For those of you with kids who think your kids getting covid is NBD...

The study — as yet unpublished and not peer reviewed, shared on the preprint platform medRxiv — analyzed the health data of a cohort of 129 children diagnosed with COVID-19 between March and November 2020 in Italy.

Of these, 52.7% reported experiencing at least one symptom of COVID-19 at 120 days (approximately 4 months) or more after the initial diagnosis

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-and-children-the-unseen-casualties-of-covid-19

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

For those of you with kids who think your kids getting covid is NBD...

The study — as yet unpublished and not peer reviewed, shared on the preprint platform medRxiv — analyzed the health data of a cohort of 129 children diagnosed with COVID-19 between March and November 2020 in Italy.

Of these, 52.7% reported experiencing at least one symptom of COVID-19 at 120 days (approximately 4 months) or more after the initial diagnosis

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-and-children-the-unseen-casualties-of-covid-19

My 23 year old daughter, who moved out about 2 years ago when she got out of college, is a pre school teacher and contracted COVID back in November. She is still experiencing long term symptoms from it including dizziness, shortness of breath and memory issues. She is currently on disability and has been part of a study for it. Not sure why it happened to her as she was young, in shape and healthy. She seems like she is getting better, but her memory issues is the most concerning, especially being a preschool teacher.

This thing is no joke.

Just now, pallidrone said:

My 23 year old daughter, who moved out about 2 years ago when she got out of college, is a pre school teacher and contracted COVID back in November. She is still experiencing long term symptoms from it including dizziness, shortness of breath and memory issues. She is currently on disabilityand has been part of a study for it. Not sure why it happened to her as she was young, in shape and healthy. She seems like she is getting better, but her memory issues is the most concerning, especially being a preschool teacher.

This thing is no joke.

Yeah I feel like I say this ten times a week, but while we have learned quite a bit in the last 14 months, there's still so much about the pathology of the disease we still don't know. The effects are systemic, highly variable, but most of all, still poorly understood. All we know is that anything with ACE2 receptors is vulnerable. Hopefully your daughter gets better soon. My one buddy said he's slowly starting to get his sense of taste back after 7 months or so.

If you guys are trying to scare people into getting the vaccine, you are wasting your time

 

Another reason why the healthy need to care about their fellow man and get vaxxed.

 

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Coronavirus vaccines may not work in some people. It’s because of their underlying conditions.

Early research shows that 15 to 80 percent of people with certain medical conditions, such as specific blood cancers or organ transplants, are generating few antibodies after receiving coronavirus vaccines.

Maria Hoffman feels as though she has been left behind. Her adopted hometown of Charleston, S.C., is hopping — with restaurants and bars fully open, park concerts in full swing and maskless friends reuniting with hugs on streets.

Hoffman, 39, is fully vaccinated and eager to rejoin the world. But as a kidney transplant patient, she is hesitant to participate for fear of becoming infected. "Risk is very different for people in my situation,” she said. "I am 100 percent acting like I am not immunized.”

The state worker is among millions of immunocompromised Americans, about 3 to 4 percent of the U.S. population, for whom the shots may not work fully, or at all, and who are unsure of their place in a country that is increasingly opening up. Emerging research shows that 15 to 80 percent of those with certain conditions, such as specific blood cancers or who have had organ transplants, are generating few antibodies.

Federal health officials’ decision last week to rescind almost all masking and distancing recommendations for those who are fully vaccinated only added to the sense of fear, isolation and confusion for those with immune issues. On Twitter and other social media platforms, many such patients expressed frustration that the change might leave them with less — not more — freedom as their risk of infection grows as more of their neighbors and co-workers ditch their masks.

Hoffman, who has been advised by her doctors to act as though she never got the shots, recounted how she visited a grocery store Thursday but became anxious and left after a maskless man struck up a conversation.

"I wear my mask out of respect for others, and for those who are sick,” she said. "If you aren’t wearing a mask, we can’t make you now.”

Vaccine makers excluded immunocompromised people from their clinical trials in an understandable rush to develop a way to protect as many people as quickly as possible. As a result, there’s limited information about how this group is reacting to the shots, as well as to the loosening of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention restrictions.

The ability of such patients to fend off the novel coronavirus is not just a footnote in the pandemic involving one unlucky group — but potentially a critical part of the narrative about how new, more contagious variants are continuing to emerge worldwide.

The interaction between immunocompromised people and the virus is perhaps one of the pandemic’s most fraught questions. Case studies have detailed how some patients can have active infections for many months — resulting in questions about whether they can act as incubators for mutations that lead to new variants and underscoring the need for an effective vaccine strategy not just for their sake, but for the greater good.

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky and White House adviser Anthony S. Fauci highlighted the challenges of such patients and the vaccines in a recent news briefing in which they acknowledged that the first documented case of the so-called New York variant, B. 1.526, was found in a patient with advanced AIDS.

"Early studies actually show that these variants could emerge in a single host — in a single immunocompromised host,” Walensky said.

But neither the federal government nor vaccine makers Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna has stepped up to do a comprehensive study about whether the vaccines protect people with immune issues. As such, most of the research has been conducted piecemeal in academic centers — and many are reaching differing, sometimes conflicting, conclusions.

Early data suggest that the vaccines offer some protection, although perhaps to a lesser degree, for most patients with HIV and autoimmune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis. But there’s worry about people with blood cancers and transplant recipients. Some of the weakened response appears to be related to certain immunosuppressive drugs, and potentially a commonly prescribed steroid.

"The overwhelming majority of transplant patients, even after a second dose of the vaccine, appear to have suboptimal protection — if any protection — from the vaccine, which is frightening, disappointing and a bit surprising,” said Dorry Segev, a researcher at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

For most of the pandemic, Segev said, it was rare to see transplant recipients get sick with covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, because they had been so careful about staying at home. But that changed over the past two months, with newly infected patients now coming in at a pace of nearly one each day, he said.

Many tell the same story: After being fully vaccinated, they had finally ventured out for a meal, reunited with family members or otherwise relaxed their social distancing precautions.

"We expected a slightly blunted effect,” Segev said, "not something this stark.”

The good news, he and other researchers say, is that scientists are prepared with some potential solutions, such as boosters or high-dose shots. They just need to scramble to study them so they can offer them as soon as possible.

Immune mystery

The body’s immune system can be a capricious thing.

It can serve as a defensive shield one minute, and then shift into overdrive the next and attack itself. Many scientists believe that figuring out the puzzle of how the different components work together and how to control them is one of the holy grails of medicine that could lead to cures for many of the ills that plague humanity.

From studying other vaccines, for instance, they know that age and underlying conditions can be factors. People older than 65 have been shown to produce 50 to 75 percent fewer antibodies in response to flu shots than their younger counterparts, which is why manufacturers produce a high-dose version for them. HIV patients often receive three hepatitis B shots, instead of two.

Given this knowledge, some differences in the coronavirus vaccine response of immunocompromised people were expected.

Most of the work has looked at only one facet of the immune response — the creation of antibodies, which are simple to measure with a blood test. Studies have mostly focused on the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna because they are most widely used.

At the University of California at San Francisco, Monica Gandhi and her colleagues found that HIV patients seem to produce fewer antibodies on average, but she is optimistic that the amount is sufficient to protect most people.

But compared to, say, the heart, researchers’ understanding of the immune system is still limited. They’ve long known, for example, that vaccines work better in some people than others but they are still trying to figure out why.

She said one recent study showed that another arm of the immune system — T cells, or the white blood cells that fight infection — appear to respond to the vaccines similarly in both HIV patients and those without the disease.

"With the antibody response being blunted, but the T-cell response not, it may mean more susceptibility to mild infection, but not likely severe disease,” she said.

Gandhi said that although more research is needed, the strong T-cell response may reflect how many people with HIV in the United States are quite healthy because they are treated with retroviral drugs. She said the situation may be different in Africa and other parts of the world for those not on treatment. She said she gave one of her vaccinated patients who had zero antibody response an extra dose of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine.

For most of her patients, however, she said she has "no concerns yet.”

"We are a very tightknit HIV community. We all talk, and would know if we were seeing a lot of breakthrough infections,” she said. "But fortunately we are not.”

‘Disheartening’

The results have been more disappointing for some other types of immunocompromised patients.

Mounzer Agha, a hematologist at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and lead author of a study on blood cancers and the vaccines posted online before peer review, described how crushed he felt when he saw the low antibody results for nearly half of the 67 patients his group tracked.

Patients on treatments that impact B-cell function appeared to have the weakest results. That made sense to him because B cells produce antibodies.

But the data also contained what he called an "unwelcome surprise”: Patients with a condition known as chronic lymphocytic leukemia had a very weak response even if they were not undergoing treatment. The condition, which affects the blood and bone marrow, can sometimes be asymptomatic.

"When I found patients who had never received therapy still did not respond to the vaccine, that was very disheartening,” he said. "Now what are you going to do for these individuals?”

Agha said his clinic has been scrambling to reassess care plans in the context of the pandemic. Some patients who are more stable are taking cancer treatment "holidays” while they get the vaccine; others have opted to forgo the shots.

"The information has come out so recently that there are no clinical guidelines, and decisions have to be made on a case-by-case basis on the fly,” he said.

Agha said he fears that for some patients, the vaccines may never work even at higher doses, and that they will have to rely on the inoculation of those around them for their safety.

"Everyone should get the vaccine for the sake of their loved ones,” he urged. "Everyone knows someone who has cancer. And if you care about that person, you should get the vaccine and tell your friends to get it.”

As for transplant patients, the early data are also concerning: A May 5 study published in JAMA found that 46 percent of 658 transplant patients did not mount an antibody response after two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.

"Although this study demonstrates an improvement in … antibody responses in transplant recipients after dose two … these data suggest that a substantial proportion of transplant recipients likely remain at risk for covid-19 after 2 doses of mRNA vaccine,” the researchers wrote. They think this lack of reaction is probably a result of the immunosuppressive drugs they take.

Segev, a co-author, said that although antibody reaction is only part of the picture, "knowing what we know about immunosuppression, I would be surprised if transplant patients who had no antibody response had a robust T-cell response.”

"The irony of it all is transplant patients were being very, very careful,” he said, adding: "It’s a very scary problem.”

In St. Louis, Washington University’s Alfred Kim said that although the majority of patients with autoimmune conditions who were studied are mounting a healthy antibody response, about 15 percent had very blunted or undetectable antibody responses. The participants in the study had a wide range of illnesses, including inflammatory bowel disease, systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

The original study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, was based on 133 people, but it has now grown to more than 300, with similar results.

As with the blood cancer study, many of those most severely affected were on B-cell depleting medications, such as rituximab, used to treat certain autoimmune diseases and cancer, or ocrelizumab, a newer drug for multiple sclerosis.

Patients taking drugs for rheumatoid arthritis were likely to have a moderately reduced response.

Kim, an assistant professor in the division of rheumatology, said one perplexing finding is that steroid use also appeared to diminish the vaccine response. Although he cautioned that only a small number of patients were involved, he said prednisone, which is used to treat such conditions as arthritis in adults and breathing difficulties in children, appeared to result in a tenfold reduction in antibody production, regardless of the dose given if administered around the time of the vaccine.

"Right now, we’re telling them to pretend they weren’t vaccinated,” Kim said. "That is the easiest solution but it’s only a short-term one. The step beyond is: What do we do to mitigate this?”

Boosting immunity

Numerous potential solutions for the immunocompromised are being debated. One simple idea is to provide one or more booster shots for those with weak responses. So an immunocompromised person might get three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, instead of two.

Another possibility is to try preventive doses of lab-produced antibody proteins known as monoclonal antibodies that until now have been mostly used as treatments for those who are infected with the coronavirus.

One thing doctors don’t recommend is for vaccinated people to get antibody tests. First of all, no one knows what levels of antibodies are effective against the virus. Moreover, Kim emphasized that antibodies are only one part of the immune system and that it’s possible that the vaccines have activated other, more difficult-to-measure components.

"It’s not something that we can act on,” he said of such information. "All it can do is mount worries for the patient.”

Many physicians urge immunocompromised patients to continue to practice social distancing and take other precautions.

Seville Christian, 60, an HIV-positive substance abuse counselor in San Francisco, has been working in person through the pandemic and said she plans to continue to do so.

But she said optional social outings will remain off the table. Even though she planned to get her second shot May 12, she will go to restaurants only for takeout, meet friends virtually and minimize her time in stores until the science is clearer.

She’s still weighing whether return to her to church, fully masked, when it reopens.

"I wish I could go back to normal, but there are still a lot of questions I have,” Christian said.

Hoffman, too, is struggling to navigate the new normal in Charleston. After having a kidney transplant at age 9 and spending most of her childhood in hospitals, she is acutely aware of her mortality. So she said she tries to find the right balance between living her life and staying safe.

When a friend gets married in Ohio in a few weeks, she hopes to go and participate in the outdoor events. She is also talking to friends about reserving a socially distant spot for an outdoor band performance. But otherwise, she’s continuing to keep her distance from others.

"I just love talking to people and meeting people,” she said. "It has been crazy and lonely.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/18/immunocompromised-coronavirus-vaccines-response/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F326c839%2F60a3e9bc9d2fdae30255101e%2F6044e9e5ade4e266bdcae24c%2F7%2F70%2F60a3e9bc9d2fdae30255101e

 

 

20 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

The irony of that guy calling people idiots 🤡🌏

21 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

replace hat with glasses but the general message is on point

4 hours ago, Paul852 said:

Fixing Texas? Is there nothing Biden can't do? Too easy.

Liberalism is a cult exhibit 4,752,934

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Liberalism is a cult exhibit 4,752,934

The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/amp

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Reality is far messier, with particles much larger than 5 microns staying afloat and behaving like aerosols, depending on heat, humidity, and airspeed.

 

8 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Yup, no contraindication to it.  Wife got it in her first trimester too.  But a lot of pregnant women are hesitant because of the lack of specific studies on its effect on pregnant women, even though physiologically it shouldn't be much different than other non-live vaccines.  Good for your niece for getting it!  It can be really dangerous to pregnant women.

Until that becomes "is not any", why do you question hesitancy? 

1 hour ago, IFB DOG said:

Until that becomes "is not any", why do you question hesitancy? 

Because in pregnant women the risks of servere complications increases significantly if you catch COVID.  You're weighing risk of very real and documented consequences against hypothetical vaccine side effects that current medical data doesn't corroborate. 

https://sorendreier.com/1000-lawyers-and-10000-doctors-have-filed-a-lawsuit-for-violations-of-the-nuremberg-code/

1,000 Lawyers and 10,000 Doctors Have Filed a Lawsuit for Violations of the Nuremberg Code

Background to the new Nuremberg Trials 2021 :

A large team of more than 1,000 lawyers and over 10,000 medical experts, led by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, has initiated legal proceedings against the CDC, WHO and the Davos Group for crimes against humanity. 

Fuellmich and his team present the incorrect PCR test and the order for doctors to describe any comorbidity death as a Covid death – as fraud.

The PCR test was never designed to detect pathogens and is 100% inaccurate at 35 cycles. All PCR tests monitored by the CDC are set at 37 to 45 cycles. The CDC acknowledges that tests over 28 cycles are not allowed for a positive reliable result.

This invalidates over 90% of the alleged Covid cases / "infections” detected by the use of this incorrect test.

In addition to the incorrect tests and fraudulent death certificates, the "experimental” vaccine itself violates Article 32 of the Geneva Convention. 

Under Article 32 of the 1949 Geneva Convention, "mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not required for the medical treatment of a protected person” are prohibited. 

According to Article 147, conducting biological experiments on protected persons is a serious breach of the Convention.

The "experimental” vaccine violates all 10 Nuremberg codes – which carry the death penalty for those who try to break these international laws.

1) Provides immunity to the virus

This is a "leaky” gene therapy that does not provide immunity to Covid and claims that they reduce the symptoms, but double-vaccinated are now 60% of patients who need ER or ICU with covid infections.

2) Protects the recipients from getting the virus

This gene therapy does not provide immunity and the double vaccine can still catch and spread the virus.

3) Reduces deaths due to viral infection

This gene therapy does not reduce deaths from the infection. Double-vaccinated people infected with Covid have also died.

4) Reduces the circulation of the virus

This gene therapy still allows the virus to spread because it gives zero immunity to the virus.

5) Reduces the transmission of the virus

This gene therapy still allows transmission of the virus because it does not confer immunity to the virus.

The following violations of the Nuremberg Code apply:

Nuremberg Code # 1: Voluntary consent is important

No person should be forced to take a medical experiment without informed consent. 

Many media, political and non-medical people urge people to take the injection. 

They do not provide information about the negative effects or dangers of this gene therapy. All you hear from them is – "safe and effective” and "the benefits outweigh the risks.” 

Countries use blockades, coercion and threats to force people to take this vaccine or are banned from participating in free society under the mandate of a vaccine pass or Green Pass. 

During the Nuremberg trials, the media were also prosecuted and members were killed for lying to the public, along with many of the doctors and NSDAPs found guilty of crimes against humanity.

Nuremberg Code # 2: Yields with fruitful results that cannot be produced by other means

As mentioned above, gene therapy does not meet the criteria for a vaccine and does not offer immunity to the virus. There are other medical treatments that give fruitful results against Covid, such as Ivermectin, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc and strengthened immune system for flu and colds.

Nuremberg Code # 3: Basic experiments as a result of animal experiments and natural history disease

This gene therapy skipped animal experiments and went directly to human experiments. 

In mRNA research used by Pfizer – a candidate study on mRNA with rhesus macaques monkeys using BNT162b2 mRNA and in that study all monkeys developed pneumonia but the researchers considered the risk low because these were young healthy monkeys from 2-4 years of age. 

Israel has used Pfizer and the International Court of Justice has accepted a requirement that 80% of recipients with pneumonia should be injected with this gene therapy. 

Despite this alarming development, Pfizer continued to develop its mRNA for Covid, without animal testing.

Nuremberg Code # 4: Avoid all unnecessary suffering and injury

Since the launch of the experiment and listed under the CDC VAERS reporting system, over 4,000 deaths and 50,000 vaccine injuries have been reported in the United States. In the EU, more than 7,000 deaths and 365,000 vaccine injuries have been reported. This is a serious violation of this code.

Nuremberg Code # 5: No experiment should be performed if there is reason to believe that injury or death will occur

See No. 4, based on fact-based medical data, this gene therapy causes death and injury. Previous research on mRNA also shows several risks that have been ignored for this current experimental gene experiment. A 2002 study of SARS-CoV-1 nail proteins showed that they cause inflammation, immunopathology, blood clots and inhibit Angiotensin 2 expression. This experiment forces the body to produce this nail protein that inherits all these risks.

Nuremberg Code # 6: The risk should never exceed the benefit

Covid-19 has a recovery rate of 98-99%. Vaccine damage, death, and adverse side effects of mRNA gene therapy far outweigh this risk. 

The use of "leaky” vaccines was banned for agricultural use by the US and the EU due to the Marek Chicken study which shows "hot viruses” and variants appear… make the disease even more deadly. 

Nevertheless, this has been ignored for human use by the CDC aware that the risk of new, more deadly variants arises from leaky vaccinations. The CDC is fully aware that the use of leaky vaccines facilitates the emergence of hotter (more deadly) strains. Yet they have ignored this when it comes to humans

Nuremberg Code # 7: Preparations must be made for even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death

No preparations were made. This gene therapy skipped animal experiments. The pharmaceutical companies’ own clinical phase 3 studies will not end until 2022/2023. These vaccines were approved in an emergency

Use only action to force on a misinformed public. They are NOT FDA approved.

Nuremberg Code # 8: Experiments must be carried out by scientifically qualified persons

Politicians, the media and actors who claim that this is a safe and effective vaccine are not qualified. Propaganda is not medical science. 

Many stores such as Walmart & drive-through vaccine centers are not qualified to administer experimental medical gene therapies to the uninformed public.

Nuremberg Code # 9: Everyone must have the freedom to end the experiment at any time

Despite the call from over 85,000 doctors, nurses, virologists and epidemiologists – the experiment does not end. In fact, there are currently many attempts to change laws to enforce vaccine compliance. 

This includes mandatory and mandatory vaccinations. Experimental "sprayers” are planned every six months without using the growing number of deaths and injuries already caused by this experiment. 

These update images will be administered without any clinical trials. Hopefully, this new Nuremberg trial will put an end to this crime against humanity.

Nuremberg Code # 10: The researcher must terminate the experiment at any time if there is a probable cause for injury or death

It is clear from statistical reporting data that this experiment leads to death and injury. But not all politicians, pharmaceutical companies and so-called experts make any attempt to stop this gene therapy experiment from harming a misinformed public.

Legal proceedings are progressing, evidence has been gathered and a large growing group of experts is sounding the alarm.

In other news: CDC director and 2nd in command have abruptly retired?

"Abruptly"? She is leaving in 90 days, I heard.

Idk, as much as a conspiracy could grow, she put 33 years in. And after the stress of COVID, and the fact that it seems over, maybe she's just done?

Sounds like the most reasonable answer.

"Dr." Reiner Fuellmich (he's a lawyer, not a medical doctor ) is a fraud. The basis of his argument against the PCR test is simply false. It's pseudo-scientific nonsense that cannot even be disproven because the claims don't make sense.

Stick to beer.

 

In case anyone else might be in need, Walgreens offers free ID NOW rapid testing, which is valid for travel to Hawaii. I'm told that the government pays for it if insurance doesn't cover it. I'm gonna have to drive to Lancaster, but still better than paying $139 for a PCR test at CVS and waiting several days for results.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

In case anyone else might be in need, Walgreens offers free ID NOW rapid testing, which is valid for travel to Hawaii. I'm told that the government pays for it if insurance doesn't cover it. I'm gonna have to drive to Lancaster, but still better than paying $139 for a PCR test at CVS and waiting several days for results.

I suppose that's true for the poors

14 hours ago, matchew88 said:

In other news: CDC director and 2nd in command have abruptly retired?

Trump retired too...

 

Oh wait nevermind, he was fired.

28 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I suppose that's true for the poors @Joe Shades 73 and @IFB DOG

FYP

26 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I suppose that's true for the poors

Wealth Challenged 

7 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Wealth Challenged 

I knew I should have copyrighted that. More income...