens Hakala

 

so does that mean ~700 people are positive? or are a bunch of those people taking tests multiple times and coming up positive multiple times?

if they're testing more broadly than the CDC it stands to reason the positive cases would be lower. I think this shows a reasonable of what the positive test rate would be if we were randomly testing the population. 

20 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

 

MN wins!   

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/first-covid-19-death-linked-to-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-reported-in-minnesota/ar-BB18DPOM?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

My favorite punching bag just went Rocky IV on us

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Vikings QB Kirk Cousins on coronavirus: 'If I die, I die'

Kirk Cousins said he is taking a "survival of the fittest" personal approach to the coronavirus, even if it kills him.

"If I die, I die," the Minnesota Vikings quarterback said during a recent interview on Spotify's "10 Questions With Kyle Brandt" podcast. "I kind of have peace about that."

 

Cousins indicated during the interview, published Wednesday, that he does not believe face masks work in helping to prevent the spread of COVID-19, but he repeatedly said that he also tried to respect others' "concerns" about the virus.

Brandt asked Cousins to rate his level of concern over contracting the virus on a 1-10 scale, with 1 being "the person who says, 'Masks are stupid, you're all a bunch of lemmings,' and 10 is, 'I'm not leaving my master bathroom for the next 10 years.'"

Cousins replied: "I'm not gonna call anybody stupid, for the trouble it would get me in. But I'm about a .000001."

When asked to elaborate on that answer, Cousins said:

"I want to respect what other people's concerns are. For me personally, just talking no one else can get the virus, what is your concern if you could get it, I would say I'm gonna go about my daily life. If I get it, I'm gonna ride it out. I'm gonna let nature do its course. Survival-of-the-fittest kind of approach. And just say, if it knocks me out, it knocks me out. I'm going to be OK. You know, even if I die. If I die, I die. I kind of have peace about that."

Cousins continued to say that for him, wearing a mask "is really about being respectful to other people.

"It really has nothing do with my own personal thoughts," he said.

Earlier during the podcast, Cousins was asked what the general reaction would be if a teammate sneezed while in the huddle.

"I even think within the building, there's gonna be a dichotomy of people who couldn't care less about the virus, have no concern about it, have never lost a minute of sleep about it," he said. "And then you get people on the other side of the spectrum who, every second of every day, they're consumed with fear about it.

"What you don't know is who's where on the spectrum when you first go back."

Cousins appeared on a Zoom call Wednesday afternoon and said that the interview for the podcast was taped in July. He didn't dismiss his comments but did say that he "wasn't as clear as he would have liked to have been" and what he would "echo again now while the virus has not given me a great amount of personal fear, there's still great reason for me to wear a mask, practice social distancing, wash my hands."

The NFL has updated its game-day protocols by requiring every coach and staff member in the bench area to wear a mask and reducing the size of each team's travel party.

The league and the NFL Players Association announced Tuesday that 10 players and other team personnel tested positive for the virus during the league's latest testing period of Aug. 21-29.

According to the data, 8,739 players and personnel were given 58,621 tests during the Aug. 21-29 time period. That included 23,279 tests to 2,747 players and 35,342 to 5,992 personnel.

 

Edit: Looks like tool beat me to it

  

6 hours ago, toolg said:

News that isn't a surprise: Kirk Cousins is a nitwit.

 

 

Awful, disgusting hypocrites:

 

4 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

It's also no different than any other illness that someone with terminal cancer can get.  No different than someone with terminal cancer who catches the flu, pneumonia, has a heart attack, etc...So it's a completely irrelevant point.  It's like some people have it in their mind that this type of situation ONLY happens with COVID.  

It is isn't irrelevant at all. Any proper medical diagnosis would include all relevant facts as they pertained to the patient.  It's all basic 101 type stuff.  The issue isn't medical but rather ethical or moral.  Related perhaps but also very very different.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Exactly.  There are going to be some situations where someone does die from something else while they have COVID and where COVID isn't a significant contributor but I'd guess in most of the cases COVID will be front and center.  It does get trickier though if you start to look at cases where a person is going to die anyway from other causes, e.g. terminal cancer, in say the next 12 months but then dies 9 months earlier due to COVID or COVID complications.  Those types of scenarios are actually quite common as well and nearly impossible to place in terms of the value of those extra 9 months vs. other items of value in society.  I don't think most people are ready to discuss that yet but given time it will be discussed at length.

Fuzzy math

4 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

It's also no different than any other illness that someone with terminal cancer can get.  No different than someone with terminal cancer who catches the flu, pneumonia, has a heart attack, etc...So it's a completely irrelevant point.  It's like some people have it in their mind that this type of situation ONLY happens with COVID.  

Agreed

2 hours ago, paco said:

My favorite punching bag just went Rocky IV on us

  

 

So it appears Cousins updated his comments:

The old, "I said it, but what I really meant to say...” excuse. 

16 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Fuzzy math

Yeah, that and fuzzy logic

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah, that and fuzzy logic

Phillyterp85 knows what he’s talking about.  You should read his posts.

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Phillyterp85 knows what he’s talking about.  You should read his posts.

I read all of them.  He's very good.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

It is isn't irrelevant at all. Any proper medical diagnosis would include all relevant facts as they pertained to the patient.  It's all basic 101 type stuff.  The issue isn't medical but rather ethical or moral.  Related perhaps but also very very different.

It is irrelevant because it's no different than anyone with a terminal illness who suffers a separate fatal illness. It seems like the very people who claim to want COVID to be recorded and documented no different than any other illness, actually DO want it documented differently. 

Someone goes, "Wait, if a person has terminal cancer is going to die anyway, and then gets COVID and that kills them.  That's listed as a COVID death!! It's a scam!!!"   Yeah, that's no different than someone with terminal cancer who suffers a fatal heart attack and dies.  So let's call up the AHA and tell them they're fudging their numbers because there are people out there who die of heart attacks who were already on their death bed. 

For the record I'm not saying you are doing this.  I have run into this line of thinking from other people. 

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

Awful, disgusting hypocrites:

 

Holy sh-t the brass ones on her.  Wow...............

23 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I read all of them.  He's very good.

Well thank you good sir, much appreciated.  You're good peeps as well! 

30 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Holy sh-t the brass ones on her.  Wow...............

I mean, that’s pretty messed up for that business to film her without the mask and then give it to the press. Not a great look for that business regardless if you feel like she’s a hypocrite or not.

54 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I mean, that’s pretty messed up for that business to film her without the mask and then give it to the press. Not a great look for that business regardless if you feel like she’s a hypocrite or not.

It's messed up for the salon owner to have up security cameras and catch Pelosi on film going about her business?

1 minute ago, xzmattzx said:

It's messed up for the salon owner to have up security cameras and catch Pelosi on film going about her business?

It seems kinda shady to give it to media.  Usually customers expect a company they patronize to protect their privacy.  Am I wrong?

12 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

im surprised you have time to post here after getting your trump fleshlight. . 

It's a message board. You had 12 hours at this point to reconsider this weak ***ed response of yours. 

 

14 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Trump laughs at his supporters dying and creates events to kill more of you. Luckily, his supporters make sheep look like Einstein.

They actually think a man who would have them arrested if they tried to get into one of his properties cares about them or America.

And what is it you're backing Toast? 

 

20 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Conservatives (including in CVON) look up to her as one of the intellectuals of the Republican party.

<groan>

I don't look up to intellectuals of any ideology. Those that proclaim themselves as "intellectuals" are usually the worst of us.