June 11, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: How many kids 17 and under have died from Covid? Infinitely more than have died from the vaccine.
June 11, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Infinitely more than have died from the vaccine. You may be right, but deaths are currently being investigated, so, until those investigations are completed, the claim is invalid. I lean towards the vaccines being safe enough for kids 12-17, but give that belief less margin for error than with adults.
June 11, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: You may be right, but deaths are currently being investigated, so, until those investigations are completed, the claim is invalid. I lean towards the vaccines being safe enough for kids 12-17, but give that belief less margin for error than with adults. Cool, can we do hospitalizations now, or nah? How about incidence rate of MIS-C? Long-term pulmonary issues? Or even more benign things like loss of sense of taste and smell? How often do those crop up in vaccinated kids? "Sorry you're still dealing with issues from covid 6 months later little Johnny, but Daddy's political allegiance was more important than your health. Surely you understand, right?"
June 11, 20215 yr Alex Berenson? The Pandemic's Wrongest Man? 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Interesting data: "More restrictions in a state is NOT correlated with fewer COVID-19 deaths." 🚨 really weird that the states that were hit the hardest by COVID also had the most restrictions. maybe it's high covid case and death counts that caused restrictions? nah, must just be that we're overstating a pandemic that only killed 600k Americans.
June 11, 20215 yr 48 minutes ago, Kz! said: Can you pull the quote where I said that, little guy? Little man?
June 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Yuck. I am old enough, my chicken pox "vaccine" was when somebody in elementary school caught it, we all had a sleepover party. Then everybody was out of school for like 2 weeks. We were told the illness is milder in younger children. I had a couple of friends who caught chicken pox in high school, it really sucked for them. Nothing you can do about scarlet fever. Scarlet fever was an interesting experience. I got strep throat really bad my senior year of high school, and my first two years of college. My second year of college I got it really bad, sick as a dog, then after I get over it, I got scarlet fever, then two weeks after that I had an allergic reaction to penicillin and got to the ER as my throat was almost swollen closed. Weird part, I have never had strep throat since. Any doctor I tell that to, gives me a confused look.
June 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Can you pull the quote where I said that, little guy? "Stop laughing! I didn't actually think it was true, guys, I was just asking questions. Please believe me!"
June 11, 20215 yr Guys, it's okay to acknowledge and discuss issues with vaccines, and that comes from someone that just got shot #2. Shutting down the conversation and basically stomping it out is a bit childish IMO. While the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low, I know I wouldn't want people down playing it if it happened to me.
June 11, 20215 yr there are risks in getting the vaccine. and there are risks in not getting the vaccine. there is ever changing scientific data that quantifies each of these risks & there's nothing wrong with looking at this data before making up your mind. only looking at half of the picture and only using the data that supports your politics...yeah, that's dumb.
June 11, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Guys, it's okay to acknowledge and discuss issues with vaccines, and that comes from someone that just got shot #2. Shutting down the conversation and basically stomping it out is a bit childish IMO. While the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low, I know I wouldn't want people down playing it if it happened to me. Suck myodeekitis, Michael Gay Fox!
June 11, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: there are risks in getting the vaccine. and there are risks in not getting the vaccine. there is ever changing scientific data that quantifies each of these risks & there's nothing wrong with looking at this data before making up your mind. only looking at half of the picture and using the data that supports your politics...yeah, that's dumb. Common sense. Didn’t know you had it in you, Bernie Sanders!
June 11, 20215 yr Just now, bobeph said: Common sense. Didn’t know you had it in you, Bernie Sanders! big fat deeks. i knew you had it in you. marcia gay hardon!
June 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Dawkins 20 said: Guys, it's okay to acknowledge and discuss issues with vaccines, and that comes from someone that just got shot #2. Shutting down the conversation and basically stomping it out is a bit childish IMO. While the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low, I know I wouldn't want people down playing it if it happened to me. Likewise, you wouldn't want someone downplaying the risks of covid if your kid was suffering long-term symptoms from it. In adults, studies peg the proportion who experience prolonged difficulties at 1 in 3 Covid patients, but there is a vanishingly small set of numbers about children. Experts told STAT they’ve all looked at one research paper from Rome that studied 129 patients from 2 to 18 years old, as well as data on about 9,000 children and adolescents from the U.K.’s health system. From that small base, they surmise a plausible range from 7% to 20%. In the U.S., nearly 4 million children and adolescents under 18 have tested positive for Covid https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/as-more-kids-get-long-covid-doctors-still-cant-predict-who-is-at-risk/
June 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: there are risks in getting the vaccine. and there are risks in not getting the vaccine. there is ever changing scientific data that quantifies each of these risks & there's nothing wrong with looking at this data before making up your mind. only looking at half of the picture and using the data that supports your politics...yeah, that's dumb. That's what I've done and what everyone should do. The data, of course, also happens to be what the FDA and ACIP will base their decisions on.
June 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: "Stop laughing! I didn't actually think it was true, guys, I was just asking questions. Please believe me!" lol and of course you didn't quote anything because in addition to being a small, pathetic human, you're also a liar. Hate to see it!
June 11, 20215 yr 14 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Second COVID test came back negative (Thanks, Pfizer!, and thanks Uncle Joe). Flying to Kauai today FYP
June 11, 20215 yr So fed up now. Our restrictions are due to be extended beyond the original lifting date of 21 June. We aren't getting out of this in the next few years.
June 11, 20215 yr How many people with adverse effects from the vaccine would have had equal or worse adverse effects from getting Covid? That’s the real question, because essentially this is an opportunity cost. No way to really know the answer to this, but I have to think someone who had issues from the vaccine would have more serious issues from Covid.
June 11, 20215 yr There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor.
June 11, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. Just do your research. There are plenty of Facebook posts and YouTube videos talking about the negative impacts of the vaccines.
June 11, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. Winner winner, chicken vindaloo dinner. If you prefer the advice of YouTubers over your doctor, I'm not sure a new doctor will help.
June 11, 20215 yr 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. Yep, and doctors, for the most part, are going to follow fda and cdc guidelines. And if you're unsure about following the guidelines and recommendations laid out by the national bodies, it's your doc's job to be informed of the latest research to help you quantify the risks. Same as any other vaccine, like for shingles, hpv, chicken pox, etc.
June 11, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said: Guys, it's okay to acknowledge and discuss issues with vaccines, and that comes from someone that just got shot #2. Shutting down the conversation and basically stomping it out is a bit childish IMO. While the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low, I know I wouldn't want people down playing it if it happened to me. Yep like I said, I plan to watch it closely particularly the studies in kids 12 and under. I got my shots as did my wife and many of our friends and family with their kids 12 and up with zero issues whatsoever. The problem I have is when someone takes 275 of 12.5 million and claims the vaccine is so deadly and we shouldn’t take it and they turn that into "see I told you the gubment was injecting you with poison to control you and the rest of the sheep.” The cdc plans to meet if they haven’t already. It wasn’t a pressing of the emergency stop button. Nothing is being paused. They aren’t pulling it. But there are some people here and in my fb friends that are making this a political issue out of it, as usual. And then they’re being all hypocritical about it by saying us vaccinated people are ignoring the science showing the negative side effects of 275 people while they ignore the science of well over 120 million successful vaccinations. Oh the irony! 😂 I’m told to go demand suramin from my doctor which will negate the vaccine by kicking out the protective proteins. Suramin is an experimental drug being tested to treat autism. You know that thing that these anti science anti vaccine crap for brains people say is caused by vaccinations. These are the geniuses we’re dealing with.
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