July 25, 20215 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Meh, it's just a mask. "Punishment..." how melodramatic of you It’s not just a mask at this point, they think that making everyone wear masks again is somehow going to change unvaxxed peoples mind. It won’t. The unvaxxed people also don’t want to wear masks either but they’ve figured that’s better than vaccination, so they’ll just wear their mask when necessary, but still go about spreading the virus when they don’t have to wear a mask. But all of us vaccinated people have to continue to wear a mask for what? Nothing! It’s illogical.
July 25, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: But all of us vaccinated people have to continue to wear a mask for what? Nothing! It’s illogical. I mean, with the pandemic still raging and each successive variant becoming exponentially more infective, it actually makes a lot of sense to keep masking indoors, even if you are fully vaccinated.
July 25, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I mean, with the pandemic still raging and each successive variant becoming exponentially more infective, it actually makes a lot of sense to keep masking indoors, even if you are fully vaccinated. 163 million vaccinated Americans. Less than 5600 breakthrough cases resulting in hospitalization or death. We don’t know the total number of breakthrough cases but just based off that info you can see it’s pretty rare. There’s no reason for vaccinated people to be forced to wear a mask. If they wanna force something, force the shot. Forcing a mask isn’t somehow better from a political standpoint. It’s still a govt forcing something on its people. It’s not any less damning.
July 25, 20215 yr Just now, DBW said: 163 million vaccinated Americans. Less than 5600 breakthrough cases resulting in hospitalization or death. We don’t know the total number of breakthrough cases but just based off that info you can see it’s pretty rare. There’s no reason for vaccinated people to be forced to wear a mask. If they wanna force something, force the shot. Forcing a mask isn’t somehow better from a political standpoint. It’s still a govt forcing something on its people. It’s not any less damning. Plus the flip flopping makes them look incompetent and like it or not Biden will get the blame, how is it goingn to look now if Biden and everyone in the White House is again wearing a mask? it is step backwards, it is a bad look.
July 25, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Plus the flip flopping makes them look incompetent and like it or not Biden will get the blame, how is it goingn to look now if Biden and everyone in the White House is again wearing a mask? it is step backwards, it is a bad look. It is indeed a bad look. But so are the rising numbers. He’s in a no win situation. And we are going to continue suffer.
July 25, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, DBW said: 163 million vaccinated Americans. Less than 5600 breakthrough cases resulting in hospitalization or death. We don’t know the total number of breakthrough cases but just based off that info you can see it’s pretty rare. They are rare, but with each mutation, they will become less rare, and with all the unvaccinated, unmasked morons freely spreading it amongst each other, they are serving as incubators for increasingly virulent variants. That's the thing: They're not just fueling the case levels; they're aiding the overall evolution of the virus. We could ultimately be at a point where the virus effectively escapes the vaccines if we don't clamp down. Then we're all screwed.
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, DBW said: It is indeed a bad look. But so are the rising numbers. He’s in a no win situation. And we are going to continue suffer. It is indeed a winnable situation. Vaccine mandates Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: They are rare, but with each mutation, they will become less rare, and with all the unvaccinated, unmasked morons freely spreading it amongst each other, they are serving as incubators for increasingly virulent variants. We could ultimately be at a point where the virus effectively escapes th vaccines if we don't clamp down. No proof of that really so far, just speculation
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: No proof of that really so far, just speculation That's just because of insufficient data. It's pretty logical, so I'm pretty confident this will be borne out by the data in due time.
July 25, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: They are rare, but with each mutation, they will become less rare, and with all the unvaccinated, unmasked morons freely spreading it amongst each other, they are serving as incubators for increasingly virulent variants. That's the thing: They're not just fueling the case levels; they're aiding the overall evolution of the virus. We could ultimately be at a point where the virus effectively escapes the vaccines if we don't clamp down. Then we're all screwed. I haven’t seen anything that says the vaccine isn’t effective vs the variants. That was the whole point in how this vaccine was such a breakthrough design, wasn’t it?
July 25, 20215 yr It really isn’t that hard. Announce tomorrow that Medicare and Medicaid will not cover COVID treatments for people who are eligible to be vaccinated and choose not to. Going back to mask mandates to protect idiots from the consequences of their bad decisions only enables idiots to make worse decisions.
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: That's just because of insufficient data. It's pretty logical, so I'm pretty confident this will be borne out by the data in due time. The only thing that matters are hospitalizations and death, the end game is reducing it to a flu for most people, there will always be risks, going to have to learn to deal with another minor risk in life in the long run, no other choice
July 25, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, DBW said: I haven’t seen anything that says the vaccine isn’t effective vs the variants. That was the whole point in how this vaccine was such a breakthrough design, wasn’t it? It is currently. There's no guarantee that that will hold, though, if it keeps reproducing and evolving at current levels. Regardless, it'd be best not to find out.
July 25, 20215 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: It is currently. There's no guarantee that that will hold, though, if it keeps reproducing and evolving at current levels, though. Regardless, it'd be best not to find out. And there is only 1 way to stop that, not lockdowns or masks, maybe we should elect roger goodell as President or head of the CDC
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It really isn’t that hard. Announce tomorrow that Medicare and Medicaid will not cover COVID treatments for people who are eligible to be vaccinated and choose not to. Going back to mask mandates to protect idiots from the consequences of their bad decisions only enables idiots to make worse decisions. This needs to happen, but as I've been saying, this isn't just about protecting idiots from themselves, at least not in my mind. It's about limiting the idiots' ability to serve as evolutionary reservoirs for the virus to perhaps mutate to a level that renders the vaccines significantly less effective or ultimately ineffective.
July 25, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It really isn’t that hard. Announce tomorrow that Medicare and Medicaid will not cover COVID treatments for people who are eligible to be vaccinated and choose not to. Going back to mask mandates to protect idiots from the consequences of their bad decisions only enables idiots to make worse decisions. That is good but these idiots will just say no worry I won't need treatment I am healthy and still not get the vaccine
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: This needs to happen, but as I've been saying, this isn't just about protecting idiots from themselves, at least not in my mind. It's about limiting the idiots' ability to serve as evolutionary reservoirs for the virus to perhaps mutate to a level that renders the vaccines significantly less effective or ultimately ineffective. Do what I suggested and watch the percentage of people getting vaxxed skyrocket. Start a vaccine passport program. Want to go to an SEC football game? Gotta be vaxxed. Airplane? Concert? Chuck E Cheese? Show me your vaccine passport. Vaccination rates will go to 90% in no time if instead of enabling stupidity we start punishing it.
July 25, 20215 yr So I found some data that the cdc reported from Jan to April 30th there were 10,000 breakthrough cases and then they stopped tracking the total and only focused on those requiring hospitalization or resulting in death. Because they know the breakthroughs aren’t serious, it’s a runny nose.
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Do what I suggested and watch the percentage of people getting vaxxed skyrocket. Start a vaccine passport program. Want to go to an SEC football game? Gotta be vaxxed. Airplane? Concert? Chuck E Cheese? Show me your vaccine passport. Vaccination rates will go to 90% in no time if instead of enabling stupidity we start punishing it. Buy a gun need a vaccine, Virus over
July 25, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Do what I suggested and watch the percentage of people getting vaxxed skyrocket. Start a vaccine passport program. Want to go to an SEC football game? Gotta be vaxxed. Airplane? Concert? Chuck E Cheese? Show me your vaccine passport. Vaccination rates will go to 90% in no time if instead of enabling stupidity we start punishing it. yup!!! And then Wait til these people figure out they are on a no fly list. Nope sorry you can’t go to Disney. Nope, you can’t come In to watch them cars go fast. Nope sorry, no Cheesecake Factory for you fatty.
July 25, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Buy a gun need a vaccine, Virus over They should also put the vaccine in all the vapes on the market. So the shithead millennials will get vaxxed
July 25, 20215 yr @we_gotta_believe I saw some rebukes about the NYU J&J vaccine study because it doesn't take into account T-cells. Curious what you thought about that.
July 26, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, Paul852 said: @we_gotta_believe I saw some rebukes about the NYU J&J vaccine study because it doesn't take into account T-cells. Curious what you thought about that. The NYU was a serology study, designed to only look at differing antibody response to the variants. It's absolutely true that antibodies are but one component of the larger overall immune response, which includes T-cells, memory B-cells, etc. Designing studies to directly assess antibody response is much easier than doing the same for T-cells, and also doesn't require the length of time for B-cell studies. And unfortunately, there aren't many real world studies completed yet that directly compare viral vector vaccines to mRNA ones when it comes to how they fare against delta, but of the ones that do, they seem to indicate the viral vector are less efficacious against it, though to what degree is probably up for debate. Also remember that there are differing criteria for efficacy (prevention of asymptomatic, symptomatic, and severe disease), so be sure to confirm which metric is being used by any given study or article.
July 26, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, DBW said: I haven’t seen anything that says the vaccine isn’t effective vs the variants. That was the whole point in how this vaccine was such a breakthrough design, wasn’t it? Vaccines are definitely less effective vs delta, but not by much, especially if you're only talking about prevention of severe disease.
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