September 4, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Because that’s when we started having COVID deaths. COVID was not running unchecked in the US since December. Had that been the case, then the surge in hospitalizations and ICU admissions seen in March/April would have been seen MUCH earlier. I think it was here that long. The first confirmed case in China was on December 1. There were no restrictions internally and abroad all through December and January. How likely is it there there was absolutely no one that brought the coronavirus from China to the US via the thousands of flight between the countries in December and January?
September 4, 20205 yr Weekly update from Sweden. Nothing of specific interest to report. Trends and stats continue down. The little bump in the 1st half of August looks pretty clear now as a tiny bump. The R-number is hovering just about at 1 since early August after going slightly above and then dipping down under. Confirmed cases are now down under 20 per 100k people over the last couple of weeks. US now has 577 deaths per 1M people. That is exactly the same as Sweden. This is the 1st time the US number has reached parity with Sweden and the US will now zoom past. By comparison New Zealand has 5 per 1M. Over 90% of all deaths in Sweden were people over 70 years of age. 45% were in nursing homes (the really big fail by Sweden). The mortality rate has been below the average now for several weeks.
September 4, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Over 90% of all deaths in Sweden were people over 70 years of age. 45% were in nursing homes (the really big fail by Sweden). Let's face it, most places/nations failed miserably when it came to long-term care facilities throughout the pandemic. It was no different here in Canada too. Any time you have a number of high-risk people living in close proximity it's a bit of a recipe for disaster. When my grandma was in a home they were constantly fighting influenza/gastro outbreaks and shutting down outside visits for days/weeks at a time. It's no wonder why COVID ran rampant in these environments. It still brings the standard/quality of care into question though which I expect to have unflattering results upon review.
September 4, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Let's face it, most places/nations failed miserably when it came to long-term care facilities throughout the pandemic. It was no different here in Canada too. Any time you have a number of high-risk people living in close proximity it's a bit of a recipe for disaster. When my grandma was in a home they were constantly fighting influenza/gastro outbreaks and shutting down outside visits for days/weeks at a time. It's no wonder why COVID ran rampant in these environments. It still brings the standard/quality of care into question though which I expect to have unflattering results upon review. Agreed
September 5, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: From 2/1 to 8/1 there have been 210,000 excess deaths in this country. During that same time period, the "official" COVID death count was 158,000. The "official" COVID death count is an undercount, not an overcount. 16 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: If they caught COVID and it killed them, then that's what killed them. I mean, what do you want medical professionals to lie about what killed someone if they are past a certain age? How is that any different from a 100-year old person having a heart attack and dying? Better call up the AHA and tell them they're fudging the numbers! 14 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: Oh you mean the motorcycle fatality that was then removed from the count upon review of the records. Again, from 2/1 to 8/1 there have been 210,000 EXCESS deaths in this country. The official COVID death total during that time is 158,000. Have there been some deaths misattributed to COVID? I’m sure there may have been. Have there been waaaay more deaths due to COVID that we’re misattributed to other causes? It absolutely looks that way. 11 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: Because that’s when we started having COVID deaths. COVID was not running unchecked in the US since December. Had that been the case, then the surge in hospitalizations and ICU admissions seen in March/April would have been seen MUCH earlier. Yeoman’s work.
September 5, 20205 yr If Army and Navy feel good about trotting their football teams out then college football should be a go
September 5, 20205 yr On 9/4/2020 at 7:12 AM, Seventy_Yard_FG said: One caught COVID 3 months before they died, they got better, and then the person died. COVID? Nobody honestly knows Another guy died in a motorcycle accident in Florida earlier this year. They said it was COVID just because he happened to have COVID while the accident took place Yes we do know because there is a littl e stat called "expected deaths" that the CDC tracks. They have the estimated extra deaths in the US at 185-220k since March 1st. This is going to be the saddest part of the entire pandemic and we know it will happen because Trump already did this post-Maria in Puerto Rico. he is going to try to magically deny and disappear 250k dead Americans. Anybody who tries to help him do it is a straight up villain.
September 5, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Yes we do know because there is a littl e stat called "expected deaths" that the CDC tracks. They have the estimated extra deaths in the US at 185-220k since March 1st. This is going to be the saddest part of the entire pandemic and we know it will happen because Trump already did this post-Maria in Puerto Rico. he is going to try to magically deny and disappear 250k dead Americans. Anybody who tries to help him do it is a straight up villain. How many of those extra deaths are heart attacks from increased stress, suicides, or worse, BLM murders
September 5, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: How many of those extra deaths are heart attacks from increased stress, suicides, or worse, BLM murders How many less deaths did we get from auto accidents? When you add and subtract and account for variance there is still ZERO possible way to disappear 250k EXTRA dead over an 8 month span. Anybody trying really, really hard to do so to make Trump look less bad is as i said, a VILLAIN.
September 5, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: How many less deaths did we get from auto accidents? When you add and subtract and account for variance there is still ZERO possible way to disappear 250k EXTRA dead over an 8 month span. Anybody trying really, really hard to do so to make Trump look less bad is as i said, a VILLAIN. Not willing to let you gaslight people with the math you just think you can do in your head were at about a 1985 death rate this year That could easily be attributed to increased stress, heart attacks, suicides, and people not seeking medical treatment for their normal stuff simply because the hospital is not taking them or they’re just irrationally afraid of the rona
September 5, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: How many less deaths did we get from auto accidents? When you add and subtract and account for variance there is still ZERO possible way to disappear 250k EXTRA dead over an 8 month span. Anybody trying really, really hard to do so to make Trump look less bad is as i said, a VILLAIN. It couldn’t have taken away more than 35k deaths.
September 5, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: That could easily be attributed to increased stress, heart attacks, suicides, and people not seeking medical treatment for their normal stuff simply because the hospital is not taking them or they’re just irrationally afraid of the rona Shame on you and God have mercy on your soul brother. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html This is through August using CDc's stats. Excess mortality is ABOVE the official COVID deaths, which is where you could possibly account for the overdoses or people shunning hospitals.
September 5, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: Shame on you and God have mercy on your soul brother. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html This is through August using CDc's stats. Excess mortality is ABOVE the official COVID deaths, which is where you could possibly account for the overdoses or people shunning hospitals. I just showed you a chart where I’m not disputing the death rate has gone up this year. the question is why, and these lockdowns the Democrats are urging I suspect is what’s doing the most damage to our health
September 5, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Shame on you and God have mercy on your soul brother. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html This is through August using CDc's stats. Excess mortality is ABOVE the official COVID deaths, which is where you could possibly account for the overdoses or people shunning hospitals. Remember when the experts said we shouldn’t wear masks? Or that Hillary would win easily? Or there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
September 5, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Remember when the experts said we shouldn’t wear masks? Or that Hillary would win easily? Or there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? All of those problems in the calculation iron out when you have 8 months of data and that's what we will have by Election Day. You wanna warm up the magic trick disapearing act for Dear Leader and I'm telling you I see you behind the curtain. Shame on you brother. Those are fellow americans that are dead and dying.
September 5, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I just showed you a chart where I’m not disputing the death rate has gone up this year. the question is why, and these lockdowns the Democrats are urging I suspect is what’s doing the most damage to our health Why are there excess deaths? Hmmmmm could it be that there’s a pandemic sweeping through our country that has killed AT LEAST 185,000 people? Gee I wonder if that has something to do with it....... Are there excess deaths also occurring due to dread risk of people avoiding going to the hospital for something they otherwise would have gone for? Yes. Are there excess deaths due to suicide and drug overdose as a result of the economy and just related to the stress of what’s currently going on? Sure. And that definitely plays into why excess deaths numbers of 30% ABOVE the "official” covid death count.
September 5, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: All of those problems in the calculation iron out when you have 8 months of data and that's what we will have by Election Day. You wanna warm up the magic trick disapearing act for Dear Leader and I'm telling you I see you behind the curtain. Shame on you brother. Those are fellow americans that are dead and dying. If you admit the data can’t be validated until Election Day, then why does your Rhetoric reflect a belief that you’re already correct?
September 5, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Why are there excess deaths? Hmmmmm could it be that there’s a pandemic sweeping through our country that has killed AT LEAST 185,000 people? Gee I wonder if that has something to do with it....... Are there excess deaths also occurring due to dread risk of people avoiding going to the hospital for something they otherwise would have gone for? Yes. Are there excess deaths due to suicide and drug overdose as a result of the economy and just related to the stress of what’s currently going on? Sure. And that definitely plays into why excess deaths numbers of 30% ABOVE the "official” covid death count. If you admit these are possibly affecting the numbers, rather than simply asserting that you know the correct answer with very little evidence and not a whole lot of research beyond checking in with your daily dose of mainstream media, the only real productive thing you could add to this conversation would be some kind of actual evidence of something, which I don’t see you doing
September 5, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: If you admit the data can’t be validated until Election Day, then why does your Rhetoric reflect a belief that you’re already correct? We already have 6 months of data which is PLENTY enough time for the info to be valid and fairly accurate. I''m just telling you that when we hot the 8 month mark it is going to be EVEN MORE accurate. BTW, did you try to sneak in the dozen or so BLM related deaths as a vaild argument for the 200k death spike? Are you f'ing nuts!?
September 5, 20205 yr https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/coronavirus-excess-deaths-heart/
September 5, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: We already have 6 months of data which is PLENTY enough time for the info to be valid and fairly accurate. I''m just telling you that when we hot the 8 month mark it is going to be EVEN MORE accurate. BTW, did you try to sneak in the dozen or so BLM related deaths as a vaild argument for the 200k death spike? Are you f'ing nuts!? I didn’t sneak it in. I guess by your logic in data analysis once all of the in person votes are counted on election night, we needn’t bother waiting to count the mail in ballots
September 5, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: If you admit these are possibly affecting the numbers, rather than simply asserting that you know the correct answer with very little evidence and not a whole lot of research beyond checking in with your daily dose of mainstream media, the only real productive thing you could add to this conversation would be some kind of actual evidence of something, which I don’t see you doing I don’t pay a LICK of attention to the mainstream media when it comes to COVID. And what do you mean that these are "possibly affecting the numbers”? I’m not sure what you are talking about. The excess mortality in this country has been 30% ABOVE the "official” COVID death count. The leads to the likely scenario that the "official” COVID death count is an undercount. And lol at you accusing me of not providing anything productive to the COVID conversation. Unreal....... Since this thing began, I’ve been passing along the daily/weekly updates from my father who’s been working at a hospital in NYC since this pandemic began. If you haven’t been reading them, then that’s on you.
September 5, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: I don’t pay a LICK of attention to the mainstream media when it comes to COVID. And what do you mean that these are "possibly affecting the numbers”? I’m not sure what you are talking about. The excess mortality in this country has been 30% ABOVE the "official” COVID death count. The leads to the likely scenario that the "official” COVID death count is an undercount. And lol at you accusing me of not providing anything productive to the COVID conversation. Unreal....... Since this thing began, I’ve been passing along the daily/weekly updates from my father who’s been working at a hospital in NYC since this pandemic began. If you haven’t been reading them, then that’s on you. It doesn’t logically follow that your assertion is more likely at all. How do you figure?
September 5, 20205 yr And is anecdotal evidence from the state that intentionally confined people in nursing homes with the pandemic really a better look at the big picture than anyone else has?
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