2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

80-something dementia patient

 

Just now, Toastrel said:

Do you folks smell that?

 

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Who cares? Biden literally just went against CDC guidance and he's an 80-something dementia patient who is at way higher risk. Maskless, indoors, surrounded by other maskless people:

This is why people instinctively resort to a dismissive wanking gesture every time the CDC tells them to do something. I'm sure you were about to make an angry post about Biden, right?

Can't argue that is extremely careless on his team's part and more ammo to never put on a mask again. 

We all gave Trump crap for not leading from the front and this is no different. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Can't argue that is extremely careless on his team's part and more ammo to never put on a mask again. 

We all gave Trump crap for not leading from the front and this is no different. 

 

meh....wearing a mask throws off uncle joe's sniff game.   

9 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

 

Sorry but that map is ridiculous. A place like Vermont for example is not high risk an neither are many areas of the country. There is no nuance to that thing

Logic...such a missing ingredient in today's political world:

 

17 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Who cares? Biden literally just went against CDC guidance and he's an 80-something dementia patient who is at way higher risk. Maskless, indoors, surrounded by other maskless people:

This is why people instinctively resort to a dismissive wanking gesture every time the CDC tells them to do something. I'm sure you were about to make an angry post about Biden, right?

 CDC Guidance does not say everyone should wear masks indoors at all locations. Do you understand that?

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Logic...such a missing ingredient in today's world:

 

Adjusted your post

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Logic...such a missing ingredient in today's political world:

 

That's why it's silly to only refer to vaccinated people as a percentage of new cases. An article stating "40% of new cases are of fully vaccinated people" lacks the context of whether that area is very high in vax compliance, and whether those case numbers are indicative of high levels of community spread regardless of vax status. Is it 40 out of 100 new cases for a country with 5 million people and 80% total vax compliance? Or 4,000 out of 10,000 new cases for a country of 5 million with 50% vax compliance? The difference between the two scenarios are worlds apart.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That's why it's silly to only refer to vaccinated people as a percentage of new cases. An article stating "40% of new cases are of fully vaccinated people" lacks the context of whether that area is very high in vax compliance, and whether those case numbers are indicative of high levels of community spread regardless of vax status. Is it 40 out of 100 new cases for a country with 5 million people and 80% total vax compliance? Or 4,000 out of 10,000 new cases for a country of 5 million with 50% vax compliance? The difference between the two scenarios are worlds apart.

On top of which, we need to ask -- how many of the cases are symptomatic? Serious? Resulting in hospitalization? As someone pointed out earlier, Israel is testing everyone basically to find every breakthrough infection. In places where the US is doing that (e.g., the Yankees), we are seeing asymptomatic breakthrough infections (i.e., people that likely wouldn't have otherwise been tested). 

But the key is -- are the vaccines preventing serious illness, hospitalization and deaths? The answer is resoundingly yes. The stats being used about X% of cases being in vaccinated people are ridiculous attempts to justify the stupidity of choosing not the be vaccinated. I wish the media were more responsible with these stats and put them in the proper context.

26 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

 

uhh, Australia is under lockdown right now and is way behind for vaccinations. No way they're "Low". 

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Logic...such a missing ingredient in today's political world:

 

It's not "missed", it's purposely obscured or ignored. Politicians and pundits will always push forth whatever subset of information supports their narrative and omit any that do not.

See: our resident troll. 

You always have to dig into and get the full set of numbers in context.

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

uhh, Australia is under lockdown right now and is way behind for vaccinations. No way they're "Low". 

Ignore that nonsensical map

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

On top of which, we need to ask -- how many of the cases are symptomatic? Serious? Resulting in hospitalization? As someone pointed out earlier, Israel is testing everyone basically to find every breakthrough infection. In places where the US is doing that (e.g., the Yankees), we are seeing asymptomatic breakthrough infections (i.e., people that likely wouldn't have otherwise been tested). 

But the key is -- are the vaccines preventing serious illness, hospitalization and deaths? The answer is resoundingly yes. The stats being used about X% of cases being in vaccinated people are ridiculous attempts to justify the stupidity of choosing not the be vaccinated. I wish the media were more responsible with these stats and put them in the proper context.

It also speaks to a critical difference of scope. When tracking breakthrough infections, a mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic case is of little clinical relevance. If you're trying to determine when hospitals of a given area may reach capacity, you don't really care about mild or asymptomatic disease. But from an epidemiological standpoint, tracking severity is of less relevance when trying to determine levels of community spread. If you're trying to predict how fast the virus might be spreading in a given area, then you need all the data you can get regarding all cases where a person has tested positive, regardless of disease severity.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

On top of which, we need to ask -- how many of the cases are symptomatic? Serious? Resulting in hospitalization? As someone pointed out earlier, Israel is testing everyone basically to find every breakthrough infection. In places where the US is doing that (e.g., the Yankees), we are seeing asymptomatic breakthrough infections (i.e., people that likely wouldn't have otherwise been tested). 

But the key is -- are the vaccines preventing serious illness, hospitalization and deaths? The answer is resoundingly yes. The stats being used about X% of cases being in vaccinated people are ridiculous attempts to justify the stupidity of choosing not the be vaccinated. I wish the media were more responsible with these stats and put them in the proper context.

in past waves case numbers were early indicators for a hospitalization and death wave. the encouraging thing about places like Israel (and their ~90% vaccination rate) is their hospitalization rates have only gone up a small amount and their death rates are basically zero (< 2 persons / day) weeks after this surge in cases started, and that's VERY encouraging.

And just like that Kz became a Colts fan

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

And just like that Kz became a Colts fan

The fact he has mask on answers the question

9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

And just like that Kz became a Colts fan

If last year taught us anything it's that Wentz makes very bad decisions.

6 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

If last year taught us anything it's that Wentz makes very bad decisions.

Someone needs to make a gif of him being surrounded and then sacked by Covid-19 viruses

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Someone needs to make a gif of him being sacked by Covid-19 viruses

Or throwing the ball to COVID in the end zone while running out of bounds as if it was 4th down even though it was only 2nd & 10.

1 hour ago, paco said:

One of these days you will have to post pics of your lab that you do all your research in.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/565191-gottlieb-us-will-be-through-delta-wave-in-2-or-3-weeks?amp

Phillies game just postponed for tonight due to COVID

39 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

And just like that Kz became a Colts fan

Ugh, this is disappointing.

10 minutes ago, barho said:

Phillies game just postponed for tonight due to COVID

Nats are over the 85% so even though the outbreak is among them because the Phillies are not the game has to be postponed, I believe that is how it works.

Tonight I can watch my backlog of por....nature videos

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ugh, this is disappointing.

This dope will cost the Eagles a 1st rounder

I don't mean to get SyFy but

Say it was December 2019(don't remember when the thread was made while the virus was still in China and we were getting those leaked pics and videos) and someone from the future(lets say July 2021) was warning everyone about the virus. They brought up the hand sanitizer shortage, the mask shortage and the nurses sad stories, people in hospitals not being able to see loved ones, businesses closing and shutting down, lots of people dying and even conspiracy theories on the number of dead are always brought up. They mention how there's a large portion of people that don't believe it's that bad and wont get the vaccine. They also bring up how there's now variants of the virus and possibility of having to get booster shots

They also brought up how some businesses found that they can do work at home, how states and businesses ended up giving incentives for people to get a vaccine, rent/loans/bills were put on pause

They just break down everything that happened. Would you believe them or cast them off as crazy. Try not to use hindsight

I was just thinking about all the stuff that's happened and it's pretty wow when you look back on it