There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. 

Just do your research. There are plenty of Facebook posts and YouTube videos talking about the negative impacts of the vaccines. 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. 

Winner winner, chicken vindaloo dinner.

If you prefer the advice of YouTubers over your doctor, I'm not sure a new doctor will help.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is a much larger point -- most people AREN'T DOCTORS. Everyone is out there trying to act like they have any clue what these sensationalist headlines mean and falling for them. The number of people who became virologists in the last 12 months is akin to the number of imbeciles who became financial market experts in 2008. SPOILER ALERT -- you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Talk to your doctor and evaluate your situation with someone knowledgeable who knows your family. If you don't trust your doctor -- get a new doctor. 

Yep, and doctors, for the most part, are going to follow fda and cdc guidelines. And if you're unsure about following the guidelines and recommendations laid out by the national bodies, it's your doc's job to be informed of the latest research to help you quantify the risks. Same as any other vaccine, like for shingles, hpv, chicken pox, etc. 

2 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Guys, it's okay to acknowledge and discuss issues with vaccines, and that comes from someone that just got shot #2. Shutting down the conversation and basically stomping it out is a bit childish IMO. While the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low, I know I wouldn't want people down playing it if it happened to me.

Yep like I said, I plan to watch it closely particularly the studies in kids 12 and under.  I got my shots as did my wife and many of our friends and family with their kids 12 and up with zero issues whatsoever.  The problem I have is when someone takes 275 of 12.5 million and claims the vaccine is so deadly and we shouldn’t take it and they turn that into "see I told you the gubment was injecting you with poison to control you and the rest of the sheep.”  The cdc plans to meet if they haven’t already. It wasn’t a pressing of the emergency stop button. Nothing is being paused. They aren’t pulling it.  But there are some people here and in my fb friends that are making this a political issue out of it, as usual.  And then they’re being all hypocritical about it by saying us vaccinated people are ignoring the science showing the negative side effects of 275 people while they ignore the science of well over 120 million successful vaccinations. Oh the irony! 😂  I’m told to go demand suramin from my doctor which will negate the vaccine by kicking out the protective proteins.  Suramin is an experimental drug being tested to treat autism. You know that thing that these anti science anti vaccine crap for brains people say is caused by vaccinations.  These are the geniuses we’re dealing with.  

1 hour ago, TEW said:

How many people with adverse effects from the vaccine would have had equal or worse adverse effects from getting Covid?

That’s the real question, because essentially this is an opportunity cost. No way to really know the answer to this, but I have to think someone who had issues from the vaccine would have more serious issues from Covid.

Yes, I agree.... people who have severe reactions to the vaccine, I think they would fare worse if they had faced the virus without being vaccinated.

Unless you plan to spend the rest of your life in a bubble, everyone will be exposed to coronavirus at some point in their lives. It is inevitable at this point. So do you want to face it after being vaccinated, or not?

Oh trust me I get it, I see idiots spewing their garbage all the time. I have a couple of people on Facebook that do it constantly but I can't bring myself to block them because it's so ridiculous that it's borderline entertaining. I just feel like it's a good thing to discuss all aspects as long as everyone involved is being factual.

The myocarditis issue hits close to home for me as I have dilated cardiomyopathy (family history unfortunately). Like TEW said though, it's all about opportunity cost and I decided the minuscule chance of heart inflammation via vaccination was still better than getting Covid with a heart condition. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't something that I was at least slightly concerned about, but I don't think that's a totally unreasonable stance to take given my situation. In the end I've got both shots and haven't fell over..... yet.

I just watched a guy checking out at a store took his credit card out of his wallet, put it in his mouth while he fished around in his wallet for other things, then inserted his slobbery covid suit credit card into the reader and punched in his pin.  If there’s ever a person who needs to wear a mask, it’s that one. If he was wearing a mask, he would have prevented Oakley hood of spreading his diseases all over the credit card terminal and the next person in line.  😂 

21 minutes ago, toolg said:

Yes, I agree.... people who have severe reactions to the vaccine, I think they would fare worse if they had faced the virus without being vaccinated.

It's interesting because that's my take too. I would think if you react to the vaccine by feeling flu like symptoms or ill then you'd be more likely to suffer effects if you were to get covid. But some people I've heard say that it's the opposite. That if you show side effects from the vaccine then that's your immune system doing its job. 

To me that doesn't make sense. I've had both jabs and didn't have any side effects. I rarely get ill because my immune system is pretty good and I'm a fit healthy individual. Surely there's a link there.

24 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Oh trust me I get it, I see idiots spewing their garbage all the time. I have a couple of people on Facebook that do it constantly but I can't bring myself to block them because it's so ridiculous that it's borderline entertaining. I just feel like it's a good thing to discuss all aspects as long as everyone involved is being factual.

The myocarditis issue hits close to home for me as I have dilated cardiomyopathy (family history unfortunately). Like TEW said though, it's all about opportunity cost and I decided the minuscule chance of heart inflammation via vaccination was still better than getting Covid with a heart condition. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't something that I was at least slightly concerned about, but I don't think that's a totally unreasonable stance to take given my situation. In the end I've got both shots and haven't fell over..... yet.

My wife has a heart Arythmia caused by an electrical issue in a part of her heart they cannot get to for catheter ablation without an extremely high risk of further damage and ultimately a pacemaker so yeah, I fully understand your concerns with the myocarditis. We factored that into our decision as well.  Her being a teacher, it was a no brainer to get vaccinated. The risk of myocarditis is pretty small.  We also don’t know why the 16-24 year olds age group has a higher number of reported cases yet.  For all we know the myocarditis could be caused by an interaction with all the chemicals from the vaping they do.  Funny how we shouldn’t vaccinate them because it’s dangerous, but we haven’t stopped selling them usb sticks to suck on. 

36 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Get the J&J one, oh wait that causes blood clots...don't let the crazies scare you

What a tool.

I am sure booger said something insightful but I will continue to ignore. Went to wawaw today one person out of 5 had a mask and the employees had them but not wearing them properly 

So 11.1% of people who died of coronavirus in Kentucky over the last 24 hours were vaccinated. Interesting. 

1 hour ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Oh trust me I get it, I see idiots spewing their garbage all the time. I have a couple of people on Facebook that do it constantly but I can't bring myself to block them because it's so ridiculous that it's borderline entertaining. I just feel like it's a good thing to discuss all aspects as long as everyone involved is being factual.

The myocarditis issue hits close to home for me as I have dilated cardiomyopathy (family history unfortunately). Like TEW said though, it's all about opportunity cost and I decided the minuscule chance of heart inflammation via vaccination was still better than getting Covid with a heart condition. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't something that I was at least slightly concerned about, but I don't think that's a totally unreasonable stance to take given my situation. In the end I've got both shots and haven't fell over..... yet.

Probably a good idea to take it easy and avoid exercise for a few days if you got your jab recently. 

32 minutes ago, DBW said:

My wife has a heart Arythmia caused by an electrical issue in a part of her heart they cannot get to for catheter ablation without an extremely high risk of further damage and ultimately a pacemaker so yeah, I fully understand your concerns with the myocarditis. We factored that into our decision as well.  Her being a teacher, it was a no brainer to get vaccinated. The risk of myocarditis is pretty small.  We also don’t know why the 16-24 year olds age group has a higher number of reported cases yet.  For all we know the myocarditis could be caused by an interaction with all the chemicals from the vaping they do.  Funny how we shouldn’t vaccinate them because it’s dangerous, but we haven’t stopped selling them usb sticks to suck on. 

What arrhythmia does she get if you don't mind me asking? I get bouts of ventricular tachycardia although it has improved quite a bit with medications (on both a beta blocker and ace inhibitor). There was some talk of doing an ablation but the medications have improved the VT so much that they're holding off. I maybe get one or two episodes a week now. A couple of years ago it was one or two episodes an hour.

That really sucks that they can't do an ablation on your wife. I had a cath lab angiogram done two years ago that confirmed no blockages, so hopefully if I ever need to go that route it's an option for me. All the best to you and the Mrs!

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Probably a good idea to take it easy and avoid exercise for a few days if you got your jab recently. 

Yep definitely taking it easy. This is going to just be a chill weekend around the pool with the kids.

14 minutes ago, Kz! said:

So 11.1% of people who died of coronavirus in Kentucky over the last 24 hours were vaccinated. Interesting. 

A quick search shows me Kentucky reported 12 deaths yesterday.  So 11.1% = 1.33 people.  A break through infection.  They happen.

Provide a link next time.  A reputable one.

1 minute ago, DiPros said:

A quick search shows me Kentucky reported 12 deaths yesterday.  So 11.1% = 1.33 people.  A break through infection.  They happen.

Provide a link next time.  A reputable one.

So the same as a snowballs chance in hell 

6 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Yep definitely taking it easy. This is going to just be a chill weekend around the pool with the kids.

Hot enough for the pool? It’s like 64 here now and rainy 

17 minutes ago, DiPros said:

A quick search shows me Kentucky reported 12 deaths yesterday.  So 11.1% = 1.33 people.  A break through infection.  They happen.

Provide a link next time.  A reputable one.

The most recent 24 hours... as in announced today. 

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article252048508.html

52 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

So the same as a snowballs chance in hell 

Hot enough for the pool? It’s like 64 here now and rainy 

It's 83 here. Supposed to be right around 78-80 all weekend. 

1 hour ago, Dawkins 20 said:

What arrhythmia does she get if you don't mind me asking? I get bouts of ventricular tachycardia although it has improved quite a bit with medications (on both a beta blocker and ace inhibitor). There was some talk of doing an ablation but the medications have improved the VT so much that they're holding off. I maybe get one or two episodes a week now. A couple of years ago it was one or two episodes an hour.

That really sucks that they can't do an ablation on your wife. I had a cath lab angiogram done two years ago that confirmed no blockages, so hopefully if I ever need to go that route it's an option for me. All the best to you and the Mrs!

She has SVT too which put her into Afib a few times. Almost needed shock paddles once before we figured it all out.  She had a EP study done where they found one of the trouble spots but couldn’t do anything at the time because they weren’t prepared to even find anything like that in a 30 year old.  Over the past 10 years or so she’s had 3 attempts at heat ablation.  Initially seemed to provide some relief but came almost immediately back.  Second attempt was the same and 3rd attempt they couldn’t get her into an arrhythmic state to map it.  But they did find that the main spot is very close the main nerve that feeds the heart so if they damaged it that would mean a pacemaker.  They even tried crossing over to the other aide of the heart during ablation which is risky to begin with.  Ultimately the docs didn’t want to risk it.  She’s on two medications to treat it.  But she has palpitations constantly multiple times a day.  She’s used to it now and the ablations at least did enough to prevent the 220 bpm and Afib. So we’re in a better spot but still frustrating for how young she is.  The important thing we always remind ourselves is it’s not life threatening.  There is a cryogenic ablation option but that’s so new they don’t know if it would do anything long term for her.  They’re Always developing new tech and ideas so we’re hopeful that someone will eventually figure out a solution. 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

The most recent 24 hours... as in announced today. 

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article252048508.html

There was literally nothing in there about 11%
all it said about deaths was 9 new deaths.  Nothing on whether they were vaccinated. 
 

can you even read? 

5 minutes ago, DBW said:

There was literally nothing in there about 11%
all it said about deaths was 9 new deaths.  Nothing on whether they were vaccinated. 
 

can you even read? 

That’s the math you learn at Trump UNiversity

13 minutes ago, DBW said:

There was literally nothing in there about 11%
all it said about deaths was 9 new deaths.  Nothing on whether they were vaccinated. 
 

can you even read? 

It did say that one person was vaccinated. I mean, whatever point he's trying to make with a sample size of 9 people is incredibly asinine but that's par for the course.

9 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

That’s the math you learn at Trump UNiversity

1÷9 = 11.1.

Look at me defending kz. Could I be any more moderate?