Wait a minute?!?!  He wants WWII veteran to sacrifice themselves AGAIN so that he doesn’t have to wear a mask a day after one of his personal valets tested positive????? WTF???

 

7 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said:

I don’t have a clue who this guy is but he’s had a not great take here. He’s getting ratioed to death. 

Why would you walk around a department store to get an item you can buy online and have shipped to your house? I mean, he is on Twitter; surely he must have a device enabled for online shopping.

7 hours ago, toolg said:

Why would you walk around a department store to get an item you can buy online and have shipped to your house? I mean, he is on Twitter; surely he must have a device enabled for online shopping.

Is it against the law to buy appliances in stores now?

 

 

7 hours ago, Smokesdawg said:

I don’t have a clue who this guy is but he’s had a not great take here. He’s getting ratioed to death. 

 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1258916709177516033.html

 

 

 

Trump’s thinking is now trickling down to local county governments.  At least three counties in central PA are taking themselves to Yellow without government approval. 
To be honest, like everything else trump, I’m thinking that this comment from yesterday had something to do with it 

Yeah I'm sure Trump's comment had something to do with it.

That said, I also think many of the counties that are in the 'red' zone are probably ok to move to 'yellow' with the caveat that cities and towns in those largely rural counties should consider their own policies.

1 hour ago, Perforator said:

Is it against the law to buy appliances in stores now?

 

I hope not

1 hour ago, Perforator said:

Is it against the law to buy appliances in stores now?

 

Give it time...

Woodstock Occured in a Pandemic

This is fact checked by Reuters and a very interesting look at the difference in how a global pandemic was handled in the 60’s versus today. 

Doing takeout brunch complete with takeout Bellini kits this morning.  Hope takeout cocktails are still a thing once this all blows over. 

 

1 hour ago, sameaglesfan said:

Give it time...

"muh rights.. to buy a toaster.. without a mask during a pandemic...."

Next the govt is going to infringe on my rights by requiring I drive on only one side of the road.

True Patriots don't let govt* tell them what to do, right!

 

* or private companies who institute sensible policies to help keep their employees and customers as safe as possible

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Woodstock Occured in a Pandemic

This is fact checked by Reuters and a very interesting look at the difference in how a global pandemic was handled in the 60’s versus today. 

The Rona ain’t the flu though.  Does the flu make your lungs all soggy until you can’t breathe??

18 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"muh rights.. to buy a toaster.. without a mask during a pandemic...."

Next the govt is going to infringe on my rights by requiring I drive on only one side of the road.

True Patriots don't let govt* tell them what to do, right!

 

* or private companies who institute sensible policies to help keep their employees and customers as safe as possible

My dad keeps pissing and moaning about his freedoms being taken from him by having to wear a mask in the grocery store ..... There is no loss of his freedoms he can do whatever the hell he wants and not wear a mask just like the store can exercise their rights to refuse service to anyone not wearing one. 

I absolutely love hearing people ****ing to me ( I work in a grocery store ) about wearing a mask for 5 minutes in the store when I'm there 8-10 hrs a day with a mask on because of those same freaking people. People are so effing selfish it's unreal

Just now, Dave Moss said:

The Rona ain’t the flu though.  Does the flu make your lungs all soggy until you can’t breathe??

Also there is 100's reasons why it was handled differently 52 years ago. I think it's ridiculous to even try to compare this to what it was like then

33 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The Rona ain’t the flu though.  Does the flu make your lungs all soggy until you can’t breathe??

Did we quarantine the healthy?

31 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Also there is 100's reasons why it was handled differently 52 years ago. I think it's ridiculous to even try to compare this to what it was like then

Yep we didn’t have a 24/7 news cycle, and we didn’t quarantine the low risk and healthy folks. 

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Woodstock Occured in a Pandemic

This is fact checked by Reuters and a very interesting look at the difference in how a global pandemic was handled in the 60’s versus today. 

The "Hong Kong Flu" from the 1968-69 pandemic was a close-enough relative of the strain that caused a 1957 Asian Flu pandemic that killed over a million worldwide that the population had a reasonable amount of immunity and antibodies to fight the virus. This kept the outbreaks from getting too out of hand.

International travel in the late 60s was far less than it is now, so its introduction to the US was MUCH slower than what we've been dealing with today.  It actually allowed for the production of a vaccine to help stop the spread much earlier: https://www.history.com/news/1957-flu-pandemic-vaccine-hilleman

The same vaccine, because the "Hong Kong Flu" was a close variant, was fairly effective a decade later: https://www.biospace.com/article/the-1968-pandemic-strain-h3n2-persists-will-covid-19-/

The short of it is: the flu pandemics of the mid-20th century moved much slower because international travel was uncommon, allowing the medical community (much of it at Walter Reed it appears) to develop a vaccine in time to much better manage its spread. The 68/69 pandemic (during Woodstock) in particular benefited from the vaccine and close relation of that variant to the '58/59 flu.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The "Hong Kong Flu" from the 1968-69 pandemic was a close-enough relative of the strain that caused a 1957 Asian Flu pandemic that killed over a million worldwide that the population had a reasonable amount of immunity and antibodies to fight the virus. This kept the outbreaks from getting too out of hand.

International travel in the late 60s was far less than it is now, so its introduction to the US was MUCH slower than what we've been dealing with today.  It actually allowed for the production of a vaccine to help stop the spread much earlier: https://www.history.com/news/1957-flu-pandemic-vaccine-hilleman

The same vaccine, because the "Hong Kong Flu" was a close variant, was fairly effective a decade later: https://www.biospace.com/article/the-1968-pandemic-strain-h3n2-persists-will-covid-19-/

The short of it is: the flu pandemics of the mid-20th century moved much slower because international travel was uncommon, allowing the medical community (much of it at Walter Reed it appears) to develop a vaccine in time to much better manage its spread. The 68/69 pandemic (during Woodstock) in particular benefited from the vaccine and close relation of that variant to the '58/59 flu.

So then I guess early travel bans were the right call. 

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Woodstock Occured in a Pandemic

This is fact checked by Reuters and a very interesting look at the difference in how a global pandemic was handled in the 60’s versus today. 

The 1968 influenza does not have the same mortality that COVID-19 has.   It was caused by a strain of Influenza A virus that we still see today in seasonal influenza.  
 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

So then I guess early travel bans were the right call. 

Two things about that.

First, because of the long-ish incubation period of this virus, screening processes - especially early on - missed a lot of likely carriers. They couldn't have known this at the time, but that's the reality.

Second, the US travel ban wasn't "early". It was probably too late, frankly. But I don't condemn Trump/etc. for that, the information at the time was sparse. But it's definitely incorrect to characterize the travel ban as 'early'. It was roughly in the middle of when various nations were beginning to ban travel from China, and unfortunately many of those were porous "bans" as well.

To reiterate, I do not place a ton of blame on this president for moving too slowly early on. Many nations did for a variety of reasons: 

• China was doing their cover-up thing about how bad this thing was getting. And they're damn good at cover-ups.
• Many carriers of the virus are asymptomatic, making it very difficult to effectively seal off transmission across borders short of complete and total lockdown, which nobody advocated (and probably would have been too late anyway)
• The symptoms of this can be readily confused with many other illnesses such as the flu, and most cases are mild or at least manageable without medical intervention. 

My issue with the president and this administration is how it's been handled SINCE then. The answer to that is: poorly.

Lack of support for scaling up testing so that outbreaks can be identified and contact tracing could actually be put into play is the biggest IMHO. But also not being frank with the American public about this, and being a piss-poor leader during a crisis. 

Wolf is going the other way unfortunately, being overly careful/conservative in opening things up in a more reasonable way. He really needs to re-assess things and empower some local regions to make their own decisions in these cases, and to *gasp* trust people to take this seriously.

What is interesting about reading about the two pandemics in the mid 20th, and some of the earlier reporting about the travel ban, is that many public health officials were advocating for what we really needed: clear communication from the government about the severity of this, guidelines for how to manage it (masks, washing hands, etc.), and prudent use of authority for things like sheltering in place and quarantining populations. 

For areas that are hit hard and epicenters of the outbreak like NYC, that probably doesn't change much from what was and is happening. Sheltering in place, shutting down public transportation, that sort of thing is what NYC needs.

It means better management of nursing home and long-term care facilities with high-risk patients. Those facilities didn't receive the guidance and support they really needed. 

What we needed was a president working effectively with state and local leadership. Instead what we got was a narcissist who wanted to do the absolute minimum, take no responsibility, to get into pissing matches with governors of the hardest hit states, and hoped to market his way out of this problem. 

Just my $.02 on this.

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

The 1968 influenza does not have the same mortality that COVID-19 has.   It was caused by a strain of Influenza A virus that we still see today in seasonal influenza.  
 

Hits the elderly and sick harder just like Covid. Time to stop quarantining the healthy and young. Nobody will be forced to leave their house if they feel they’re too old, susceptible, scared, unhealthy, etc. But those of who don’t feel that way shouldn’t be forced to stay in either. 

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Hits the elderly and sick harder just like Covid. Time to stop quarantining the healthy and young. Nobody will be forced to leave their house if they feel they’re too old, susceptible, scared, unhealthy, etc. But those of who don’t feel that way shouldn’t be forced to stay in either. 

If we had a vaccine for COVID-19, or a close enough variant that it was at least somewhat effective like what we saw in 1968, we wouldn't be taking the steps we are.

Again, that said, I don't see a lot of people here advocating for continued shelter-in-place in PA as broadly as it's being administered. There are definitely areas that we still need to have it, but I think a lot of people here think some enforced compliance measures could be lifted in favor of a combination of voluntary guidelines and mandated practices for public businesses* in many areas now that we're 2 months in to this thing and most people have been both educated on best practices, and that masks are more generally available.

* i.e. support for businesses to enforce things like masks, one-way aisles, and other affronts to freedom in the minds of entitled right-wing self-styled "Patriots"

8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

If we had a vaccine for COVID-19, or a close enough variant that it was at least somewhat effective like what we saw in 1968, we wouldn't be taking the steps we are.

Again, that said, I don't see a lot of people here advocating for continued shelter-in-place in PA as broadly as it's being administered. There are definitely areas that we still need to have it, but I think a lot of people here think some enforced compliance measures could be lifted in favor of a combination of voluntary guidelines and mandated practices for public businesses* in many areas now that we're 2 months in to this thing and most people have been both educated on best practices, and that masks are more generally available.

* i.e. support for businesses to enforce things like masks, one-way aisles, and other affronts to freedom in the minds of entitled right-wing self-styled "Patriots"

Yeah I’m in that group of people who think we should reopen and follow CDC guidelines. I mean honestly I don’t believe the masks actually do anything but I don’t care about wearing one. The one way aisles however are ridiculous as nobody follows them.