6 hours ago, Kz! said:

lol libs in this thread are having their heads explode right now like "do I side with the giant pharmaceutical companies that are actively attempting to prevent 3rd world countries from developing cheaper generic vaccines or the poor third worlders that I pretend to care about?"

Sorry. This thread has already been claimed by another troll. Move along please...

 The doctors on CNN do not share the sunny outlook as some here, After the summer they don't sound so optimistic because of vaccine hesitancy and the variant in India

1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

 The doctors on CNN do not share the sunny outlook as some here

 

Who gives a $hit?

3 hours ago, vikas83 said:

For the troll who thinks vaccines don’t work. 

 

#SCIENCE

9 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

Yea he should be fired. Just a real shame Trump didn't get that second term to fulfill that campaign promise though.

On 4/23/2021 at 10:51 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

In your view, is this coming to soon? That seems to be how the media is portraying it. From an outsider's perspective, it does seem a bit early for supply to be outstripping demand when we just opened up vaccination to everyone.

Because it was only restricted to the at-risk groups, who should get the vaccine.

So it doesn't make me immune? Doesn't prevent me from catching it and doesn't prevent me from passing it on.

It reduces the risk of severe symptoms and hospitalization.

Which is already stupid-low because I am:

A ) Not obese
B ) Not elderly
C ) Not hypertensive

Sooo...  why should I get the vaccine...?

They opened it up to people who have virtually no risk of serious disease.

Why is this concept so hard for people, who claim to be so intelligent, to understand? 

On 4/23/2021 at 11:15 AM, we_gotta_believe said:

Hard to say, because while we've already hit peak daily vaccinations, we don't necessarily know what the down slope of the curve will look like. It could fall off a cliff because we were hyper efficient at meeting demand in all regions, or it could be a more gradual decline because some areas still have large pockets of demand that were unmet or people just dragged their feet because they didn't want to have to drive far or fit it into their schedules (most in the 16-29 year old age group fit this profile.)

The plane boarding analogy is what I keep going back to. There are many people who prefer to sit in their seat at the gate until later in the boarding process so that they're not needlessly standing still in a line while others prefer to get in line first and don't mind navigating the pre-boarding rush at the gate. 

By the end June, we are on pace to hit at least 50% fully vaccinated, and then hopefully another 5% by end of July for 55% (of total population.) Anything over that is just a bonus. It would be concerning if we fall short of 50%. 

Then once we get an EUA for 12-15 year olds, we should get another 2-3% boost. And again for 8-11 year olds by early winter potentially. If we can hit 60% by year's end, we're in good shape. Add another 10% from unvaccinated people with natural immunity and you're knocking on the door for herd immunity. 

The fact that you're talking about vaccinating vast amounts of elementary school children with an EUA drug is mind-boggling.

And those 16-29 year olds? More likely to die in a car accident on their way to the vaccination than develop serious symptoms from COVID, let alone death.*

 

*with consideration for massive obesity, underlying health conditions, and other factors that already made them eligible for vaccination under most state plans.

230,245 deaths in people under the age of FORTY between 2020-2021.

8,305 had COVID at the time of death. Not accounting for ANY other health conditions, of their chance of dying period, they only had a 3.5% chance of dying with COVID.

Of nearly 160 MILLION people in that age range, we lost 0.144% of that population in 2020-2021. Of that population, we lost 0.0052% who died with COVID.

That is not even one ONE HUNDREDTH of a percent, and you want to inject the entire population with a drug that has no longitudinal studies completed?

 

Seriously, are you out of your phuxking minds????

20 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

Because it was only restricted to the at-risk groups, who should get the vaccine.

So it doesn't make me immune? Doesn't prevent me from catching it and doesn't prevent me from passing it on.

It reduces the risk of severe symptoms and hospitalization.

Which is already stupid-low because I am:

A ) Not obese
B ) Not elderly
C ) Not hypertensive

Sooo...  why should I get the vaccine...?

They opened it up to people who have virtually no risk of serious disease.

Why is this concept so hard for people, who claim to be so intelligent, to understand? 

Except for the fact that it does reduce the chance of infection and transmission.  

Let's look just at those under 18.

 

266 deaths with COVID. 41,069 from all deaths. So your risk of dying is roughly 0.05%, period. Your chance of dying due to COVID is roughly 0.0003%.

Yeah, no. Take your vaccines and shove it.

99.95% chance of making it to 18 (and higher, honestly, because they're white).

99.9997% chance of dying due to something else, and you want me to inject experimental drugs into my kids????

22 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Except for the fact that it does reduce the chance of infection and transmission.  

So? Who the F would I pass it on to? Other people who may not display symptoms and will not get hospitalized?

That sounds like... a way to natural herd immunity...

1 hour ago, IFB DOG said:

The fact that you're talking about vaccinating vast amounts of elementary school children with an EUA drug is mind-boggling.

And those 16-29 year olds? More likely to die in a car accident on their way to the vaccination than develop serious symptoms from COVID, let alone death.*

 

*with consideration for massive obesity, underlying health conditions, and other factors that already made them eligible for vaccination under most state plans.

Look, you tubby moron, this is real simple: Every individual weighs the benefit against the risk. You don't think kids should be vaccinated? Good for you, nobody gives a flying F. When and if you have kids, you're free to make that decision for yours.

I, on the other hand, realize that even though it's very rare for kids to get infected and have adverse outcomes from covid, it's far more rare that they'll have an adverse outcome from getting vaccinated. Hence my assessment of the benefit outweighing the risk, and my kids will be getting it as soon as they're eligible. 

Also, as far as underlying conditions go, you don't always know if you have them. Last summer, one of my daughter's best friends passed out while playing outside and doctors diagnosed her with vasovagal syncope. Now I doubt her particular condition is much of a risk factor for covid, but the point is, you have to consider all factors, even potentially unknown ones, and make the best choice you feel comfortable with. 

Your choice to date has been to stuff your face until it's puffy so that people mistake you for someone who's allergic to bees, while others realize living at a healthy weight takes discipline. We all make choices, some are objectively poor ones. Good luck with yours.

2 hours ago, IFB DOG said:

Why is this concept so hard for people, who claim to be so intelligent, to understand? 

 

Why is it so hard for supposedly intelligent people to understand that you can't stop a virus if you only vaccinate the most vulnerable?

On 4/23/2021 at 11:36 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm wondering what the effects will be of putting J&J back on-line. I'd imagine a lot of people who are otherwise open to vaccination are not going to want that vaccine.

@we_gotta_believe, I was kinda throwing this out there hoping you might give a take. Thoughts? Is resumption likely to reduce the amount of people willing to be vaccinated?

Spoke to a friend who just said she was 12 days in the hospital almost put on a ventilator.   You can still hear it in her voice and has a mild cough still.  Slowly getting her brain and strength back. She has no underlying conditions, is not on any meds, and is a healthy weight. She’s still on steroids and has her follow up appts scheduled.  
 

Is it safe for me to pick her up this week for dinner?  Outside of course. Meeting 2 others. 

24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

@we_gotta_believe, I was kinda throwing this out there hoping you might give a take. Thoughts? Is resumption likely to reduce the amount of people willing to be vaccinated?

Who knows. I'd like to think that people who are afraid of needles will be more likely to opt for a single dose vaccine, but then there are those that might see it as a concern that "big pharma" paid off the FDA. So maybe it's a wash or a marginal difference either way? Tough to predict.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, you tubby moron, this is real simple: Every individual weighs the benefit against the risk. You don't think kids should be vaccinated? Good for you, nobody gives a flying F. When and if you have kids, you're free to make that decision for yours.

I, on the other hand, realize that even though it's very rare for kids to get infected and have adverse outcomes from covid, it's far more rare that they'll have an adverse outcome from getting vaccinated. Hence my assessment of the benefit outweighing the risk, and my kids will be getting it as soon as they're eligible. 

Also, as far as underlying conditions go, you don't always know if you have them. Last summer, one of my daughter's best friends passed out while playing outside and doctors diagnosed her with vasovagal syncope. Now I doubt her particular condition is much of a risk factor for covid, but the point is, you have to consider all factors, even potentially unknown ones, and make the best choice you feel comfortable with. 

Your choice to date has been to stuff your face until it's puffy so that people mistake you for someone who's allergic to bees, while others realize living at a healthy weight takes discipline. We all make choices, some are objectively poor ones. Good luck with yours.

Go figure. You have nothing, so you attack my weight. Which is down to 175.2 from nearly 188 less than two months ago. So go F yourself. 

And I have a 3 year old and a 3 month old. 

AND YOU ARE AN F'ING LIAR. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS AFFECTS SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED.

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Why is it so hard for supposedly intelligent people to understand that you can't stop a virus if you only vaccinate the most vulnerable?

You manage it. You'll never stop it.

4 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

Go figure. You have nothing, so you attack my weight. Which is down to 175.2 from nearly 188 less than two months ago. So go F yourself. 

And I have a 3 year old and a 3 month old. 

AND YOU ARE AN F'ING LIAR. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS AFFECTS SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED.

You manage it. You'll never stop it.

You said in your post after an EUA was given. If you think the FDA hands those out without first studying it on the target age group, then you're even dumber than I thought, tons o' fun.

4 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

How do we know you are not an obese midget   jk.  

29 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Spoke to a friend who just said she was 12 days in the hospital almost put on a ventilator.   You can still hear it in her voice and has a mild cough still.  Slowly getting her brain and strength back. She has no underlying conditions, is not on any meds, and is a healthy weight. She’s still on steroids and has her follow up appts scheduled.  
 

Is it safe for me to pick her up this week for dinner?  Outside of course. Meeting 2 others. 

If she's more than 14 days out, then it's very unlikely she's still infectious. If you got your second dose more than 2 weeks ago, then you are good to go.

13 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

You manage it. You'll never stop it.

Ok, and you can't effectively manage it by only vaccinating the most vulnerable.

23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Ok, and you can't effectively manage it by only vaccinating the most vulnerable.

Lmfao. Yes, you can. That's the exact definition of managing a virus and subsequent disease with a 99.5% recovery rate in non vulnerable populations.

 

You can vaccinate EVERYONE and people are still going to die. It's just as natural as being born. You can't vaccinate against death.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Who knows. I'd like to think that people who are afraid of needles will be more likely to opt for a single dose vaccine, but then there are those that might see it as a concern that "big pharma" paid off the FDA. So maybe it's a wash or a marginal difference either way? Tough to predict.

I’m terrified of needles and jumped at the first chance to get the vaccine. Didn’t matter if it was 2 shots or 1