1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Do your jeans keep in a fart?  A virus is much smaller than your ish smell. 

For a guy talking about how there are very few people here that you consider to be intelligent, this post sure explains why. Almost everyone here is smarter than you. 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Now you’re comparing an odor to the release of particles, which means absolutely nothing.  If you poop in your bathroom, and it’s a bad enough smelling one, someone can probably smell it if they are standing outside of the bathroom.  That doesn’t mean that they now have poop particles on them.

When I do a chili in the crockpot, I can smell it as soon as I get in the door.  That doesn’t mean that i now have chili particles on me.  

You’re way more patient than I am. This response was far more than his asinine point deserved. 

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Wrong. 
 

https://askabiologist.asu.edu/explore/sense-smell

The stupid... it burns

28 minutes ago, Gannan said:

The stupid... it burns

Old board, new board, you’re still a pompous piece of ish who fancies himself some kind of genius. 
 

He claimed smells aren’t particulate. They are.

4 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

She makes what i found to be solid points and clearly claimed that not only is she not an antivac but her job was the  opposite if antIvac 

she also is imo very calm, knowledgable and believable.  As she mentioned we are talking trillions of dollars to be made getting people sick and scared.  And thats exactly where we are right now

 

another one i found

Her job was and she has said she isn't, but since then she has gone on to make some pretty outlandish claims about them including them being linked to "millions of deaths", has called  publically for them to be rolled back in kids and worldwide, and she has associated/coauthors with several prominent antivaxxers pushing BS autism narratives.

Her demeanor doesn't make her claims any more evidence based.  Pretty much most of the things she claims are pretty easily disproven (see the article @Mlodj posted). She takes small details of truth and makes truly outlandish conclusions from them, like because  hospitals are being paid to falsely boost COVID death numbers. This all coming from a woman who has been busted innumerable times lying about her role and research.  Her biggest (sole?) contribution to her field was a paper that pretty much immediately disproved and her methods questioned.  She makes batsheet crazy claims like she worked in a lab that "taught Ebola" how to infect humans...20 years after the first Ebola outbreak in Africa. There are so many examples beyond that but end of the day she has proven herself over and over to be FOS over the years.

As far as the profiteering off of all this...I mean I'm positive there are places that are taking advantage and making money but I just don't buy it as an overarching driving force.  This thing has been disastrous for hospital systems (they are bleeding money right now), politicians on both sides, markets, and so many businesses.  Pharma companies will make money off tests drugs (maybe) and eventually a vaccine, and big companies involved in various logistical capacities get a boost but I just don't see that money greasing remotely enough palms to overcome the crazy amount of losses the vast majority of people are taking.

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I’m talking about the people wearing a bandana around their face. Do your jeans keep in a fart?  A virus is much smaller than your ish smell. 

It's not about the size of a virus, it's about the size of the droplets from which it's spread. Smell molecules are on the scale of nanometers, sneeze/cough droplets on the scale of micrometers. 

I mean even just logistically you can see droplets when you sneeze.  I seriously hope you don't see brown mist floating about after you poo.

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

It's not about the size of a virus, it's about the size of the droplets from which it's spread. Smell molecules are on the scale of nanometers, sneeze/cough droplets on the scale of micrometers. 

I mean even just logistically you can see droplets when you sneeze.  I seriously hope you don't see brown mist floating about after you poo.

 will you please stop trying to have a logical argument with me? That’s not what I’m going for. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

 will you please stop trying to have a logical argument with me? That’s not what I’m going for. 

I'll be honest I thought of the Brown Mist part first and couldn't resist sharing the imagery.

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'll be honest I thought of the Brown Mist part first and couldn't resist sharing the imagery.

 Could you imagine?  The County Chili Cookoffs...you wouldn’t even be able to find your way back to your car. 

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Her job was and she has said she isn't, but since then she has gone on to make some pretty outlandish claims about them including them being linked to "millions of deaths", has called  publically for them to be rolled back in kids and worldwide, and she has associated/coauthors with several prominent antivaxxers pushing BS autism narratives.

Her demeanor doesn't make her claims any more evidence based.  Pretty much most of the things she claims are pretty easily disproven (see the article @Mlodj posted). She takes small details of truth and makes truly outlandish conclusions from them, like because  hospitals are being paid to falsely boost COVID death numbers. This all coming from a woman who has been busted innumerable times lying about her role and research.  Her biggest (sole?) contribution to her field was a paper that pretty much immediately disproved and her methods questioned.  She makes batsheet crazy claims like she worked in a lab that "taught Ebola" how to infect humans...20 years after the first Ebola outbreak in Africa. There are so many examples beyond that but end of the day she has proven herself over and over to be FOS over the years.

As far as the profiteering off of all this...I mean I'm positive there are places that are taking advantage and making money but I just don't buy it as an overarching driving force.  This thing has been disastrous for hospital systems (they are bleeding money right now), politicians on both sides, markets, and so many businesses.  Pharma companies will make money off tests drugs (maybe) and eventually a vaccine, and big companies involved in various logistical capacities get a boost but I just don't see that money greasing remotely enough palms to overcome the crazy amount of losses the vast majority of people are taking.

Just a coincidence that she released a 30 minute infomercial for a book she release on 4/15.  Some of her claims just make no sense:

Mikovits says:

The game is to prevent the therapies until everyone is infected, then push the vaccines.

What kind of grand master plan is that? Once everybody is infected, nobody needs a vaccine. On the flip side, if you had effective therapies now, literally everybody would buy them. If you were unleashing a virus as a get-rich-quick scheme, wouldn’t you start selling a drug ASAP?

There’s another thing, too, and it’s a flaw in all conspiracy theories: how do you get every pharma company and every world government in on the grift? How do you even get one government to put forth a united front on an issue?

The White House and the CDC can’t even agree on whether we need a coronavirus task force. And we’re supposed to believe that our government is not only acting according to a single plan, but also coordinating with multiple pharmaceutical companies, and acting in lockstep with every government worldwide?

Here you go:  https://vitals.lifehacker.com/if-you-found-that-plandemic-video-convincing-read-th-1843339002?fbclid=IwAR3sN56c_YdluKJBk3osi_vnlmTo20zF2LOGu35lOyKJEtN_qPcgYtcFoVA

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Old board, new board, you’re still a pompous piece of ish who fancies himself some kind of genius. 
 

He claimed smells aren’t particulate. They are.

As DEagle explained, odor molecules are far smaller than the droplets that transmit the virus.
I said just because you can smell something doesn’t mean you’ve been covered in the particles.  If you poop in the bathroom and don’t turn the fan on,  and if it’s a bad smelling one, I’ll be able to smell it from the kitchen.  That doesn’t mean I’m now coated in fecal matter.    That would mean if someone in your house has the stomach flu, then just the mere act of pooping in the bathroom would infect everyone else in the house who smells it from another room.  
If I make a chili in the crockpot, I can smell it from my garage when I come home, that doesn’t mean I now have chili particles on me while standing in the garage.

You said you don’t believe masks work, despite the decades worth of evidence that they do.

Oregon's stay-at-home order is to July 6.  Large gatherings in Oregon are banned through September.

 

53 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

As DEagle explained, odor molecules are far smaller than the droplets that transmit the virus.
I said just because you can smell something doesn’t mean you’ve been covered in the particles.  If you poop in the bathroom and don’t turn the fan on,  and if it’s a bad smelling one, I’ll be able to smell it from the kitchen.  That doesn’t mean I’m now coated in fecal matter.    That would mean if someone in your house has the stomach flu, then just the mere act of pooping in the bathroom would infect everyone else in the house who smells it from another room.  
If I make a chili in the crockpot, I can smell it from my garage when I come home, that doesn’t mean I now have chili particles on me while standing in the garage.

You said you don’t believe masks work, despite the decades worth of evidence that they do.

I should rephrase. I believe proper masks do. These bandanas, maxipads, birthday hats that people are wearing?  Cmon now. 

10 minutes ago, xzmattzx said:

Oregon's stay-at-home order is to July 6.  Large gatherings in Oregon are banned through September.

 

Good thing they’re not important enough for a football team. 

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Old board, new board, you’re still a pompous piece of ish who fancies himself some kind of genius. 
 

He claimed smells aren’t particulate. They are.

Not a genius. Just smarter than a guy who thinks his farts disprove epidemiologists with years of research under their belts. 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

As DEagle explained, odor molecules are far smaller than the droplets that transmit the virus.
I said just because you can smell something doesn’t mean you’ve been covered in the particles.  If you poop in the bathroom and don’t turn the fan on,  and if it’s a bad smelling one, I’ll be able to smell it from the kitchen.  That doesn’t mean I’m now coated in fecal matter.    That would mean if someone in your house has the stomach flu, then just the mere act of pooping in the bathroom would infect everyone else in the house who smells it from another room.  
If I make a chili in the crockpot, I can smell it from my garage when I come home, that doesn’t mean I now have chili particles on me while standing in the garage.

You said you don’t believe masks work, despite the decades worth of evidence that they do.

The fact that this needs to be explained is peak CVON

Naples Florida had to re-close any beach access because people cant follow simple rules of 6 feet distance. Those people will probably flock to Lee county beaches tomorrow. 
 

Florida is gonna be f’ed real soon 

1 hour ago, xzmattzx said:

Oregon's stay-at-home order is to July 6.  Large gatherings in Oregon are banned through September.

 

Mah FrEEdOMzzZZ!!1!!

 

You kinda forgot to add this part:  "The new order extends the state of emergency but also allows Brown to terminate it earlier than that if deemed appropriate."

25 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Not a genius. Just smarter than a guy who thinks his farts disprove epidemiologists with years of research under their belts. 

  all day bro. All day. 

Testing man... I don’t know...😂

 

LINK

U.S. approves new coronavirus antigen test with fast results

U.S. regulators have authorized a new type of coronavirus test that administration officials have promoted as a key to opening up the country.  The Food and Drug Administration on Saturday announced emergency authorization for antigen tests developed by Quidel Corp. of San Diego. The test can rapidly detect fragments of virus proteins in samples collected from swabs swiped inside the nasal cavity, the FDA said in a statement.  The antigen test is the third type of test to be authorized by the FDA.

Currently, the only way to diagnose active COVID-19 is to test a patient’s nasal swab for the genetic material of the virus. While considered highly accurate, the tests can take hours and require expensive, specialized equipment mainly found at commercial labs, hospitals or universities.  A second type looks in the blood for antibodies, the proteins produced by the body days or weeks after fighting an infection. Such tests are helpful for researchers to understand how far a disease has spread within a community, but they aren’t useful for diagnosing active infections.  Antigen tests can diagnose active infections by detecting the earliest toxic traces of the virus rather than genetic code of the virus itself.  The FDA said that it expects to authorize more antigen tests in the future.

Quidel said Saturday that the test can provide an accurate, automated result in 15 minutes. The FDA’s emergency authorization "allows us to arm our health care workers and first responders with a frontline solution for COVID-19 diagnosis, accelerating the time to diagnosis and potential treatment,” Douglas Bryant, CEO of Quidel, said in a statement.  The company said it specializes in testing for diseases and conditions including the flu and Lyme disease.  The U.S. has tried to ramp up testing using the genetic method, but the country’s daily testing tally has been stuck in the 200,000 to 250,000-per-day range for several weeks, falling far short of the millions of daily tests that most experts say are needed to reopen schools, businesses, churches and other institutions of daily life.  That’s led White House adviser Dr. Deborah Birx and other federal officials to call for a "breakthrough” in the antigen tests.  "There will never be the ability on a nucleic acid test to do 300 million tests a day or to test everybody before they go to work or to school, but there might be with the antigen test,” Birx told reporters last month.  Recently, the National Institutes of Health announced $1.5 billion in research grants aimed at fast-tracking the development of rapid, easy-to-use testing approaches — including antigen tests — by the fall.

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

I should rephrase. I believe proper masks do. These bandanas, maxipads, birthday hats that people are wearing?  Cmon now. 

Yes, surgical masks are obviously preferred.   A homemade face covering is still better than nothing 

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Her job was and she has said she isn't, but since then she has gone on to make some pretty outlandish claims about them including them being linked to "millions of deaths", has called  publically for them to be rolled back in kids and worldwide, and she has associated/coauthors with several prominent antivaxxers pushing BS autism narratives.

Her demeanor doesn't make her claims any more evidence based.  Pretty much most of the things she claims are pretty easily disproven (see the article @Mlodj posted). She takes small details of truth and makes truly outlandish conclusions from them, like because  hospitals are being paid to falsely boost COVID death numbers. This all coming from a woman who has been busted innumerable times lying about her role and research.  Her biggest (sole?) contribution to her field was a paper that pretty much immediately disproved and her methods questioned.  She makes batsheet crazy claims like she worked in a lab that "taught Ebola" how to infect humans...20 years after the first Ebola outbreak in Africa. There are so many examples beyond that but end of the day she has proven herself over and over to be FOS over the years.

As far as the profiteering off of all this...I mean I'm positive there are places that are taking advantage and making money but I just don't buy it as an overarching driving force.  This thing has been disastrous for hospital systems (they are bleeding money right now), politicians on both sides, markets, and so many businesses.  Pharma companies will make money off tests drugs (maybe) and eventually a vaccine, and big companies involved in various logistical capacities get a boost but I just don't see that money greasing remotely enough palms to overcome the crazy amount of losses the vast majority of people are taking.

For some reason i dont find it hard to believe they (vaccinations) caused good for some and harm to others.  Seems very possible(of course i have no medical or scientific background).  Me personally ive never had a flu shot and never will.  Just seems way to unnatural and i rarely get the flu or colds.  But if i ever get into my 70’s ill get one probably 

 

anyways,  Its a very interesting claim(s) she makes

29 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

For some reason i dont find it hard to believe they (vaccinations) caused good for some and harm to others.  Seems very possible(of course i have no medical or scientific background).  Me personally ive never had a flu shot and never will.  Just seems way to unnatural and i rarely get the flu or colds.  But if i ever get into my 70’s ill get one probably 

Given the bajillions of people that have had flu shots there will be some people that inevitably have had negative reactions to them.  That has to be traded against how many people survived that would have otherwise died of the disease they were vaccinated for.  The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of getting vaccinations.  And I say that with a daughter who is on the autism spectrum and is epileptic (the two often coincide), but I don't blame vaccinations for that; the numbers don't come close to supporting that "theory".

In what is good news out of Georgia, 14 days after the partial reopening, their downward trend in daily cases continues. I truly hope this is a nationwide trend and can help us reopen.  This is data that we can use. 
 

13 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

For some reason i dont find it hard to believe they (vaccinations) caused good for some and harm to others.  Seems very possible(of course i have no medical or scientific background).  Me personally ive never had a flu shot and never will.  Just seems way to unnatural and i rarely get the flu or colds.  But if i ever get into my 70’s ill get one probably 

 

anyways,  Its a very interesting claim(s) she makes

Alex Jones' theories are "interesting" too but it doesn't mean they should be taken seriously. 

Vaccines are not without any negative outcome, but the risk/benefit ratio is so skewed it's absurd, and anyone pushing a narrative that they're responsible for millions of deaths or cause autism deserves to be (at the very least) mocked. We have a shot that can drastically reduce several types of cancer  if given in childhood and yet I can't get a significant portion of my patients to get it because of a-holes like her spouting BS.