42 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

One is better?

This disease has killed almost 600k within a year and we may be able to eradicate it if people take a vaccine. 

But sure, let's be idiots and set our bar low at "managing" so the bros don't have to get a shot.

😂😂😂😂.

K. Context is key. How many of those people were dead within four months anyway? Or did you miss all the statistics I provided on average lifespan in a nursing home?

18 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Glad to see someone else getting beaten up on. All I said was the vaccines MAY NOT be as effective as we think and I got it bad, this dude is insane, go get him

Yep. Insane. Mentally diminished because not one of you can explain the need to take an EUA drug to "save" me from something that wouldn't so much as send me to the doctor, let alone kill me.

 

5 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

😂😂😂😂.

K. Context is key. How many of those people were dead within four months anyway? Or did you miss all the statistics I provided on average lifespan in a nursing home?

Yep. Insane. Mentally diminished because not one of you can explain the need to take an EUA drug to "save" me from something that wouldn't so much as send me to the doctor, let alone kill me.

 

Not just about you 

42 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

You get beat up on because in your world, the glass is not only half empty, but completely empty and has holes in the bottom when discussing pretty much any topic. 

This isn't true?

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

How do we know you are not an obese midget   jk.  

5 foot 6.  So not that far off. 

26 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

5 foot 6.  So not that far off. 

Easy. I am 5’6”. We are not a tall people. 
 

Of course, I am also only 130 lbs. 

10 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Easy. I am 5’6”. We are not a tall people. 
 

Of course, I am also only 130 lbs. 

Hey nothing wrong with being in the shorter side. Being on the shorter side and flirting with heavyweight designation on the other hand...

On 3/13/2021 at 11:11 AM, IFB DOG said:

5'7" 185. I am considered overweight according to charts.

I accept my risks. I don't sugar coat others'.

Also, 5'7" 174.0.

Motivation, MFers.

 

10 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Easy. I am 5’6”. We are not a tall people. 
 

Of course, I am also only 130 lbs. 

You're built like a facking woman and talking crap 😂😂😂😂😂

10 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Hey nothing wrong with being in the shorter side. Being on the shorter side and flirting with heavyweight designation on the other hand...

Yep, heavyweight alright. Peddler here with all the jokes. Notice you didn't comment on the percentages, eh doc??

Did you forget your ethics pillars?

10 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Easy. I am 5’6”. We are not a tall people. 
 

Of course, I am also only 130 lbs. 

So your family is originally from South India?

How did this become the fitness thread for fat people who want to get fit? What's going on here lately.

 

Anyway, had a bbq with a few friends who are all at some level of vaccination on Saturday. Was so great to be with people again. 

Just now, BirdsFanBill said:

How did this become the fitness thread for fat people who want to get fit? What's going on here lately.

 

Anyway, had a bbq with a few friends who are all at some level of vaccination on Saturday. Was so great to be with people again. 

Because it is a greater comorbidity than even age.

the wife is getting her second Pfizer vaccine today. I go Sunday.

1 minute ago, IFB DOG said:

Because it is a greater comorbidity than even age.

Well I'd think you would want everyone to get vaccinated then as a 4 foot 8 man who weighs 174 pounds. 

Just now, IFB DOG said:

Because it is a greater comorbidity than even age.

what you seem to keep missing is that even if you're at lower risk for death you can still pass it on if you contract it. 

the studies are ongoing, but it stands to reason that when the viral load is reduced by the vaccine (which it is) that the reproducibility of the virus is reduced significantly (which early observational studies are showing).

it's not about you, you selfish twit. even if you're "taking care of yourself" and reducing your chances of dying from the virus, you can still help EVERYBODY ELSE that you interact with by having the vaccine and reducing (most likely very significantly) the amount of the virus your body can retransmit into the air. 

I don't understand how someone can be this obtuse.

11 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Well I'd think you would want everyone to get vaccinated then as a 4 foot 8 man who weighs 174 pounds. 

Clever.

7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

what you seem to keep missing is that even if you're at lower risk for death you can still pass it on if you contract it. 

the studies are ongoing, but it stands to reason that when the viral load is reduced by the vaccine (which it is) that the reproducibility of the virus is reduced significantly (which early observational studies are showing).

it's not about you, you selfish twit. even if you're "taking care of yourself" and reducing your chances of dying from the virus, you can still help EVERYBODY ELSE that you interact with by having the vaccine and reducing (most likely very significantly) the amount of the virus your body can retransmit into the air. 

I don't understand how someone can be this obtuse.

I've encouraged people with underlying health conditions and comorbidities to get the vaccines. In this very thread, in fact.

Yet, you have NO IDEA if there are any long-term effects or consequences of getting the vaccine because there ARE NO LONGITUDINAL STUDIES.

So, again, if everyone that has a high chance of dying after contracting covid gets vaccinated, then why would you also vaccinate a healthy population if it doesn't prevent them from catching it, passing it on, etc.? It reduces their chance of hospitalization and death???? I just posted the raw statistics and NONE of you fear-mongering dewschebags want to dispute it! THIS DOES NOT KILL HEALTHY PEOPLE. And you DON'T KNOW if there are long term ramifications from getting vaccinated!

1 hour ago, IFB DOG said:

Yep, heavyweight alright. Peddler here with all the jokes. Notice you didn't comment on the percentages, eh doc??

Did you forget your ethics pillars?

It's a complete lack of understanding of epidemiology and I'm done doing your homework for you. 

Convinced a patient and 2 parents to get vaccinated already today!  Feeling pretty good ethically right now!

3 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

I've encouraged people with underlying health conditions and comorbidities to get the vaccines. In this very thread, in fact.

Yet, you have NO IDEA if there are any long-term effects or consequences of getting the vaccine because there ARE NO LONGITUDINAL STUDIES.

So, again, if everyone that has a high chance of dying after contracting covid gets vaccinated, then why would you also vaccinate a healthy population if it doesn't prevent them from catching it, passing it on, etc.? It reduces their chance of hospitalization and death???? I just posted the raw statistics and NONE of you fear-mongering dewschebags want to dispute it! THIS DOES NOT KILL HEALTHY PEOPLE. And you DON'T KNOW if there are long term ramifications from getting vaccinated!

It's a calculated risk, but there is no reason to believe that there are long-term consequences of the vaccines. But we DO know that there are long-term effects associated with COVID. 

I don't believe that most vaccines end up having longitudinal studies before they are approved for general consumption, because the nature of longitudinal studies requires that they be utilized for a long enough time period to have a longitudinal study. 

And I already stated that it's almost certain that the vaccine helps reduce the chances of developing an infection, passing it on to others, and significantly reduces the severity if you do end up developing an infection. 

And it DOES kill healthy people. In fewer numbers, but that stands to reason because they're healthier. BUT THEY CAN STILL PASS IT ON. And they can still develop an infection. And if they had the vaccine, maybe 1. they don't develop an infection because the virus never reaches critical mass, and 2. they pass it on to 0.5 people on average rather than 2-3. 

So while you can sit there and whine about how it "doesn't kill healthy people" (which is false), you dismiss the near certainty that as more people are vaccinated the virus finds it harder and harder to reproduce even among "healthy people" which will SAVE LIVES. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/23/mit-researchers-say-youre-no-safer-from-covid-indoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

 

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The risk of being exposed to Covid-19 indoors is as great at 60 feet as it is at 6 feet — even when wearing a mask, according to a new study by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers who challenge social distancing guidelines adopted across the world.

MIT professors Martin Z. Bazant, who teaches chemical engineering and applied mathematics, and John W.M. Bush, who teaches applied mathematics, developed a method of calculating exposure risk to Covid-19 in an indoor setting that factors in a variety of issues that could affect transmission, including the amount of time spent inside, air filtration and circulation, immunization, variant strains, mask use, and even respiratory activity such as breathing, eating, speaking or singing.

 

Bazant and Bush question long-held Covid-19 guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization in a peer-reviewed study published earlier this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science of the United States of America.

"We argue there really isn’t much of a benefit to the 6-foot rule, especially when people are wearing masks,” Bazant said in an interview. "It really has no physical basis because the air a person is breathing while wearing a mask tends to rise and comes down elsewhere in the room so you’re more exposed to the average background than you are to a person at a distance.”

The important variable the CDC and the WHO have overlooked is the amount of time spent indoors, Bazant said. The longer someone is inside with an infected person, the greater the chance of transmission, he said.

Opening windows or installing new fans to keep the air moving could also be just as effective or more effective than spending large amounts of money on a new filtration system, he said.

Bazant also says that guidelines enforcing indoor occupancy caps are flawed. He said 20 people gathered inside for 1 minute is probably fine, but not over the course of several hours, he said.

 

"What our analysis continues to show is that many spaces that have been shut down in fact don’t need to be. Often times the space is large enough, the ventilation is good enough, the amount of time people spend together is such that those spaces can be safely operated even at full capacity and the scientific support for reduced capacity in those spaces is really not very good,” Bazant said. "I think if you run the numbers, even right now for many types of spaces you’d find that there is not a need for occupancy restrictions.”

Six-feet social distancing rules that inadvertently result in closed businesses and schools are "just not reasonable,” according to Bazant.

"This emphasis on distancing has been really misplaced from the very beginning. The CDC or WHO have never really provided justification for it, they’ve just said this is what you must do and the only justification I’m aware of, is based on studies of coughs and sneezes, where they look at the largest particles that might sediment onto the floor and even then it’s very approximate, you can certainly have longer or shorter range, large droplets,” Bazant said.

"The distancing isn’t helping you that much and it’s also giving you a false sense of security because you’re as safe at 6 feet as you are at 60 feet if you’re indoors. Everyone in that space is at roughly the same risk, actually,” he noted.

Pathogen-laced droplets travel through the air indoors when people talk, breathe or eat. It is now known that airborne transmission plays a huge role in the spread of Covid-19, compared with the earlier months of the pandemic where hand-washing was considered the leading recommendation to avoid transmission.

Those droplets from one’s warm exhalation mix with body heat and air currents in the area to rise and travel throughout the entire room, no matter how socially distanced a person is. People seem to be more exposed to that "background” air than they are by droplets from a distance, according to the study.

For example, if someone infected with Covid-19 is wearing a mask and singing loudly in an enclosed room, a person who is sitting at the other side of the room is not more protected than someone who is sitting just six feet away from the infected person. This is why time spent in the enclosed area is more important than how far you are from the infected person.

Masks work in general to prevent transmission by blocking larger droplets, therefore larger droplets aren’t making up the majority of Covid infections because most people are wearing masks. The majority of people who are transmitting Covid aren’t coughing and sneezing, they’re asymptomatic.

Masks also work to prevent indoor transmission by blocking direct plumes of air, best visualized by imagining someone exhaling smoke. Constant exposure to direct plumes of infectious air would result in a higher risk of transmission, though exposure to direct plumes of exhaled air doesn’t usually last long.

Even with masks on, as with smoking, those who are in the vicinity are heavily affected by the secondhand smoke that makes its way around the enclosed area and lingers. The same logic applies to infectious airborne droplets, according to the study. When indoors and masked, factors besides distance can be more important to consider to avoid transmission.

As for social distancing outdoors, Bazant says it makes almost no sense and that doing so with masks on is "kind of crazy.”

"If you look at the air flow outside, the infected air would be swept away and very unlikely to cause transmission. There are very few recorded instances of outdoor transmission.” he said. "Crowded spaces outdoor could be an issue, but if people are keeping a reasonable distance of like 3 feet outside, I feel pretty comfortable with that even without masks frankly.”

Bazant says this could possibly explain why there haven’t been spikes in transmission in states like Texas or Florida that have reopened businesses without capacity limits.

As for variant strains that are 60% more transmissible, increasing ventilation by 60%, reducing the amount of time spent inside or limiting the number of people indoors could offset that risk.

Bazant also said that a big question that is coming will be when masks can be removed, and that the study’s guidelines can help quantify the risks involved. He also noted that measuring carbon dioxide in a room can also help quantify how much infected air is present and hence risk of transmission.

"We need scientific information conveyed to the public in a way that is not just fearmongering but is actually based in analysis,” Bazant said. After three rounds of heavy peer review, he said it’s the most review he’s ever been through, and that now that it’s published he hopes it will influence policy.

 

On 4/23/2021 at 7:55 AM, sameaglesfan said:

I think (and this is only my opinion) that you may have this backwards.  The supporters of Trump made Trump - Trump did not make the supporters.  If this jackwagon comes out in support of the vaccine, his people would only think that he has lost his mind.  

Trump was/is an idiot - but I think he is the product of the times and not the wind of change that he imagines himself to be.

I think it's absurd to act like people don't listen to Trump. He said the election was rigged with zero evidence, and about half the country believed him. 

34 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

How did this become the fitness thread for fat people who want to get fit? What's going on here lately.

 

Anyway, had a bbq with a few friends who are all at some level of vaccination on Saturday. Was so great to be with people again. 

I keep forgetting that there are people that have actually avoided social interaction for over a year. Whenever I read a post like this, it surprises me. 

OK, which one of you is this?

 

Getting my first vaccine tomorrow. Hoping to grow wings instead of a third arm.