May 10, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Eaglesfandan said: Mah FrEEdOMzzZZ!!1!! You kinda forgot to add this part: "The new order extends the state of emergency but also allows Brown to terminate it earlier than that if deemed appropriate." ESPN didn't report that part.
May 10, 20205 yr story out of Seoul, South Korea highlights issues we will face as we open things up. A man went to 3 nightclubs on a Saturday night. Unbeknownst to him, he was a COVID-19 carrier. Starts feeling symptoms in the week, and tests positive for COVID-19 on Wednesday. They’ve already identified 40 new cases of COVID linked to him, and are trying to track down another 1500 people that were at those 3 nightclubs (Nightclubs there make you sign in, so that way you can be tracked down if need be).
May 10, 20205 yr Daily update from the Doc https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/59520-covid-19-update.html Good evening, Frontline Risk - risks are always associated with opportunity, some things are just worth doing. If all continues to go well, we will be opening our post anesthesia recovery unit, probably next week. Surgeons who historically chomp at the bit while waiting for rooms to turnover (usually 20 to 30 minutes) have waited patiently one to two hours for a room to be ready for the next case because the operating room has been used to recover the patient. Is this new found patience the "new normal"? Classifying fatalities In a recent study reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine out of Hamburg, Germany, complete autopsies were performed on the first 12 Covid positive deaths. Study protocol included postmortem CT imaging, histology, virology and clinical chart review. Median age was 73, 75% were male. Deep venous thrombosis was revealed in seven of twelve patients, not suspected antemortem. Pulmonary Embolism was the cause of death in four. Imaging studies revealed reticular infiltration, histopathology revealed diffuse severe alveolar damage (little air sacs in the lungs) in eight of the patients. There were very high concentrations of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in 100% of the lungs, viremia in 50% and 45% had high concentrations in the liver, kidney and heart. It would have been a mischaracterization to conclude that 33% of these patients died of Pulmonary Embolism, rather than Covid-19 death complicated by pulmonary embolism. Economics I know little about economics. I know 100 pennies makes a dollar. For an in depth,review, please refer to the article cited below. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not: Evidence From the 1918 Flu Epidemic Sergio Correia Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System This article has yet to be peer reviewed The authors examine the economic costs and benefits of non-pharmaceutical interventions. (NPI) They used geographic variation in mortality during the 1918 Flu Pandemic in the US as a basis for comparisons of different outcomes. The findings demonstrate that the more exposed areas experienced a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. They estimated that there was an 18% downturn in economic activity in these areas. The downturn was driven by both supply and demand side channels. The authors used variation in the timing of NPI and the intensity of the NPI to study economic effects. Their findings demonstrate that the cities that responded early and more intensively with NPI did not perform worse and if anything grew faster after the pandemic was over. There was a reduction in the mortality with the implementation of NPI. Healthcare expenditures and increased numbers of patients also need to be considered. { personal comment - today healthcare expenditures are a much larger percentage of the GDP than in 1918. Increased healthcare expenditures today will have a considerable drag on economic recovery as it relates to assets. I believe that it was the overriding concern of leadership that our healthcare system was about to implode with consequent rationing of care and the picture of people literally falling in the streets that led to the implementation of the restrictions on mobility. They were not going to allow a repeat of the carnage in the fall of 1918 Philadelphia when a person died every five minutes for six weeks. We have seen the very successful early implementation of NPI in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan without closing retail } NPI's implemented in 1918 resemble many of the policies used to reduce the spread of Covid-19 today, including closing schools, theaters, churches, public gatherings, funerals and restricting business hours. Insights 1. areas that were most severely affected saw a sharp and persistent decline in real economic activity 2. early and extensive NPI have no adverse effect on local economic outcomes. On the contrary they resulted in an increase in real economic activity after the pandemic. High mortalities during the Flu were associated with lower economic growth after the pandemic ended. City Census data from 1914 to 1919 provided the data. More severely affected areas experienced decreased manufacturing employment, manufacturing output, bank assets, consumer durables, and increased bank charge-offs Cities that intervened early and aggressively reflected the opposite of the above. Reacting 10 days prior to the pandemics arrival resulted in an increase in manufacturing employment of 5%. Implementing NPI for an additional 50 days resulted in an additional increase of manufacturing employment of 6.5% We have seen the effects of sickness and death in the meat processing plants with consequent disrupted production, and in the Mass Transit Workers of New York City which crippled operations. The article is interesting. As I stated as a preface I am not an economist. The author briefly mentioned healthcare but did not allude to the tremendous burden that health care expenditures have on this Country. In 1918, healthcare expenditures were 5% of the families income. In 1960, healthcare expenditures represented 5% of the GDP. In 2017 healthcare expenditure represented 17.7 of the GDP. If healthcare expenditures rise as expected they will represent 23% or more of the GDP next year. In 2017 dollars, that will be an increase of $1 Trillion in just one year and that may be conservative. This is a direct result of our inability to control this virus, in large part due to irresponsible behavior by far too many people. Japan, with a population of 123 million people did very little testing, controlled this pandemic with good social practices, wearing masks, washing hands and isolating symptomatic individuals. They did not close retail business in their country. The burgeoning costs of healthcare with continued cases and testing will have a dramatic effect on our recovery. Numbers: 1800 From the Hopkins website Tests - 8,709,,630 (301,117 tests in the last 24 hours) USA - 1,305,544 (up 1.89%, down from 2.46%, 4037 fewer new cases than the day before) New York - 333,132 (up o.82%, down from o.89%,, 223 fewer new cases) second day in a row under 1% New Jersey - 137,397 (up 1.14%, down from 1.16%, 648 fewer new cases) Pennsylvania - 58,560 (up2.07% down from 2.52%, 226 fewer new cases than the day before) Maryland - 31,534 (up 3.44% down from 3.78%,62 fewer new cases than the day before) California - 64,914 (up 3.78%, up from 2.30%) South Carolina - 7532 ( up 5.4% over two days) Texas- 37,906 (up 2.62%, down from 4.37%, 579 fewer new cases than the day before) World 4,008,497 (up 2.08%, down from 2.41%, 10,994 fewer new cases than the day before) We are in a battle with a virus preferentially attacking some of our most vulnerable citizens. Some shrug and say if we discount the nursing home deaths.....as if they don't count. It is usually the young who are most vulnerable but not this time. To regain our freedom from this viral attack, some freedoms will need to be relinquished for a short period of time (for some, freedom will be lost forever) . In any major battle this is always the case. With fatalities approaching 80,000, I would say the battle is major. We are not sending 1 million men and women to do battle, we are depending upon many millions of essential workers to sustain us and they in turn are depending upon tens of millions to practice living safely, to sustain them. Thank you all for helping Live Safely Be Well
May 10, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, xzmattzx said: Oregon's stay-at-home order is to July 6. Large gatherings in Oregon are banned through September. State of emergency was extended not stay at home
May 10, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: State of emergency was extended not stay at home Thanks
May 10, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, L.E said: Trump gets blame but I think governors should be getting blamed as well
May 10, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, xzmattzx said: Oregon's stay-at-home order is to July 6. Large gatherings in Oregon are banned through September. Must be nice to take the year off
May 10, 20205 yr 34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Trump gets blame but I think governors should be getting blamed as well The American populace has a real short attention span, but I really hope they don't forget their local government responses' when elections roll around. Some have been atrocious.
May 10, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, SNOORDA said: Must be nice to take the year off That news is bogus or misrepresenting. Oregon has issued guidance for places like salons and tattoo parlors to reopen as soon as May 15th. https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-coronavirus-covid-19-reopening-plan-may-15/ Metro areas are likely than need to wait a while longer. But there's no "stay at home until July 15th" order.
May 10, 20205 yr Author LINK ‘Painful to see': rise in Russian medics falling prey to Covid-19 as death toll questioned Lack of PPE cited as reason for mass infections – with suspicions deaths are not recorded For weeks, paramedic Dmitry Seryogin had warned about the lack of coronavirus testing and inadequate protective gear that he and his colleagues were given in the city of Oryol, about a four-hour drive south of Moscow. If a patient did not explicitly warn they had coronavirus, he said, teams handled likely infections in simple masks and gloves. Then, the inevitable happened. Two of his colleagues fell ill with coronavirus, then five more, and now, Seryogin says, more than a dozen have contracted the virus. The regional governor has confirmed an outbreak at a medical station, saying staff had been quarantined and he had "set the goal of providing everyone with PPE. No matter where they are going, what kind of call”. Seryogin, who continues to work, has few illusions of safety. "I know what kind of job I have. The question is not whether I’m afraid of falling ill, just when it’s going to happen,” he said. Infections are growing rapidly in Russia, with the country posting more than 10,000 new cases of coronavirus for the past three days, giving it the highest rate of new infections in Europe. Hotspots with hundreds of infected people have been discovered at far-flung oil and gas fields and regional hospitals. Moscow’s mayor has warned that as many as 2% of the capital’s residents may be infected, an estimated 250,000 people, which is roughly four times the official tally. Officially, 1,451 people have died of coronavirus in Russia, far fewer than in countries with similar confirmed cases, but the fatality rate is rising. "The empty beds in the ICU don’t mean there are fewer people critically ill, these are lives that have been lost,” Maryana Lysenko, the head doctor for Moscow’s 52nd Hospital, said in a video address calling on Russians not to go out during this week’s May holidays. Russian medical staff have been hit especially hard. One nurse in St Petersburg called it the "longest two months of my life”. She had moved out of her house, where she lives with her husband and son, and was staying with a colleague because she feared she could not avoid becoming infected at work and passing it on to her family. For a period last month, she and colleagues had been asked to source masks from home. "It’s painful for me to see doctors ready to do anything but without the support they need,” she said. Hundreds of Russian healthcare workers have been quarantined alongside their patients, and St Petersburg authorities this week uncovered 111 infections among ambulance workers at a single hospital. In Moscow, medical school students have been mobilised, some telling the Moscow Times they had been coerced to fight the disease, in part to replace trained medical staff who have fallen ill. Staff members at several high-profile hospitals have resigned in protest at poor working conditions. Paramedics and hospital staff in four cities contacted by the Guardian complained about a shortage of masks or having to reuse PPE. "We’re seeing mass infections among medical workers,” said Andrei Konoval, the co-chairman of the independent medical workers’ union Deystviye, of which Seryogin is also a member. "From everything we have seen, hospitals seem to be one of the key vectors for the spread of the disease.” Doctors have begun tallying their fallen colleagues because they believe that they are being overlooked. A "list of memory” has appeared online, which, as of Tuesday morning, listed the names of 97 doctors from Russia and four from neighbouring Belarus who had died with symptoms of the disease. The unofficial statistics raise questions about how Russia is counting the numbers of its people who have died from the disease. The Guardian this week collected reports of 150 deaths among health workers in the UK when the country had recorded more than 28,000 deaths from the disease. When Italy reported that 100 medical workers had died, the country’s death toll had just surpassed 18,200. The Russian list has 97 names for just 1,451 coronavirus deaths, indicating that either Russian health workers are dying at higher rates or that the country’s total death toll due to coronavirus may be underreported, or both. "We see that many of our colleagues are sick, many are dying,” one of the doctors behind the list told a Russian news website. "And there are no attempts to either count or find out in detail what is happening. That’s where the idea came from.” Russia’s biggest cities have been worst hit by the virus. In St Petersburg, 11 doctors have died, including two nurses at a hospital for war veterans. Another doctor at the same hospital, Marianna Zamyatina, resigned last month after complaining about a lack of PPE and dangers from cross-contamination. Her husband had given her a welder’s mask to wear to work. At Moscow’s coronavirus hospitals in Kommunarka, a nurse who quit over working conditions said she had been ridiculed for asking for a bonus promised to medical workers on TV by Vladimir Putin: "Putin promised it to you, let Putin personally pay it.” The list has also revealed other regions with high death tolls. Nine health workers are listed as having died in Dagestan, a southern Russian region that has reported only 13 deaths from the disease. Doctors in Dagestan, where local health workers have complained about conditions amid an "avalanche” of new infections, suspect the death toll may be far higher. A video leaked last month from a hospital in Derbent in Dagestan showed nurses being treated for coronavirus symptoms on shelves usually reserved for clean sheets. Another doctor, Daniyal Alkhasov, said he began volunteering late last month at a hospital ICU in Khasavyurt, a city in Dagestan that local officials ordered quarantined on Monday. Alkhasov was given a protective suit, he said, but there were no respirators and the PPE had "practically no effect”. After just two shifts at the hospital, he fell ill with coronavirus. "Nearly everyone there has already been sick or is sick now,” he said in an interview punctuated by heavy coughs. "It’s like a chain – some get sick, some get better, and some unfortunately have died.” When he arrived for his first shift, Alkhasov said, a nurse from the gynaecology department was in the ICU with coronavirus. "When I came back [for my second shift], she had died,” he said. "I didn’t see her on the list.”
May 10, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: Trump gets blame but I think governors should be getting blamed as well Yup, but Trump should get the lion's share. Disabled the pandemic team without putting something in its place, ignored the warnings in January and then downplayed the threat at the national level.
May 10, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, L.E said: Yup, but Trump should get the lion's share. Disabled the pandemic team without putting something in its place, ignored the warnings in January and then downplayed the threat at the national level. Governors ignored the warnings and downplayed the threat as well. Governors could have issued stay at home orders and other things long before the federal did anything. They should actually get more IMO because they shouldn't have waited for Trump I definitely feel like people will forget that their states didn't move quick enough and place all of the blame on Trump
May 10, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Governors ignored the warnings and downplayed the threat as well. Governors could have issued stay at home orders and other things long before the federal did anything. They should actually get more IMO because they shouldn't have waited for Trump I definitely feel like people will forget that their states didn't move quick enough and place all of the blame on Trump The nation as a whole was woefully unprepared. The President, Governors, state and local government, our own citizens.
May 10, 20205 yr Just now, Blazehound said: The nation as a whole was woefully unprepared. The President, Governors, state and local government, our own citizens. You're absolutely grading on a curve when it comes to coronavirus management. It's an awful situation and leaders were forced to choose from a series of sheety options. That being said there are clearly federal, state, and local officials who managed things better than others.
May 10, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: Governors ignored the warnings and downplayed the threat as well. Governors could have issued stay at home orders and other things long before the federal did anything. They should actually get more IMO because they shouldn't have waited for Trump I definitely feel like people will forget that their states didn't move quick enough and place all of the blame on Trump Leaders lead from the front
May 10, 20205 yr Loving all these counties sticking their middle fingers up at wolf and planning to open up. Lancaster, lebanon, bucks, I think Dauphin. Eat. A. D. Gov
May 10, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: Loving all these counties sticking their middle fingers up at wolf and planning to open up. Lancaster, lebanon, bucks, I think Dauphin. Eat. A. D. Gov We'll see how smart those moves are shortly.......
May 10, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: That news is bogus or misrepresenting. Oregon has issued guidance for places like salons and tattoo parlors to reopen as soon as May 15th. https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-coronavirus-covid-19-reopening-plan-may-15/ Metro areas are likely than need to wait a while longer. But there's no "stay at home until July 15th" order. Better to own the libs than report what is actually happening.
May 10, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, DBW said: Loving all these counties sticking their middle fingers up at wolf and planning to open up. Lancaster, lebanon, bucks, I think Dauphin. Eat. A. D. Gov There were conditions everyone thought were a good idea, then when that took too long everyone said F it. Wolf is trying to stick to the plan. The plan that came from the CDC and the Trump administration btw.
May 10, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, Gannan said: There were conditions everyone thought were a good idea, then when that took too long everyone said F it. Wolf is trying to stick to the plan. The plan that came from the CDC and the Trump administration btw. People rather believe those plans were made up and the governor's that used them are arseholes
May 11, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, Gannan said: There were conditions everyone thought were a good idea, then when that took too long everyone said F it. Wolf is trying to stick to the plan. The plan that came from the CDC and the Trump administration btw. The two hospitals in lancaster county - Lancaster general and ephrata, are at less than 2% capacity and have plenty of PPE, etc. this overrunning of hospitals is not happening. And some counties are still seeing 125-150 cases per 100,000 after two months of lockdown so to get to the 50per 100k is unrealistic. It’s never gonna happen.
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