April 23, 20214 yr Refreshing to finally have a President that keeps and even exceeds his promises. And have you all seen the snake in his pants? Holy sheet.
April 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: To his credit, he could've said and did nothing at all (which is exactly what he did for months following the election) but he eventually did come out recently and tell his morons to get the vaccine. Was it in an impactful way with ideal timing? No, but it's better than nothing. In the end, I'm glad he did it and I hope he does it more like an actual leader is supposed to do, though I know better than to expect that by now. sure. he mustered a non-zero effort. but given he spent months (November - January) that were absolutely critical to getting a vaccine distribution plan devised and executed ahead of supply b|tching and moaning about a stolen election that wasn't stolen, going on Hannity in April is too little too late. Vaccine skepticism that he could have at least mitigated somewhat is already baked in for too many.
April 23, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: sure. he mustered a non-zero effort. but given he spent months (November - January) that were absolutely critical to getting a vaccine distribution plan devised and executed ahead of supply b|tching and moaning about a stolen election that wasn't stolen, going on Hannity in April is too little too late. Vaccine skepticism that he could have at least mitigated somewhat is already baked in for too many. Agreed, he sucks and should've done much more. As for being too little too late, I hope that's not the case. If he still carries clout, he might be able to nudge some morons into getting it that otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
April 23, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Agreed, he sucks and should've done much more. As for being too little too late, I hope that's not the case. If he still carries clout, he might be able to nudge some morons into getting it that otherwise wouldn't have bothered. I highly doubt it. They would think he had been corrupted by the Deep State, or that it is an actor portraying Trump, etc. The flock of imbeciles picked Trump -- every moron found his messiah. But at the end of the day, they are still idiots and immune to rational thinking.
April 23, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Agreed, he sucks and should've done much more. As for being too little too late, I hope that's not the case. If he still carries clout, he might be able to nudge some morons into getting it that otherwise wouldn't have bothered. That's my issue with the tepid support. The comment about the vaccine was tangential to a different point he was making about how Pfizer is in bed with the FDA for ef's sake! In the same exchange he is undermining confidence in the FDA (and I don't disagree that I think the FDA is overcorrecting on J&J) while commenting "yeah our people don't want to get it for some reason, and they should, but the FDA was stupid with J&J and this is really good for Moderna and Pfizer" Sorry, I just have trouble giving him much credit for dropping "yeah you should get the vaccine" while going on a diatribe about how the FDA is doing Pfizer a favor.
April 23, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: I highly doubt it. They would think he had been corrupted by the Deep State, or that it is an actor portraying Trump, etc. The flock of imbeciles picked Trump -- every moron found his messiah. But at the end of the day, they are still idiots and immune to rational thinking. You guys are probably right, who knows. But he got republicans to abandon countless conventions and principles all because it came from his mouth, so even if he gets a couple hundred thousand idiots to do a 180 on this then that's better than nothing.
April 23, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I highly doubt it. They would think he had been corrupted by the Deep State, or that it is an actor portraying Trump, etc. The flock of imbeciles picked Trump -- every moron found his messiah. But at the end of the day, they are still idiots and immune to rational thinking. This. It's impossible to overstate how stupid Trump supporters are. It's a miracle they can dress themselves in the morning. Just now, we_gotta_believe said: You guys are probably right, who knows. But he got republicans to abandon countless conventions and principles all because it came from his mouth, so even if he gets a couple hundred thousand idiots to do a 180 on this then that's better than nothing. Because he said what they already wanted to hear. "Get the vaccine" is not what they already want to hear.
April 23, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: That's my issue with the tepid support. The comment about the vaccine was tangential to a different point he was making about how Pfizer is in bed with the FDA for ef's sake! In the same exchange he is undermining confidence in the FDA (and I don't disagree that I think the FDA is overcorrecting on J&J) while commenting "yeah our people don't want to get it for some reason, and they should, but the FDA was stupid with J&J and this is really good for Moderna and Pfizer" Sorry, I just have trouble giving him much credit for dropping "yeah you should get the vaccine" while going on a diatribe about how the FDA is doing Pfizer a favor. I haven't seen the interview, so if that's the case, then yeah F him. So glad that loser is out of office.
April 23, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: This. It's impossible to overstate how stupid Trump supporters are. It's a miracle they can dress themselves in the morning. Because he said what they already wanted to hear. "Get the vaccine" is not what they already want to hear. Trump basically poured gasoline on a fire that all responsible people were trying to stamp out. He is an imbecile like them, and he acts like all of them think they would act with $$ (eat McDonald's, have a golden toilet, focus on personal vendettas, etc.). Trump normalized all the things they believe that society had told them was wrong. Racism. Wacky conspiracy theories. Rejection of science. He made it OK for them to publicly be themselves, because he was just as stupid as them. Now, the left helped too by going crazy and overboard on things like critical race theory and political correctness. But Trump basically made it OK for these people to be their vile selves in public.
April 23, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump basically poured gasoline on a fire that all responsible people were trying to stamp out. He is an imbecile like them, and he acts like all of them think they would act with $$ (eat McDonald's, have a golden toilet, focus on personal vendettas, etc.). Trump normalized all the things they believe that society had told them was wrong. Racism. Wacky conspiracy theories. Rejection of science. He made it OK for them to publicly be themselves, because he was just as stupid as them. Now, the left helped too by going crazy and overboard on things like critical race theory and political correctness. But Trump basically made it OK for these people to be their vile selves in public. Right. And when it comes to vaccines, a much more powerful force against them getting it is that liberals want them to get it. In their eyes, liberals wanting them to do something means they can't do it. So it doesn't matter what Trump or any other right wing voice says. Hatred of liberals is the core of their ideology. Which is also why Trump was so popular with them. He quite literally punished the left (revenge politics foreign policy, blaming California for fires, raising taxes in blue states, the constant drumbeat of blaming Democratic-run cities, etc.). If he hadn't, he would've lost a lot of his base support.
April 23, 20214 yr As we pass the tipping point where supply outstrips demand domestically in the next month or two, I'm hoping that we donate some doses to South Africa if for nothing else than as a real world clinical study to better understand how well induced immunity would fare against b1.351. Is it less protective across the board? If so, to what extent? Is it still protective but with lesser durability? Is it just as protective against severe disease but not nearly as much for asymptomatic transmission? It's shimmering we'll absolutely need to understand at some point, so even for selfish reasons, we should be looking at doing this at a small scale in SA, as opposed to much larger countries like Brazil and India where it's far more impractical.
April 23, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: As we pass the tipping point where supply outstrips demand domestically in the next month or two, In your view, is this coming to soon? That seems to be how the media is portraying it. From an outsider's perspective, it does seem a bit early for supply to be outstripping demand when we just opened up vaccination to everyone.
April 23, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: In your view, is this coming to soon? That seems to be how the media is portraying it. From an outsider's perspective, it does seem a bit early for supply to be outstripping demand when we just opened up vaccination to everyone. Right. Still have 2 weeks before my 1st one and I booked pretty quickly and even bumped it up a week when I had the chance. I'd say by July or August anybody who wants it would have had a crack at it by then.
April 23, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: As we pass the tipping point where supply outstrips demand domestically in the next month or two, I'm hoping that we donate some doses to South Africa if for nothing else than as a real world clinical study to better understand how well induced immunity would fare against b1.351. Is it less protective across the board? If so, to what extent? Is it still protective but with lesser durability? Is it just as protective against severe disease but not nearly as much for asymptomatic transmission? It's shimmering we'll absolutely need to understand at some point, so even for selfish reasons, we should be looking at doing this at a small scale in SA, as opposed to much larger countries like Brazil and India where it's far more impractical. I've been thinking about that, though more towards Canada. They're having real issues, and those dirty Canucks are right across the border - don't want to have to build ANOTHER wall to keep a bunch of COVID-stricken hosers from spreading their diseases and socialisms south.
April 23, 20214 yr i would think that the J&J f up would push back the date at which supply begins to exceed demand.
April 23, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i would think that the J&J f up would push back the date at which supply begins to exceed demand. Or it could speed it up by making people more hesitant.
April 23, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: In your view, is this coming to soon? That seems to be how the media is portraying it. From an outsider's perspective, it does seem a bit early for supply to be outstripping demand when we just opened up vaccination to everyone. Hard to say, because while we've already hit peak daily vaccinations, we don't necessarily know what the down slope of the curve will look like. It could fall off a cliff because we were hyper efficient at meeting demand in all regions, or it could be a more gradual decline because some areas still have large pockets of demand that were unmet or people just dragged their feet because they didn't want to have to drive far or fit it into their schedules (most in the 16-29 year old age group fit this profile.) The plane boarding analogy is what I keep going back to. There are many people who prefer to sit in their seat at the gate until later in the boarding process so that they're not needlessly standing still in a line while others prefer to get in line first and don't mind navigating the pre-boarding rush at the gate. By the end June, we are on pace to hit at least 50% fully vaccinated, and then hopefully another 5% by end of July for 55% (of total population.) Anything over that is just a bonus. It would be concerning if we fall short of 50%. Then once we get an EUA for 12-15 year olds, we should get another 2-3% boost. And again for 8-11 year olds by early winter potentially. If we can hit 60% by year's end, we're in good shape. Add another 10% from unvaccinated people with natural immunity and you're knocking on the door for herd immunity.
April 23, 20214 yr I'm wondering what the effects will be of putting J&J back on-line. I'd imagine a lot of people who are otherwise open to vaccination are not going to want that vaccine.
April 23, 20214 yr The patent rights issue is stupid. Patents aren't the impediment to ramping up production, a lack of materials in the supply chain are. Handing over IP to companies in other countries won't solve that.
April 23, 20214 yr I wish I could say seeing this kind of evil from Big Pharma was a surprise, but I've seen Dallas Buyer's Club, so this is no shock.
April 23, 20214 yr lol libs in this thread are having their heads explode right now like "do I side with the giant pharmaceutical companies that are actively attempting to prevent 3rd world countries from developing cheaper generic vaccines or the poor third worlders that I pretend to care about?"
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