1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Buy a gun need a vaccine, Virus over

They should also put the vaccine in all the vapes on the market.  So the shithead millennials will get vaxxed 

Good news for kids

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57766717

@we_gotta_believe I saw some rebukes about the NYU J&J vaccine study because it doesn't take into account T-cells. Curious what you thought about that.

2 hours ago, Paul852 said:

@we_gotta_believe I saw some rebukes about the NYU J&J vaccine study because it doesn't take into account T-cells. Curious what you thought about that.

The NYU was a serology study, designed to only look at differing antibody response to the variants. It's absolutely true that antibodies are but one component of the larger overall immune response, which includes T-cells, memory B-cells, etc. Designing studies to directly assess antibody response is much easier than doing the same for T-cells, and also doesn't require the length of time for B-cell studies. And unfortunately, there aren't many real world studies completed yet that directly compare viral vector vaccines to mRNA ones when it comes to how they fare against delta, but of the ones that do, they seem to indicate the viral vector are less efficacious against it, though to what degree is probably up for debate. Also remember that there are differing criteria for efficacy (prevention of asymptomatic, symptomatic, and severe disease), so be sure to confirm which metric is being used by any given study or article.

4 hours ago, DBW said:

I haven’t seen anything that says the vaccine isn’t effective vs the variants.  That was the whole point in how this vaccine was such a breakthrough design, wasn’t it?  

Vaccines are definitely less effective vs delta, but not by much, especially if you're only talking about prevention of severe disease.

3 hours ago, DBW said:

So I found some data that the cdc reported from Jan to April 30th there were 10,000 breakthrough cases and then they stopped tracking the total and only focused on those requiring hospitalization or resulting in death.  Because they know the breakthroughs aren’t serious, it’s a runny nose. 
 

 

The problem is, delta was just beginning to be seeded in April and May, so all these numbers during the time frame you quoted are against alpha, gamma, and the original wuhan strain. Delta is a whole new ball game now, and their decision to stop tracking breakthrough infections outside of hospitalizations is a puzzling one. Can't say I agree with that one from an epidemiological standpoint.

5 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Here is what is going to happen, this is not me just being negative, this is reality, unless the current administration finds a way to force the unvaxxed to get it the dems are done in 22 and Trump or desantis in 24, how does that sound. Going on mask roller coaster is just going to piss people off. They better find a solution soon.

lol no

 

4 hours ago, DBW said:

My wife and I just had this discussion. Our kids can get vaxxed.  I said just keep the schools safe and we can socially distance them where possible.  We’ve made it this far without them getting it.  
 

I am placing bets on another lockdown though.  I give it a month and we’ll be ordered to stay at home, vaxxed or not.  

lol no

23 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The NYU was a serology study, designed to only look at differing antibody response to the variants. It's absolutely true that antibodies are but one component of the larger overall immune response, which includes T-cells, memory B-cells, etc. Designing studies to directly assess antibody response is much easier than doing the same for T-cells, and also doesn't require the length of time for B-cell studies. And unfortunately, there aren't many real world studies completed yet that directly compare viral vector vaccines to mRNA ones when it comes to how they fare against delta, but of the ones that do, they seem to indicate the viral vector are less efficacious against it, though to what degree is probably up for debate. Also remember that there are differing criteria for efficacy (prevention of asymptomatic, symptomatic, and severe disease), so be sure to confirm which metric is being used by any given study or article.

Interesting. At the end of the day the simple answer is "We don't know for sure". It will be pretty obvious if J&J is failing at protecting against Delta. Early indications are that all are protecting against death but a larger percentage of J&J might be getting symptoms.

11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

This needs to happen, but as I've been saying, this isn't just about protecting idiots from themselves, at least not in my mind. It's about limiting the idiots' ability to serve as evolutionary reservoirs for the virus to perhaps mutate to a level that renders the vaccines significantly less effective or ultimately ineffective.

Getting people vaccinated is the only long term answer and as long as variants only produce mild symptoms then the entire focus should be on rolling out the jabs. 

57 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Getting people vaccinated is the only long term answer and as long as variants only produce mild symptoms then the entire focus should be on rolling out the jabs. 

And surely the virus being passed from vaccinated person to vaccinated person limits how it can vary?

21 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Govt and big pharma can't make any money on eating healthy, staying in shape, and being active, but F it's not difficult to look at the data and see who is dying. 

 

The trump card that big pharma is playing is everybody will die, what they're doing is reporting the cause of death as COVID-19 and I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion when they don't have a test to determine if someone has COVID-19......anyone who's researched the PCR test knows it's completely bogus.   

53 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

The trump card that big pharma is playing is everybody will die, what they're doing is reporting the cause of death as COVID-19 and I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion when they don't have a test to determine if someone has COVID-19......anyone who's researched the PCR test knows it's completely bogus.   

 

'Could It Work as a Cure? Maybe.' A Herbal Remedy for Coronavirus Is a Hit in Africa, But Experts Have Their Doubts

https://time.com/5840148/coronavirus-cure-covid-organic-madagascar/

tudents at the J.J. Rabearivelo High School in Antananarivo, Madagascar drink from bottles of Covid Organics, a herbal tea, touted by President Andry Rajoelina as a powerful remedy against the COVID-19 coronavirus, on April 23 2020

 

Let me guess, EagleVA - you have stock in herbal tea?

 

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

 

'Could It Work as a Cure? Maybe.' A Herbal Remedy for Coronavirus Is a Hit in Africa, But Experts Have Their Doubts

https://time.com/5840148/coronavirus-cure-covid-organic-madagascar/

tudents at the J.J. Rabearivelo High School in Antananarivo, Madagascar drink from bottles of Covid Organics, a herbal tea, touted by President Andry Rajoelina as a powerful remedy against the COVID-19 coronavirus, on April 23 2020

 

Let me guess, EagleVA - you have stock in herbal tea?

 

All  I can say is President Andry Rajoelina had better watch his back, they've alady killed 4 leaders from Africa behind not going along with the program.

COVID-19 could cause male infertility and sexual dysfunction – but vaccines do not

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-could-cause-male-120205354.html

I know you anti-vaxxer, anti-maskers are d-less, but maybe you still care about your vestigial phenis.

3 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

COVID-19 could cause male infertility and sexual dysfunction – but vaccines do not

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-could-cause-male-120205354.html

I know you anti-vaxxer, anti-maskers are d-less, but maybe you still care about your vestigial phenis.

About 4 years too late for me.

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Children in ALL grades (K-12) need the following immunizations for attendance:

• 4 doses of tetanus, diphtheria and acellular pertussis (1 dose on or after 4th birthday) (DTaP) 
• 4 doses of polio (4th dose on or after 4th birthday and at least 6 months after previous dose given) (IPV) 
• 2 doses of measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) 
• 3 doses of hepatitis B (Hep B) 
• 2 doses of varicella (chickenpox) or evidence of immunity (History of chickenpox or antibody titer) 

7th through 12th Grade ADDITIONAL immunization requirements for attendance:

 

• 1 dose of tetanus, diphtheria, acellular pertussis (Tdap) 
• 2 doses meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MCV4) 
  • First dose prior to entry into 7th grade 
  • A second dose is required at age 16 or prior to entry into 12th grade. If the student has already received the first dose after age 16, only one dose is required.

but employers & businesses requiring the covid vaccine is against mah constitutional rights!     

Just now, mr_hunt said:

but employers & businesses requiring the covid vaccine is against mah constitutional rights!     

I'm curious if these requirements have ever been challenged in court? I would guess that some well-heeled anti-vax moron paid for a lawsuit at some point, but I would hate for an outcome here to be that a highly motivated anti-vax movement challenges these immunization requirements and we end up as a society moving backwards because some of us don't deserve the advances that science has given us.

 

 

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm curious if these requirements have ever been challenged in court? I would guess that some well-heeled anti-vax moron paid for a lawsuit at some point, but I would hate for an outcome here to be that a highly motivated anti-vax movement challenges these immunization requirements and we end up as a society moving backwards because some of us don't deserve the advances that science has given us.

When we looked into mandating it for all employees, the grey area was the fact that it was under an EUA and not fully approved by the FDA. There was some thought that you couldn't mandate it until it was fully approved. 

Luckily, we employee non-imbeciles who all got vaccinated.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

When we looked into mandating it for all employees, the grey area was the fact that it was under an EUA and not fully approved by the FDA. There was some thought that you couldn't mandate it until it was fully approved. 

Luckily, we employee non-imbeciles who all got vaccinated.

Yeah, I read an article that said the biggest issue is the vaccines aren't FDA approved.

Anyone have any good articles on the Delta Variant vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalizations? 

Went to Chicago for work last week. Got a sore throat and runny nose after coming back. 99% sure it's just a summer cold, but getting a test later today to be sure. Maybe I can add to the breakthrough infections number.

If this is COVID, it's basically a cold with the vaccine.

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Anyone have any good articles on the Delta Variant vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalizations? 

I listened to part of Sam Harris' most recent podcast that touched on it.

One thing he pointed out that I should have seen myself is that these numbers coming out of Israel need to be understood against their population, among which the adult population is close to 90% vaccinated. So as effective as the vaccine is, when 90% are vaccinated the number of those who are vaccinated that will end up with (mild) cases is going to be high as a percentage.

Looking at US states where vaccination rates are around 50% (which includes places like Virginia, with other southern states lagging even that) the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated among the hospitalized and dead from COVID is overwhelming - 99% are unvaccinated.

Against the original variant, the vaccines are INCREDIBLY effective by historical standards, moreso than most vaccines in history. It's an AMAZING achievement. Remember that to qualify for EAU it had to be 50% effective - Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were north of 90%. And they're still very effective against Delta, even if there are still a few cases where an infection sets in (but it's almost always mild). 

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I listened to part of Sam Harris' most recent podcast that touched on it.

One thing he pointed out that I should have seen myself is that these numbers coming out of Israel need to be understood against their population, among which the adult population is close to 90% vaccinated. So as effective as the vaccine is, when 90% are vaccinated the number of those who are vaccinated that will end up with (mild) cases is going to be high as a percentage.

Looking at US states where vaccination rates are around 50% (which includes places like Virginia, with other southern states lagging even that) the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated among the hospitalized and dead from COVID is overwhelming - 99% are unvaccinated.

Against the original variant, the vaccines are INCREDIBLY effective by historical standards, moreso than most vaccines in history. It's an AMAZING achievement. Remember that to qualify for EAU it had to be 50% effective - Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were north of 90%. And they're still very effective against Delta, even if there are still a few cases where an infection sets in (but it's almost always mild). 

I posted about this topic and Israel several times in here over the last week. They are the key test case right now. I also listened to Sam”a podcast and it was quite interesting as is often the case with his material.